Fermi to have bigger launch than hd5800

[waffleironhead]

If you know any hidden amd employees here, please share! Than we can compare strategies and personalities.

He cant call anyone out without proof, so he just spreads fud. :thumbsdown:

 

[yh125d]

Two FUD sites spreading opposing information proves neither wrong. Grow up people :\


And for whoever asked why some people find it easier to believe the rumors that overall fermi will be in short numbers, underwhelming, hot, and comparitively expensive, it's because it makes logical sense. It's hard to look at fermi with all the "information" we have (all rumors at best), being so late, JHH saying something along the lines of production only ramping up next month, and still be optimistic about it.

 

[at80eighty]

Christ - some of you people are nuts

1) Im glad Nvidia is possibly releasing a sizable quantity, that spurs ATI too - the 5990 is declared & prices on others may go down

2) You guys are being needlessly harsh on Keys - I goddamn hate the Nvidia trolls like Wreckage & Lonberg, but Keys hasnt posted in that manner. ever. so be civil

3) that said Keys - saying there are hidden focus groups without backing it up only fuels things - as a mod, you are expected to think ahead on your posts more than anyone else since youre setting the example


meh - people, they are just fucking video cards. I dont get the vitriol

 

[TemjinGold]

Christ - some of you people are nuts

1) Im glad Nvidia is possibly releasing a sizable quantity, that spurs ATI too - the 5990 is declared & prices on others may go down

2) You guys are being needlessly harsh on Keys - I goddamn hate the Nvidia trolls like Wreckage & Lonberg, but Keys hasnt posted in that manner. ever. so be civil

3) that said Keys - saying there are hidden focus groups without backing it up only fuels things - as a mod, you are expected to think ahead on your posts more than anyone else since youre setting the example


meh - people, they are just fucking video cards. I dont get the vitriol

Sounds kinky...

 

[happy medium]

Waitaminute. Did you just say "dear leader"? I don't know if that was a slip or not, but I know only one other person who uses that phrase. Anyone else want to fill in this blank?

And nice sig BTW. I see you joined the forum with an agenda. That's been going on a lot lately.

Ok, so, do you know how many 5xxx boards has ATI shipped since it's launch to date?

T2k? or some other troll?

 

[tvdang7]

well they had 6 months to save all the good chips . So they better have more at launch.

 

[OCGuy]

A thread with a positive outlook for Fermi brings so much nerd-rage from the red crowd.

 

[at80eighty]

Sounds kinky...

well I do take my MPC-Home Cinema GPU-accelerated porn pretty seriously!

 

[Kuzi]

A thread with a positive outlook for Fermi brings so much nerd-rage from the red crowd.

Or a positive Fermi release will mean cheaper ATI cards for some of us

I always go with the card that offers the best price/performance. Since mid 2008, ATI was the best choice for my needs, somehow I don't think Fermi will change any of that.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Don't be so hard on Keys.

Without him, Rollo might come back.





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[Stoneburner]

I think the INQ started calling Huang "Dear Leader" before charlie did, and after charlie left inq.

 

[yh125d]

A thread with a positive outlook for Fermi brings so much nerd-rage from the red crowd.

A thread with a FUD site talking about a positive outlook for Fermi gets the fanboys so damn excited, but threads with charlie's FUD site are nonsense babblery


You're not fooling anybody :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

 

[OCGuy]

A thread with a FUD site talking about a positive outlook for Fermi gets the fanboys so damn excited, but threads with charlie's FUD site are nonsense babblery


You're not fooling anybody :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

Are you saying I'm broke and cant be fixed?

 

[Genx87]

A thread with a FUD site talking about a positive outlook for Fermi gets the fanboys so damn excited, but threads with charlie's FUD site are nonsense babblery


You're not fooling anybody :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

Who cares. Go find something more important to worry yourself about.

 

[bryanW1995]

We shall see. I think they will have plenty of cards in April, it's May I'm worried about.

I hope they crank out 100,000 so I can get a high end card a little cheaper.

Edit: In a crazy sort of way we ALL should be pulling for a fast Fermi so we can have some good old competition and some decent prices for a change. I just looked on newegg and the cheapest 5850 is 315$ and the cheapest 5870 is up to 427$. That totally sucks for all of us.

Just like when 2900 launched and 8xxx card prices went back up...

btw, if amd has a "focus group"-type organization then I'd sure like to know about it. hell, I'll sign up for both focus groups just to, um, er, "test" the cards against each other...hmmm, this could be a good plan... I could even be a double agent, you know, take amd's money and offer to badmouth nvidia, then take more of nvidia's money. I could play this game for years!!

 

[Seero]

Or a positive Fermi release will mean cheaper ATI cards for some of us

I always go with the card that offers the best price/performance. Since mid 2008, ATI was the best choice for my needs, somehow I don't think Fermi will change any of that.

The term "best price/performance" is subjective when you are comparing orange to apple. As of now, Fermi series does everything that the evergreen series can do, but not the other way around. To be specific, Fermi series can handle PhysX for physics, and 3d vision for 3d. It is clear that Fermi series should be more expensive than the evergeen series even if they are running at the exact same speed on everything else. If you simply say "ATI offers the best price/performance since mid 2008," then clearly, you have been missing alot in the pass 2 years.

