Fear the Walking Dead - Official discussion thread

[smackababy]

Already confirmed in the Walking Dead that everyone has it. "It's in our blood. We're all carriers." -Dr. Jenner to Rick Grimes

Nobody may know that yet. The CDC may still be coming to that conclusion and since only three people have seen someone "rise from the dead", nobody really knows that yet. The father stated as such to the mother, I believe, but who the hell would believe that without seeing it?

 

[Childs]

the first episode was way too slow but the second one picked back up. I think the fat pimply kid will be a key to the groups survival somehow.

I dunno, he didnt do too well against the zombie principal. lol he tried to stab him in the dead and he just poked him. Walking Dead either makes it look too easy, or its much harder to do on a fresh zombie.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Not buying it. You don't even have to leave these forums to know that when someone says something everyone tells them they are full of shit and 100 different ways they are wrong.

Go ahead, send a text to your friends and family telling them you just saw a dead guy come back to life...see how they respond.

It's called "normalcy bias".

We saw it on 9/11 in several circumstances where people who were correctly responding to what was going on were having to deal with other people who were emotionally invested in denying what was happening right in front of them.

A handful of NYFD people were trying to get their firefighters away from the towers because they believed they towers were so damaged that they'd collapse. They were over-ruled by the majority of their colleagues who could not wrap their heads around what was happening.

Ditto the lady who stopped the PATH trains on 9/11. She had upper managers and politicians all up her ass because she stopped the trains but as soon as the towers came down they all STFU.

With a zombie apocalypse the reaction would be the same. Who in their right mind would think that a moving person would be dead? Who would be the first rational person to cross the line to where they wrapped their head around the outrageous notion that dead people were trying to kill the living?

And how would they be received if they told anyone else of their discovery?

Myself in the same situation I'd go to the store and blow my bank account on food and supplies, pack the car, stop by a gun shop and stock up on ammo, and then head off to someplace that's easy to defend. I have a place in mind but I'm not giving it away because, well, you never know.

But I for dang sure would not be telling anyone that I saw dead people walking around! That's a sure way to get locked up in a jail right when you need to keep mobile!

 

[Charmonium]

Ya, I think we're at the limit now. If they keep using the "I don't believe it" thing beyond another episode, it'll start getting hard to watch.

My money's also on a cover-up. Just that church alone, there were a good 3+ people who didn't seem to have brain/head damage, so they should have gotten up and walked away. There was also that drug addict the father found in the church and he freaked out about someone/something coming to kill him -- it sounded a lot more like people were going around to "clean up" the problem.

Also, original Walking Dead spoiler... from many seasons ago.

Spoiler

There was a flashback scene of Rick still in the hospital and Shane visiting. The military arrived and started killing everyone including doctors. Probably part of the same clean-up crew?

Damn - two nice catches there. I watched seasons 1-4 last summer and I'd completely forgotten about that. Also missed the church thing.

 

[Jeeebus]

Cash purchase on a boat with a cabin with at least a 600 gallon tank. Load up on extra gas and get as much food, guns, and fishing supplies aboard. Going on vacation. Adios.

 

[Harrod]

Cash purchase on a boat with a cabin with at least a 600 gallon tank. Load up on extra gas and get as much food, guns, and fishing supplies aboard. Going on vacation. Adios.

I hope they cover something like this in this show. I told someone at work once, about the 1st show, why doesn't someone get in a canoe, go to a river and get out of the area.

 

[Jeeebus]

Ya I can be in Bimini within an hour or two, docked in a relatively quiet harbor safe from the wind/waves. I have to imagine those that can make distance on a boat would be relatively well off at the start of an apocalypse.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Ya I can be in Bimini within an hour or two, docked in a relatively quiet harbor safe from the wind/waves. I have to imagine those that can make distance on a boat would be relatively well off at the start of an apocalypse.

I'd head north where the cold weather would freeze the zombies for most of the year and you'd be able to just walk up on them and bash them with a hammer and walk away. No fuss, no muss, no mess.

