Fear the Walking Dead - Official discussion thread

[destrekor]

I'm not a biologist, but I'm not sure that's true. A little quick googling tells me that it takes 40-50 years for bones to become brittle. And we find caveman bones intact.

I might be wrong on the bones becoming brittle early enough, but there are still two factors to consider:

1. We don't find every single skeleton. Most are not preserved, what we find is rare. Natural elements often destroy almost or the all of the entire body, but sometimes a few bones are preserved or, even more rarely, an entire set of bones.

Same reason we only have found, comparatively, a handful of dinosaurs.

The "cavemen" we find, and other early hominids, aren't truly fossils just yet, but in the environment in which they are found, give them a few million years and they'd become rock fossils. They're the specimens that have found the right soil and variables to become preserved enough to last the ages.

We don't find every animal that just dies randomly in the woods or anything.

Why don't we find the woods scattered with bones? Animals have to die somewhere. Now, bones of the very young and very old are more porous and likely not to be discovered after time, so that's one factor.

But another factor to consider for zombies: they are still walking around, but the flesh is actively in a state of decay. A virus or something is still animating the body through the nerves, but bacteria and whatnot are still consuming the body. Bones, after time, would settle into the earth after this type of decay, and would be picked clean by all the other life, so certain types of soil can help preserve and stop any continued bone loss. Hanging out in the open environment, pro-bone soil environments cannot do anything to stave off destruction.

But that leads to the final point for zombies: bone still contains living tissue, the marrow, and it is likely the zombie bug infects the marrow. Without animals to pick some of the marrow clean, this is an infected element within the bone, so now there is decomposing tissue outside and inside the bone.

Lastly... it's fiction. So, there's that.

 

[CZroe]

this bothers me. zombies ignore pretty much all laws of science, but you're certain cold will stop them?

They made it clear that cold will freeze them in the original The Walking Dead. Georgia has pretty mild winters so the cold helped them get into the farm (made the muddy creek traversable by zombies on foot)

In real-life, I don't see why gubment wouldn't just drive a tank around with huge loud speakers and lure them into a quarry. Hell, start setting off explosions or rev up a diesel train in there that you can hear for miles.



Then we wouldn't have a show...



Seriously, where is the chainmail or full-plate...

It would start over every time someone died of other causes. I always wondered why people in the prisons didn't sleep in locked cells with the keys readily available. Zombies couldn't get/use a key and anyone dying in their sleep would be already contained.

 

[CZroe]

OK, I finally solved my login issue and watched Episode 2.

The girl took her gloves off TWICE after cleaning up the puke from his Grand Mal seizure. Obvious continuity error. She also wiped one in her hair and touched the contaminated parts with her bare hands (folded over one and used it to pull off the other). You put your hair back BEFORE you start cleaning a mess like that. If an actor is simply ACTS like there is puke and/or infectious agents on them, then avoiding those mistakes would be easy. Conclusion: Bad actor.

Did they forget all about the food cart after subduing Artie? No explanation for leaving it? Did they attract more zombies or something that were upstairs by the cart while they were downstairs struggling with Artie?

 

[Jeeebus]

They made it clear that cold will freeze them in the original The Walking Dead.

I don't recall anything in the show about zombies freezing in the winter. That might be something from the comic, but I don't remember it being covered in the show. Nor do I see how they would know such a thing as your area of Georgia doesn't really exhibit sustained periods of freezing temperatures.

 

[CZroe]

I don't recall anything in the show about zombies freezing in the winter. That might be something from the comic, but I don't remember it being covered in the show. Nor do I see how they would know such a thing as your area of Georgia doesn't really exhibit sustained periods of freezing temperatures.

IIRC, their exact words were "slows them down" with the implication that they would be effectively immobilized, but I'm pretty sure they encountered an immobile one at least once.

There are periods in midwest Georgia every winter where it drops below freezing multiple nights in a row with at least some days where it doesn't get above freezing or stay above it long enough for things to defrost. For something without body heat which does not seek shelter, it is more than enough to freeze. Even a few days here or there is "sustained enough" to make such a determination.

I am literally talking about the exact area where they were filming the farmhouse and where they described the prison ("North on 85 just past Highway 34"). Everything else was described as north of here and, thus, colder.

My apartment is inches off the I-85 Highway 34 exit ramp.

 

[Charmonium]

There are periods in Georgia every winter where it drops below freezing multiple nights in a row with at least some days where it doesn't get above freezing or stay above it long enough for things to defrost. For something without body heat which does not seek shelter, it is more than enough to freeze. Even a few days here or there is "sustained enough" to make such a determination.