Having said that, ATI did offer cheaper cards that does most of the key things compare to Nvidia, given that 3D is expensive (OMG 499 for a 22" monitor!?! OMG 699-999 for the combo!?!) and PhysX really haven't been fully, not even half utilized, it is not a dump choice to go for ATI. Seriously, 100 bucks more for flying papers in a hand full of games? How ever you answer these questions is totally upon your own decision. You are free to choose, which is what matters.

 

[Axon]

Show me the benches then we'll talk.

 

[Seero]

Just like when 2900 launched and 8xxx card prices went back up...

btw, if amd has a "focus group"-type organization then I'd sure like to know about it. hell, I'll sign up for both focus groups just to, um, er, "test" the cards against each other...hmmm, this could be a good plan... I could even be a double agent, you know, take amd's money and offer to badmouth nvidia, then take more of nvidia's money. I could play this game for years!!

That sounds like a good plan.

 

[bryanW1995]

um, "as of now" fermi doesn't do anything outside of the lab. Once AT and some other reasonably unbiased reviewers evaluate its performance against 5xxx then we will see what it really does. Maybe they added a cool new feature like amd did with eyefinity. Maybe they pulled physx support and decided to team up with amd on an open standard that anyone (well, except intel) can use. Maybe they're going to be similar in performance to 5xxx and they'll just try to charge more because they can. We'll know more soon, but don't say that fermi is actually out yet because the way this thing has been rolled out I wouldn't be surprised to get a 6 wk delay or something at the last minute.

 

[yh125d]

Are you saying I'm broke and cant be fixed?

touché

 

[tviceman]

A thread with a FUD site talking about a positive outlook for Fermi gets the fanboys so damn excited, but threads with charlie's FUD site are nonsense babblery


You're not fooling anybody :thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

Except that every other FUD site besides Charlie @ semiaccurate doesn't have a decidedly slanted tone towards nvidia or their products and lately have been coming up with a whole lot more solid concrete info than vague insinuations of gloom, doom, broken, unfixable, and too hot theories.

But other than all that, you've got a point for at least a few more days anyways, when one way or another all of this fud will either be verified or discredited.

 

[Seero]

um, "as of now" fermi doesn't do anything outside of the lab. Once AT and some other reasonably unbiased reviewers evaluate its performance against 5xxx then we will see what it really does. Maybe they added a cool new feature like amd did with eyefinity. Maybe they pulled physx support and decided to team up with amd on an open standard that anyone (well, except intel) can use. Maybe they're going to be similar in performance to 5xxx and they'll just try to charge more because they can. We'll know more soon, but don't say that fermi is actually out yet because the way this thing has been rolled out I wouldn't be surprised to get a 6 wk delay or something at the last minute.

The key thing about the Evergreen series is the support of Dx11. It has been the only series that support it since september 2009. How many games are here now that is worth to play at Dx11? 1000+? Probably 5 right?

Fermi isn't a science fiction, it exists. Due to NDA benchmarks can not be released to public, but doesn't mean it has not been done. The same thing happened to the Evergreen series where benchmark comes out as soon as the NDA is off, in seconds. Why is Fermi so different from others when it comes to NDA?

Speaking of benchmarks, it means nothing to me. Price on the other hand means a lot to me. The funny thing is, the market controls the pricing with demand, and the demand is a function of reliability, functionality, and supply. While benchmarks can be an indication of functionality, a simple driver update will change all of them. Look at the cata 10.3, a whooping 20% increase. Did people update the benchmarks that they have done before that? I don't know. So is benchmarks reliable?

Don't get me wrong. I strongly believe ATI will do something shall Fermi rocks, which to me is a good thing. What I don't want is that Fermi ain't able to put pressure on ATI, and thus ATI don't need to work hard to counter it.

 

[solofly]

Christ - some of you people are nuts

2) You guys are being needlessly harsh on Keys - I goddamn hate the Nvidia trolls like Wreckage & Lonberg, but Keys hasnt posted in that manner. ever. so be civil

That's because he'd be gone out of here (and there) if he did but the agenda is the same...

I applaud [H] for not letting nvidia salesmen post there...

 

[Kuzi]

The term "best price/performance" is subjective when you are comparing orange to apple.

Comparing ATI and Nvidia cards is like comparing apples to oranges? Haha, good one. You have fallen victim to NV's marketing machine.

As of now, Fermi series does everything that the evergreen series can do, but not the other way around. To be specific, Fermi series can handle PhysX for physics, and 3d vision for 3d. It is clear that Fermi series should be more expensive than the evergeen series even if they are running at the exact same speed on everything else. If you simply say "ATI offers the best price/performance since mid 2008," then clearly, you have been missing alot in the pass 2 years.

PhysX? No thanks. Now that DX11 and OpenCL are both out, I'll wait for physics engines that run on these APIs and support "all" hardware.

As for 3D Vision, I tried two games with it, World of Warcraft and GTA. While the effect was interesting, it was nothing I can handle playing with for more than 10 minutes or so, I preferred gaming without the 3D effect. Your assessment is clearly wrong

 

[WelshBloke]

This thread needs locking, then burning and then the ashes need scattering at sea.