 

[pontifex]

I'd head north where the cold weather would freeze the zombies for most of the year and you'd be able to just walk up on them and bash them with a hammer and walk away. No fuss, no muss, no mess.

this bothers me. zombies ignore pretty much all laws of science, but you're certain cold will stop them?

 

[Jeeebus]

I'd head north where the cold weather would freeze the zombies for most of the year and you'd be able to just walk up on them and bash them with a hammer and walk away. No fuss, no muss, no mess.

Given the massive amount of trauma they can take to all major organs except the brain and keep walking, not so sure on testing out your theory. But hey, let me know how winter works for you foraging for food and heat.

 

[Nebor]

I dunno, he didnt do too well against the zombie principal. lol he tried to stab him in the dead and he just poked him. Walking Dead either makes it look too easy, or its much harder to do on a fresh zombie.

I always said that about the Walking Dead. They make it look pretty simple to stab through the skull of a person. It's not easy.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'd head north where the cold weather would freeze the zombies for most of the year and you'd be able to just walk up on them and bash them with a hammer and walk away. No fuss, no muss, no mess.

You'd freeze too

 

[destrekor]

I always said that about the Walking Dead. They make it look pretty simple to stab through the skull of a person. It's not easy.

Well, I always accepted the idea that these things are rotting.

Fresh zombies have strong bones and connective tissues just like living humans.

Old zombies have brittle and decomposing bones and connective tissues just like dead humans who aren't preserved.

You could pretty much do what they do to zombies in TWD to any body pulled out of a cemetery after a handful of years, and that could be done much faster if there were never any embalming fluids used to preserve the tissues. Carcasses decompose fast.

If bones can be picked clean, they may stay fairly strong, but I suspect if they remain connected to tissue they can be attacked much easier by natural processes. Plus, the skull is rather thin, and with connective tissue decomposing, that makes weak points that much weaker. Stabbing a collar bone is always going to be difficult, but with weak connective tissue, it may be easier to "slip" along until the force helps push it into a weak spot. It's not a stop-all, as obviously stab wounds to the chest can slip through between ribs, but it helps.

 

[Nebor]

I'm not a biologist, but I'm not sure that's true. A little quick googling tells me that it takes 40-50 years for bones to become brittle. And we find caveman bones intact.

 

[Childs]

I'm not a biologist, but I'm not sure that's true. A little quick googling tells me that it takes 40-50 years for bones to become brittle. And we find caveman bones intact.

I dont think so either. lol But for the sake of conversation, maybe the zombie virus makes bones softer over time. If it can make something dead alive, why not make bones soft. Its all BS, but as long as its consistent BS it should be fine. But that moment in the show was like something from a comedy. If we dont see that dude practicing on his head stabs in the next episode I will be disappointed. Or at least throw that steak knife in the trash and get a bat or something.

 

[Nebor]

I dont think so either. lol But for the sake of conversation, maybe the zombie virus makes bones softer over time. If it can make something dead alive, why not make bones soft. Its all BS, but as long as its consistent BS it should be fine. But that moment in the show was like something from a comedy. If we dont see that dude practicing on his head stabs in the next episode I will be disappointed. Or at least throw that steak knife in the trash and get a bat or something.

The entire idea of stabbing zombies in the head being a preferred method in TWD is ridiculous. Yeah, let's purposefully stick our hands within one foot of certain death, where if you miss your hand goes right into the mouth. A simple spear would be way better. Or a baseball bat. Or a lead pipe. Basically anything other than a knife with a blade less than 2 feet long.

 

[Childs]

The entire idea of stabbing zombies in the head being a preferred method in TWD is ridiculous. Yeah, let's purposefully stick our hands within one foot of certain death, where if you miss your hand goes right into the mouth. A simple spear would be way better. Or a baseball bat. Or a lead pipe. Basically anything other than a knife with a blade less than 2 feet long.

Yeah in general thats a problem with TWD. If a dude can just stab one in the head when they get close I dont see them as a threat at all. And its not like they are sneaky...they move slow and make moaning sounds. Many times TWD characters just push them away. You'd have to be a fool to die by zombies. At least in something like 28 Days Later you can see how that outbreak could lead to the fall of a civilization. I think the original Night of the Living Dead had it right. It would be a messed up first day or two, but then people would realize whats going on and wipe them out to where its a manageable situation.

