Fermi's already have significant price drops

[GaiaHunter]

Apparently the June Steam Survey data suffered some alterations from yesterday to today, most noticeable DX 11 went down from 7.81% to 7.55%, 5800 series went down 2% and GTX 470 and 480 went up 0.3% and 0.8%.

With the new data present the 5800 vs 480+470 difference went from 75-25 to 55-45. This data is more consistent with last month, where it was 45-55 in favour of NVIDIA (or at least the data of du jour I used).

I thought Steam gathered data from a full month an then publicized results. Apparently it is subject to revisions.

Now I'm curious to know for how long the data that was displayed yesterday has been there for and if that June data is final.

 

[Grooveriding]

I agree as well. I passed over the 5870 and was waiting for the 480 to see if upgrading this generation would be worthwhile. In general, I buy the fastest single-GPU card of each generation I adopt. When the 480 came out I saw that I would have to upgrade my PSU in order to run one. No thanks. Add the price of a good PSU onto a 480 and my wallet snaps firmly shut. A new PSU generally goes in with a new build.

Given the extra investment required, a 480 would have to be at parity with or cheaper than a 5870 to make it worthwhile.

All things considered I doubt we will see the 480 on an equal price footing with a 5870, it just does not compute. The 480 has a bit more performance, and justifies a higher price tag, it has more memory as well.

That said, I could see the 480 dropping to $400 and the 5870 having to drop it's price to remain competitive. A $350 5870 and $400 480 would be very nice to see.

I went from 5870 CF to 480 SLI recently, it cost me $80 after selling my 5870s and getting a great deal on the 480s. At that price I couldn't refuse.

I still maintain the 480 is only a good card if you are using two, as scaling in SLI is really nice, and there are situations at 2560x1600 where the 5870 runs out of VRAM, and you're better off getting a card with more memory.

In a single card config, I just don't see the 480 as a good buy at all, the performance over a 5870 is negligible and it costs $100 more.

I think nvidia is going to try to pull off an 8800GT with the upcoming 460. A card that provides nice performance for a cheap price. They need something on the market that is actually going to move in quantity.

 

[wirednuts]

yawn...wake me up when 5850 or the nv equivalent is $150.

word. i thought the 5850 was going to hit 200 dollars last xmas!! im not sure about this "prices are going down" idea... a few percent less means nothing when its all overpriced to begin with. clearly though, amd absolutely SMOKED nvidia this time around. good for them! now just for that sub $200 5850.....

 

[Hauk]

I went from 5870 CF to 480 SLI recently, it cost me $80 after selling my 5870s and getting a great deal on the 480s. At that price I couldn't refuse.

The Corsair HX1000 does well? It's been great for me, currently w/ 470 SLI. You run the 480's with any space between, or next to each other?

 

[GaiaHunter]

All things considered I doubt we will see the 480 on an equal price footing with a 5870, it just does not compute. The 480 has a bit more performance, and justifies a higher price tag, it has more memory as well.

That said, I could see the 480 dropping to $400 and the 5870 having to drop it's price to remain competitive. A $350 5870 and $400 480 would be very nice to see.

I went from 5870 CF to 480 SLI recently, it cost me $80 after selling my 5870s and getting a great deal on the 480s. At that price I couldn't refuse.

I still maintain the 480 is only a good card if you are using two, as scaling in SLI is really nice, and there are situations at 2560x1600 where the 5870 runs out of VRAM, and you're better off getting a card with more memory.

In a single card config, I just don't see the 480 as a good buy at all, the performance over a 5870 is negligible and it costs $100 more.

I think nvidia is going to try to pull of an 8800GT with the upcoming 460. A card that provides nice performance for a cheap price. They need something on the market that is actually going to move in quantity.

What are you feelings about noise, temperature (and environment temperature change) and power consumption of the GTX 480 pair opposed to the 5870?

I'm not sure how much pressure NVIDIA can achieve though - the GTX 460 should still be bigger than cypress.

 

[Grooveriding]

The Corsair HX1000 does well? It's been great for me, currently w/ 470 SLI. You run the 480's with any space between, or next to each other?

