First GTX 670 review(s) up (tt & oc.net) * TT OC review added*

[Zebo]

I look on newegg and I see double digit selections for all of AMD's cards, sitting there building up eDust. I don't think AMD is any longer supply constrained. They have been meeting / exceeding demand for sometime now. If I were AMD, I would not have intro'd the hd7970 at such a high price, nor would I have taken as long as AMD has taken to react to Nvidia's products (and upcoming products). But then again, unlike AMD I think I would like selling my stuff and beating my competition not only to the market, but into paying customer's hands as well.

There is nothing quite like having a 1 mile head start in a 5 mile race, but then literally shooting yourself in the foot at the second mile.

I would have bought a 7870 if it were $299 and I NEVER buy AMD. I really think they shot themselves in foot with rape pricing.

Not only missed a lot of sales they could have had and people said "nah I'll wait to see what nvidia brings, they also generated a lot of bad blood.

I was a AMD processor fanatic only owned them until conroe came. But after rape they did with $450 entry point to dual core Athlon 64 back in the day, I bought one, but it made it easy to switch to intel when Conroe came because I held no allegiance at that point. People won't forget this either.

 

[toyota]

The 285 was slower then a 5770? Really?

I thought 260 = 5770

yes overall even the gtx260 was a little faster than a 5770.

 

[Silverforce11]

You know I bet AMD thought "NV has been raping consumers all these years, why can't we???"

And they have. Until the competition force a price drop, they will continue to do so.

 

[Zebo]

You know I bet AMD thought "NV has been raping consumers all these years, why can't we???"

And they have. Until the competition force a price drop, they will continue to do so.

AMD did really well with 58's and should have continued tradition and gain market share/mind share when they had opportunity with 79s and 78s. I think they squandered it due to charging almost TWICE as much as last generations equivalents.

AMD is not nVidia, yet. But could be if they thought past 1 quarter results.

 

[SirPauly]

You know I bet AMD thought "NV has been raping consumers all these years, why can't we???"

And they have. Until the competition force a price drop, they will continue to do so.

Possibly but probably higher product and material costs, possibly yields and constraints, market and competition ramifications and being more of a predator and aggressor -- why leave revenue and margins on the table? They executed first why not maximize revenue?

The only nit-pick was they softened their commitment to their sweet spot strategy, while banging those drums for many years. And the strong defense of premium pricing to such extreme levels that this sweet spot strategy never really existed for many, many years.

 

[SickBeast]

SB do u think u should have waited?

For the GTX 470? No, because it's outside of my budget and I *had* to buy something given the fact that my GTX 460 was dead.

That said, I really believe that the 7850 was meant to be a $150 card and I don't think it will be long before it's sold at that price.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

I don't agree with $150. You want 580 oc Or 7950 stock performance for $150? NO. $250 is perfect for it, maybe $200 a few months down the line. The 7870 could be $300 or so

 

[Jaydip]

For the GTX 470? No, because it's outside of my budget and I *had* to buy something given the fact that my GTX 460 was dead.

That said, I really believe that the 7850 was meant to be a $150 card and I don't think it will be long before it's sold at that price.

Thats Balla's territory i meant 670
I am glad ur 7850 is living up to ur expectations :thumbsup:

 

[Silverforce11]

That said, I really believe that the 7850 was meant to be a $150 card and I don't think it will be long before it's sold at that price.

NV's "low-end disguised as mid-range" gk106 isn't due anytime soon.

 

[SirPauly]

AMD did really well with 58's and should have continued tradition and gain market share/mind share when they had opportunity with 79s and 78s. I think they squandered it due to charging almost TWICE as much as last generations equivalents.

AMD is not nVidia, yet. But could be if they thought past 1 quarter results.

AMD actually did over-take nVidia in discrete leadership over-all with the 5XXX series for a quarter.

 

[Jaydip]

NV's "low-end disguised as mid-range" gk106 isn't due anytime soon.

Who cares if it can deliver?

 

[tigersty1e]

The review is not loading pictures for me.

anybody else?

 

[SickBeast]

The review is not loading pictures for me.

anybody else?

They said that there were no pics for some reason.

 

[SickBeast]

Thats Balla's territory i meant 670
I am glad ur 7850 is living up to ur expectations :thumbsup:

Yeah I meant the 670.

