First GTX 670 review(s) up (tt & oc.net) * TT OC review added*

[toyota]

Wrong. Even without aa it is a sub 10% diff. With big aa it is 5-7% diff, id both are at stock. I'd both are Oced they tie. If both are Oced 7970 wins 1600p

the gtx680 does BETTER with AA not worse.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

In techpowup it is just 5% faster. So varies with each website

 

[Zebo]

Well we can argue all day about prices, $20-$50 here and there, but I think we can all agree prices will come down and that's good for us. Hope a real price war starts but that will probably have to wait for the Big Kepler to push all these cards out now down 25-50%.

 

[toyota]

In techpowup it is just 5% faster. So varies with each website

its still higher than 5% there too. and there is less of a difference between any card on their summaries because they use some non demanding games or even some that are a bit cpu limited.

but you do need to realize that the gtx680 is actually faster with AA not slower.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Wasn't talking about 1600p and OC. Take a look:

That chart would be more accurate if Hardware Canucks tested more games and if the somewhat limited collection they have less were NVIDIA-biased. This is a more accurate reflection of their performance, using very recent drivers:

132/122=8%. The GTX 680 is ~8% faster than the HD 7970.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Well we can argue all day about prices, $20-$50 here and there, but I think we can all agree prices will come down and that's good for us. Hope a real price war starts but that will probably have to wait for the Big Kepler to push all these cards out now down 25-50%.

I don't see that launching until Q4 or Q1 2013, in all honesty. When it does launch, it will introduce the new GeForce 700 series. AMD will probably launch Sea Islands, which will introduce the HD 8000 series, in around that time frame.

 

[Crap Daddy]

In techpowup it is just 5% faster. So varies with each website

You are right. I'm not gonna argue. What I was trying to say is that like in the last generation the second NV card will trade blows with top AMD (570/6970). Unfortunately this time around then price for the 670 will not be $350 but $400 thanks to AMDs bold pricing on their 7000 series. But I'm sure things will settle down the road and AMD will eventually get their prices right and become competitive again (that is if NV can supply enough parts)

 

[aaksheytalwar]

8% at 1080p but only 3% at 1600p. And these are at stock, considering scaling at 1600p an Oced 7970 will beat an Oced 680

And let 670 official reviews to come out at least

 

[RussianSensation]

I wonder why NV got shut out of the next-gen console market, though. They can't be THAT hard to work with, despite their rep, can they?

I think MS and NV had a falling out over pricing. Also, MS probably wanted to retain backwards compatibility to continuing with AMD was natural.

Sony is going with A8-3850/3870 for CPU for PS4. I bet AMD gave them a package deal for AMD CPU + GPU that they couldn't refuse. Also, after massive losses on Xbox360 and PS3 hardware, it looks like MS and Sony are adopting Nintendo's way to actually make $ off the hardware too. So even if Kepler was the better way to go for consoles for performance/watt, I doubt they would have considered it. The next generation of consoles thus far looks gimped on the GPU side. We'll see but I am not hopeful. HD6670 is a joke.

What if amd can't afford to make enough by selling 7950s fr $300? They would rather release a Oced sky and sell fr more

That's probably what AMD is going to want to do considering they are "predators" now.

AMD gives the 7970 a boost

"AMD Decide the GTX 680 doesn't deserve a crown, and aim to take it back.

That's right, AMD are going to boost their reference core clock from 925MHz to 1GHz in order to contend for the single GPU crown. Of course there are already cards shipping with around 1050MHz core clock, and those cards are indeed faster than a reference GTX 680 in some tests, though AMD prefer to make things official.

The cards will launch as "GHz Edition" cards, the same as on their 7870 range of GPUs currently. Most vendors are expected to pick up the range, especially those who typically stick to reference board and cooler design, such as Sapphire and HIS.

When questioned as to why AMD were launching a GHz edition now, and didn't originally, they explained that yields are now better, their average voltage required to hit 925MHz is much lower than it was on early ES revisions, and most chips are happily hitting 1250MHz now. It's time to let the GPU stretch its legs a little as yields improve."

Let's hope HD7970 OC edition is much faster than 1 Ghz though. 1100-1150mhz would be nice.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

1150 would be great

 

[blastingcap]

Sony is going with A8-3850/3870 for CPU for PS4.

First I heard about this, but I don't pay much attention to console rumors. Seems like it's making the rounds in the rumor mill. Sad if true, but then I was expecting BOTH xbox and ps to have ~HD6770 level GPUs (when coding for the metal, not Direct3D API) so this is in keeping with that.

 

[Zebo]

1 Ghz isnt enough is it? 1100 should do it. Or 1 Ghz baseline with a 1.1 turbo feature.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

A8 is still a lot faster than their current CPU I guess

 

[aaksheytalwar]

1 Ghz isnt enough is it? 1100 should do it. Or 1 Ghz baseline with a 1.1 turbo feature.

Too late for a turbo feature

 

[blastingcap]

A8 is still a lot faster than their current CPU I guess

We were talking about GPU performance.