Yes the power supply is fine, I've also overclocked the cards to 800/2000, but was able to do that without a voltage adjustment which may have affected things. Because the HX1000 is two 500W supplies slapped together, I made sure to put each card on a separate rail.

I run the cards with a space in between, my 5870s were side by side, but these cards get a lot hotter and I'm not comfortable putting them next to each other.

 

[Grooveriding]

What are you feelings about noise, temperature (and environment temperature change) and power consumption of the GTX 480 pair opposed to the 5870?

I'm not sure how much pressure NVIDIA can achieve though - the GTX 460 should still be bigger than cypress.

I don't have a means to measure power draw. They're a good 15 degrees hotter under load than the 5870s, the main card idles at about 65 because I use two monitors, the 2nd is around 45 or so idling, which is where my 5870s idled at.

They're definitely louder once the fans are going, and a fair deal hotter, when I game I can feel the air around me raising in temperature and after an hour or so, I'd say I feel hot, sitting in an air-conditioned room

They're stable though and in the games where there is a difference between this setup and the 5870s it's a nice difference.

 

[GaiaHunter]

I don't have a means to measure power draw. They're a good 15 degrees hotter under load than the 5870s, the main card idles at about 65 because I use two monitors, the 2nd is around 45 or so idling, which is where my 5870s idled at.

They're definitely louder once the fans are going, and a fair deal hotter, when I game I can feel the air around me raising in temperature and after an hour or so, I'd say I feel hot, sitting in an air-conditioned room

They're stable though and in the games where there is a difference between this setup and the 5870s it's a nice difference.

Thanks for the opinion mate. :thumbsup:

 

[Scali]

I thought Steam gathered data from a full month an then publicized results. Apparently it is subject to revisions.

Yea, I've seen it before... they seem to jump the gun sometimes.
I've seen months where some data was not updated, so you were still looking at last month's data.
I've also seen them publish something, then pull it offline again, to reappear at a later time.

But after a few days it should have 'stabilized'.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Yea, I've seen it before... they seem to jump the gun sometimes.
I've seen months where some data was not updated, so you were still looking at last month's data.
I've also seen them publish something, then pull it offline again, to reappear at a later time.

But after a few days it should have 'stabilized'.

Cool.

I've never spent much time analysing it so I've never noticed stuff changing after it was published - look at the gigantic differences. What could be the reasons? Human error, wrong data, some kind of correction algorithm related to the way steam surveys in the first place?

I guess it is just another pointer that Steam survey is far from being reliable - maybe reliable enough to see what is popular with gamers and not much more

 

[Scali]

What could be the reasons? Human error, wrong data, some kind of correction algorithm related to the way steam surveys in the first place?

My guess is human error.

I guess it is just another pointer that Steam survey is far from being reliable - maybe reliable enough to see what is popular with gamers and not much more

I think Steam Survey is very reliable (aside from these 'human errors' at times), but you need to take it for what it is, and nothing more: A survey of Steam users who opted-in to take part in the survey for that month.

In that sense, I think it's a very valuable tool. Gamers are pretty much my 'target demographic' for the D3D/OpenGL code that I develop. I use Steam Survey to determine trends such as x64 OS usage, DX11, get an idea of what the 'average' performance level of their PCs/videocards is etc.
It allows me to make more informed choices on what to support and what not to support. Eg, can I get away with compiling my code with SSE2 optimizations, or would that break too many PCs? Can I drop support for XP, DX9, 32-bit anytime soon? Etc.
It's good to see that Windows 7 is so popular on Steam, and that the x64 edition is the predominant choice.
The less I need to support, the better, so I can't wait for XP, DX9 and 32-bit to become statistically irrelevant.

 

[Pantalaimon]

I think one of the reasons why there's been some significant changes in the Steam data is because of the addition of Macs.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I think one of the reasons why there's been some significant changes in the Steam data is because of the addition of Macs.

Good thinkin :thumbsup:

 

[TeknoBug]

dude what the actual hell? you bumped an 8 year old thread...

 

[pandemonium]

Necro smells fishy.

 

[Maximilian]

Wow its been 8 years since the Nvida housefires.... how things have changed