And yes, it's living up to expectations with the aftermarket cooling. At stock I was quite disappointed actually.

 

[Jaydip]

They said that there were no pics for some reason.

Someone has already posted all the charts couple of pages back.

 

[Zebo]

For the GTX 470? No, because it's outside of my budget and I *had* to buy something given the fact that my GTX 460 was dead.

That said, I really believe that the 7850 was meant to be a $150 card and I don't think it will be long before it's sold at that price.

Thats close to where it should have been all along if AMD is interested in market share.

nVida gained market share and repeat customers by being less and faster than competition. That market share is most important thing a company can have because next purchase is likely to be from same maker assuming no glaring issues. It's what allows nvidia to charge $1200 for 690 and people love it.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

AMD did really well with 58's and should have continued tradition and gain market share/mind share when they had opportunity with 79s and 78s. I think they squandered it due to charging almost TWICE as much as last generations equivalents.

AMD is not nVidia, yet. But could be if they thought past 1 quarter results.

AMD pricing the HD 5800 as they did meant they made next to no money on it. They were basically giving them away because at the time they had no competition from NVIDIA yet they decided to price very low.

Obviously, it seems they learned their lesson. That doesn't mean we won't be able to get Enthusiast and Performance cards at low prices, just that we'll have to wait. If the HD 7950 dips to $300 this year it'll be a great buy, and considering the $400 GTX 670 is the same speed as the $480 HD 7970 AMD will HAVE to make further price cuts. I foresee the HD 7970 at $400 by the end of this month and the HD 7950 at $350. The HD 7870 will also need a price cut, so expect that card at $270-300. The HD 7850 will also need a price cut, probably putting it at $220-240.

I'm calling it: this month we're gonna get a huge round of price cuts.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

What if amd can't afford to make enough by selling 7950s fr $300? They would rather release a Oced sky and sell fr more

 

[SirPauly]

NV's "low-end disguised as mid-range" gk106 isn't due anytime soon.

Probably due to constraints and one may just place really good and may be the most popular GTX 560 TI and GTX 560 products for more affordable pricing 'till 28nm is less constrained.

 

[SickBeast]

Thats close to where it should have been all along if AMD is interested in market share.

nVida gained market share and repeat customers by being less and faster than competition. That market share is most important thing a company can have because next purchase is likely to be from same maker assuming no glaring issues. It's what allows nvidia to charge $1200 for 690 and people love it.

Well, I think $199 would have been a great initial price for the card. I'm sure it's selling well at $249, though. I'm relatively happy with it; I paid $230 for mine but like I said, I *had* to buy something. Given the choice, I would have waited.

I still say within 6-12 months this card will be $149 guaranteed.

 

[Jaydip]

AMD pricing the HD 5800 as they did meant they made next to no money on it. They were basically giving them away because at the time they had no competition from NVIDIA yet they decided to price very low.

Obviously, it seems they learned their lesson. That doesn't mean we won't be able to get Enthusiast and Performance cards at low prices, just that we'll have to wait. If the HD 7950 dips to $300 this year it'll be a great buy, and considering the $400 GTX 670 is the same speed as the $480 HD 7970 AMD will HAVE to make further price cuts. I foresee the HD 7970 at $400 by the end of this month and the HD 7950 at $350. The HD 7870 will also need a price cut, so expect that card at $270-300. The HD 7850 will also need a price cut, probably putting it at $220-240.

I'm calling it: this month we're gonna get a huge round of price cuts.

The 3 GB 7970 will stay at its place,we will probably see a 399$ 1.5 GB 7970 soon.

 

[Zebo]

AMD actually did over-take nVidia in discrete leadership over-all with the 5XXX series for a quarter.

I know due to killer pricing on the fastest card. I bet many of the 79xx buyers came off 58s. But I don't think they gained many new conscripts with 79xx pricing. It's like they took two steps forward one step back.

 

[SirPauly]

AMD pricing the HD 5800 as they did meant they made next to no money on it.

The 5XXX series made more money at times then what AMD made with the 7XXX series charging premiums.

 

[Subyman]

Hmmm 670 doesn't make sense. It is literally only 5% slower than the 680. I wonder if this will play out after the NDA goes up. It is pointless to get a 680 if this review is true.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

They can't work at break even forever, can they?