I used to live in southern Alabama not far from the Florida border and it was a big deal when water would freeze. So it probably depends a lot on exactly where in GA they are. If they're close to FL, the worst that's going to happen to a zombie is that they might get a little crunchy.

edit: It just occurred to me that the zombies aren't necessarily cold blooded either. I don't think we know one way or the other.

 

[Kaido]

OK, I finally solved my login issue and watched Episode 2.

The girl took her gloves off TWICE after cleaning up the puke from his Grand Mal seizure. Obvious continuity error. She also wiped one in her hair and touched the contaminated parts with her bare hands (folded over one and used it to pull off the other). You put your hair back BEFORE you start cleaning a mess like that. If an actor is simply ACTS like there is puke and/or infectious agents on them, then avoiding those mistakes would be easy. Conclusion: Bad actor.

Did they forget all about the food cart after subduing Artie? No explanation for leaving it? Did they attract more zombies or something that were upstairs by the cart while they were downstairs struggling with Artie?

You know...when she dropped off the chubby kid, he didn't take any food with him right? And she said they had enough food at her house so they didn't need any supplies (d'oh!).

And what we know from TWD is that everyone is infected. Not everyone gets the fever though, which is typically kicked off from a bite or scratch of a zombie.

I'm thinking the homeless dude they shot (where the protest takes place) originally infected the people at the church & then moved on. Possibly a government cover-up (via the CDC) since (1) the zombie girlfriend from the intro to episode 1 was MIA, and (2) the guy she killed in the hallway (the first guy the son ran into when he woke up in the beginning of ep 1) was gone too. So someone went in there & removed the bodies but left the blood. Something is fishy for sure, especially since the chubby kid was pointing out how the government was suppressing information to the public since he was getting it through the net. So...they know (hence the hazmat suits with the protest clean-up), but they're not letting on...

 

[CZroe]

I used to live in southern Alabama not far from the Florida border and it was a big deal when water would freeze. So it probably depends a lot on exactly where in GA they are. If they're close to FL, the worst that's going to happen to a zombie is that they might get a little crunchy.

This is the exact part of Georgia. The farmhouse is physically in Senoia, which is a 15 minute drive from my apartment, but it was depicted in the show as being right off I-85, which would place it even closer. There is a prison/jail directly off of Highway 34 as Rick describes except that it's on the south side of 34's intersection with Greison Trail instead of "just north."

 

[CZroe]

You know...when she dropped off the chubby kid, he didn't take any food with him right? And she said they had enough food at her house so they didn't need any supplies (d'oh!).

And what we know from TWD is that everyone is infected. Not everyone gets the fever though, which is typically kicked off from a bite or scratch of a zombie.

I'm thinking the homeless dude they shot (where the protest takes place) originally infected the people at the church & then moved on. Possibly a government cover-up (via the CDC) since (1) the zombie girlfriend from the intro to episode 1 was MIA, and (2) the guy she killed in the hallway (the first guy the son ran into when he woke up in the beginning of ep 1) was gone too. So someone went in there & removed the bodies but left the blood. Something is fishy for sure, especially since the chubby kid was pointing out how the government was suppressing information to the public since he was getting it through the net. So...they know (hence the hazmat suits with the protest clean-up), but they're not letting on...

Did you forget that this show is about dead people who get up and walk? Them being "gone" does not mean that someone moved the body just like when Cal wasn't where Nick left him dead.

The bodies in the church almost certainly got up and walked off on their own. After that, well, they were probably rounded up and killed by the government while they tried to contain things. It makes a lot more sense than taking the bodies and leaving the blood.

They were still pushing the cart until they encountered Artie, so chubs still wanted the food regardless of what she said.

And I wasn't saying that the puke was going to get her sick. She doesn't know any of that. It just doesn't make sense to wear gloves and then wipe the stuff all over yourself anyway. Why bother with the gloves then?

 

[destrekor]

OK, I finally solved my login issue and watched Episode 2.

The girl took her gloves off TWICE after cleaning up the puke from his Grand Mal seizure. Obvious continuity error. She also wiped one in her hair and touched the contaminated parts with her bare hands (folded over one and used it to pull off the other). You put your hair back BEFORE you start cleaning a mess like that. If an actor is simply ACTS like there is puke and/or infectious agents on them, then avoiding those mistakes would be easy. Conclusion: Bad actor.

Did they forget all about the food cart after subduing Artie? No explanation for leaving it? Did they attract more zombies or something that were upstairs by the cart while they were downstairs struggling with Artie?

For the gloves:
That was more in line with bad direction than bad acting... it takes directors and screenwriters to create the character. For accuracy-based things, it shouldn't be on an actor to know how to perfectly don protective clothing. How many actual people put on full suits wrong when it is actually required for their job, like during the Ebola outbreak? It happened, and they weren't actors. People get tripped up by the proper steps.