 

[Charmonium]

One of the reasons I like ZNation is because they deal with a lot of these issues. For example, the guy at the arctic NSA station found a guy who had just turned zombie frozen to "death."

They also have better weapons. In particular I remember the girl with the spiked baseball bat. She had the right idea. Oh, and the sniper guy - fantastic.

In terms of going out to sea, that makes a lot of sense. In ZNation they don't do it because they're on a mission, so they can explain that one away.

In terms of consistency and originality, I think ZN is way ahead of TWD. Just the concept of a zombie messiah puts them over the top. Of course the acting on TWD is great and so much of the story turns on subtle interactions and things the characters do - or don't do. But I think ZN is much more original. You also have a pretty minimal use of plot armor. With the exception one and maybe two characters, anyone can die at any time. Maybe plot armor isn't the right phrase though. Some characters on TWD are just too popular to kill.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'd think the best way would be to team up with another survivor, one carries a long pole with a bar on it to keep the zombie at a distance or knock them over the other with an axe or long handled weapon.
I'd make some kind of shield too.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Zombies by themselves aren't an issue...it's the swarm that gets you. You can't kill a bunch at close quarters easily with a large sword or club because you don't have room to 'swing'. The knife allows quick reaction and fast focus change...albeit close quarters. If they never get in those scenarios, it would be utterly boring because there would be no threat at all.

 

[Childs]

Zombies by themselves aren't an issue...it's the swarm that gets you. You can't kill a bunch at close quarters easily with a large sword or club because you don't have room to 'swing'. The knife allows quick reaction and fast focus change...albeit close quarters. If they never get in those scenarios, it would be utterly boring because there would be no threat at all.

I think it would be a lot like how people play DayZ. The players just run around killing each other, and zombies are no threat. They dont even bother killing them, they just run around them and say "F*ck off zombie."

 

[Imp]

In real-life, I don't see why gubment wouldn't just drive a tank around with huge loud speakers and lure them into a quarry. Hell, start setting off explosions or rev up a diesel train in there that you can hear for miles.

Then we wouldn't have a show...

Seriously, where is the chainmail or full-plate...

 

[AznAnarchy99]

One of the reasons I like ZNation is because they deal with a lot of these issues. For example, the guy at the arctic NSA station found a guy who had just turned zombie frozen to "death."

They also have better weapons. In particular I remember the girl with the spiked baseball bat. She had the right idea. Oh, and the sniper guy - fantastic.

In terms of going out to sea, that makes a lot of sense. In ZNation they don't do it because they're on a mission, so they can explain that one away.

In terms of consistency and originality, I think ZN is way ahead of TWD. Just the concept of a zombie messiah puts them over the top. Of course the acting on TWD is great and so much of the story turns on subtle interactions and things the characters do - or don't do. But I think ZN is much more original. You also have a pretty minimal use of plot armor. With the exception one and maybe two characters, anyone can die at any time. Maybe plot armor isn't the right phrase though. Some characters on TWD are just too popular to kill.

I kinda liked how in World War Z civilization didn't completely fall apart and people were on air carriers.

 

[smackababy]

I kinda liked how in World War Z civilization didn't completely fall apart and people were on air carriers.

I've always maintained in the event of any collapse in society, a boat at sea would be the most sustainable way to live. All you need is a way to desalinize water and some basic fishing supplies to be fully capable of living. And, being mobile, you can sail to port cities and scavenge when needed. You are fairly protected from other threats, so long they don't also have boats, but that is easily spotted.

 

[Nebor]

I've always maintained in the event of any collapse in society, a boat at sea would be the most sustainable way to live. All you need is a way to desalinize water and some basic fishing supplies to be fully capable of living. And, being mobile, you can sail to port cities and scavenge when needed. You are fairly protected from other threats, so long they don't also have boats, but that is easily spotted.

Yup. A good supply of vitamins and you'd be set. Most modern sailboats can generate enough power to desalinate water and provide electricity for communicating and refrigeration.