 

[Lepton87]

its still higher than 5% there too. and there is less of a difference between any card on their summaries because they use some non demanding games or even some that are a bit cpu limited.

but you do need to realize that the gtx680 is actually faster with AA not slower.

This is not true. Hardware coconuts results disagree with every other site on the web.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...eforce-gtx-690/4/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf

this comparison puts 680 at 4% faster without AA and 1% faster with AA at 2560x1600

1 Ghz isnt enough is it? 1100 should do it. Or 1 Ghz baseline with a 1.1 turbo feature.

overall? probably not but it is enough to match GTX680 at 2560x1600(1440)

 

[Tempered81]

Hardware coconuts

Lol, best quote ever. You shoulda seen when GTX 480 came out and XS guy did a chart of like 25 reviews, Coconuts had the highest lead for the 480 versus 5870 out of 25 review sites.

 

[tviceman]

I think MS and NV had a falling out over pricing. Also, MS probably wanted to retain backwards compatibility to continuing with AMD was natural.

Sony is going with A8-3850/3870 for CPU for PS4. I bet AMD gave them a package deal for AMD CPU + GPU that they couldn't refuse. Also, after massive losses on Xbox360 and PS3 hardware, it looks like MS and Sony are adopting Nintendo's way to actually make $ off the hardware too. So even if Kepler was the better way to go for consoles for performance/watt, I doubt they would have considered it. The next generation of consoles thus far looks gimped on the GPU side. We'll see but I am not hopeful. HD6670 is a joke.



That's probably what AMD is going to want to do considering they are "predators" now.

AMD gives the 7970 a boost

"AMD Decide the GTX 680 doesn't deserve a crown, and aim to take it back.

That's right, AMD are going to boost their reference core clock from 925MHz to 1GHz in order to contend for the single GPU crown. Of course there are already cards shipping with around 1050MHz core clock, and those cards are indeed faster than a reference GTX 680 in some tests, though AMD prefer to make things official.

The cards will launch as "GHz Edition" cards, the same as on their 7870 range of GPUs currently. Most vendors are expected to pick up the range, especially those who typically stick to reference board and cooler design, such as Sapphire and HIS.

When questioned as to why AMD were launching a GHz edition now, and didn't originally, they explained that yields are now better, their average voltage required to hit 925MHz is much lower than it was on early ES revisions, and most chips are happily hitting 1250MHz now. It's time to let the GPU stretch its legs a little as yields improve."

Let's hope HD7970 OC edition is much faster than 1 Ghz though. 1100-1150mhz would be nice.

1000mhz will end up about equal to the gtx680 (maybe the hd7970 will be a little slower for the ultra nit-pickers). From there, it will be down to the driver teams future revisions. Wanna guess which side I'll place my bets on to win that race?

 

[blastingcap]

1000mhz will end up about equal to the gtx680 (maybe a little slower for the ultra nit-pickers). From there, it will be down to the driver teams future revisions. Wanna guess which side I'll place my bets on to win that race?

Matrox

 

[3DVagabond]

this makes a lot of sense from the business perspective. It feeds the fanboys. Instead of saying "wait until Nvidia's card launches, it might be better", they can say "wait for Nvidia's launch before deciding, because for the last 5 years, their card, though later, has been 20% faster".

Has this all of a sudden made the 680 faster than what it was? The 680 and 7970 trade blows when at the same clocks. nVidia's cards aren't now faster because the 670 trades blows as well. We need to calm down and not just start spouting fud because we're excited. 20% faster for the last 5 years? Come on now.

I too find it curious that the 670 and 680 are so close in performance. It could be because of bandwidth limits. (This is just a possibility. Nobody get offended, please.) It could also be because of poorly optimized drivers and the 680 will get faster when some better drivers come out.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Has this all of a sudden made the 680 faster than what it was? The 680 and 7970 trade blows when at the same clocks. nVidia's cards aren't now faster because the 670 trades blows as well. We need to calm down and not just start spouting fud because we're excited. 20% faster for the last 5 years? Come on now.

I too find it curious that the 670 and 680 are so close in performance. It could be because of bandwidth limits. (This is just a possibility. Nobody get offended, please.) It could also be because of poorly optimized drivers and the 680 will get faster when some better drivers come out.

Very unlikely because they are based on the same GPU (GK104). This could be true if it were a GK106 card, but because it's based on the same GPU the chances of that are very slim.

 

[tviceman]

matrox

glide.

 

[blastingcap]

glide.

You mean 3dfx but that's okay, you win.

 

[skipsneeky2]

You mean 3dfx but that's okay, you win.

Maxtor for the win:thumbsup:

 

[railven]

Sometimes going through these threads is a chore...

GTX 670 looks nice, if they can make a smaller unit (ie not the hanging HSF) and keep it relatively cool I got a few PCs I can switch to it.

Is the price going to be $400 or more towards the $420 point? I think I can swing $50 for my friend to up his price cap to $400...which I'd do for such a great performing card.

AMD lost another round - bad.