Plus, it's puke - not Ebola or something else. Not everyone even uses gloves to clean up puke. Regardless, the gloves were more likely to protect against chemical burning and household chemicals are barely rated as irritants due to the dilution, so, again, a non-issue in real life, let alone a show.

For the food cart:
Either continuity error, or after that little event, they got too scared to worry about messing around in the school any longer than they already had.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm still assuming they put the food into the car and were simply walking back from checking the body or something.

 

[CZroe]

For the gloves:
That was more in line with bad direction than bad acting... it takes directors and screenwriters to create the character. For accuracy-based things, it shouldn't be on an actor to know how to perfectly don protective clothing. How many actual people put on full suits wrong when it is actually required for their job, like during the Ebola outbreak? It happened, and they weren't actors. People get tripped up by the proper steps.

Plus, it's puke - not Ebola or something else. Not everyone even uses gloves to clean up puke. Regardless, the gloves were more likely to protect against chemical burning and household chemicals are barely rated as irritants due to the dilution, so, again, a non-issue in real life, let alone a show.

For the food cart:
Either continuity error, or after that little event, they got too scared to worry about messing around in the school any longer than they already had.

I understand that it isn't Ebola, but if I was cleaning up puke and went through the trouble to use gloves to keep it off my hands I wouldn't just put my bare hands on the dirty part of the gloves without at least cleaning the gloves off first, and I damned sure wouldn't wipe it across my hair. It's not hard to pretend that there's something gross on them and act accordingly.

 

[CZroe]

I'm still assuming they put the food into the car and were simply walking back from checking the body or something.

Huh? No. They were scrambling to the car without the cart as frantically as when they were scrambling with the cart. Clearly, they did not go back. I'm sure they simply didn't have the nerve to go back upstairs for the food after their encounter, which still seems weird to me.

 

[Skel]

I don't recall anything in the show about zombies freezing in the winter. That might be something from the comic, but I don't remember it being covered in the show. Nor do I see how they would know such a thing as your area of Georgia doesn't really exhibit sustained periods of freezing temperatures.

I was scratching my head at when they did that too. I know in the comics there's a whole part where the zombies freeze only to thaw out and kill a bunch of people, but not in the show. In fact I don't think we've seen a winter in the show have we?

I also really hope they do something more with the junkie going through withdrawals. The idea to give him all the meds (that are just enough to ween him off of it) was really stupid. Odds are he'll have gone through that by dinner.

Also kudos to thinking of the school as a place to get drugs. I never would have thought of that, sadly it'll make schools a target if anything happens in real life.

 

[cbrunny]

It's very obvious that this show is not bound to a comic the way season 1 is. Some camera shots seem like they try to frame a shot the same as a comic would but it is so much less prevalent than it was in TWD.

This show is so much better than TWD. TWD is bound far too much by the comic - it's nice to see a show that has a proper script, proper cinematography, proper actors, etc. rather than those that are fit into a pre-defined mold.

Plus the story is way more interesting. It's neat to see the outbreak as it happens.

Probably the best pilot of any show I've ever seen. 10/10.

 

[Kaido]

Huh? No. They were scrambling to the car without the cart as frantically as when they were scrambling with the cart. Clearly, they did not go back. I'm sure they simply didn't have the nerve to go back upstairs for the food after their encounter, which still seems weird to me.

Well, they also don't realize the gravity of the situation yet. Zombies don't exist in this storyworld, and they've never seen it happen. So like when people get sick & go nuts on bath salts or whatever, they probably just think that's what's happening with this...some sort of really bad flu.

 

[Kaido]

...wouldn't wipe it across my hair. It's not hard to pretend that there's something gross on them and act accordingly.

Yeah, but I think that's the air she's supposed to put on...she's done this soooo many times already that it's old-hat for her. She doesn't freak out at anything he does until he seizes. But yeah...overall not a really big fan of the acting so far. But since nothing else is on, let's discuss it in mindless detail until TWD comes back on! :awe:

 

[pontifex]

They made it clear that cold will freeze them in the original The Walking Dead. Georgia has pretty mild winters so the cold helped them get into the farm (made the muddy creek traversable by zombies on foot)

they did? when? How did they find this out?

so in your example the cold actually helped the zombies?

 

[Bart*Simpson]

You'd freeze too

You mean just like everyone in Alaska freezes to death every winter?

 

[pontifex]

I don't recall anything in the show about zombies freezing in the winter. That might be something from the comic, but I don't remember it being covered in the show. Nor do I see how they would know such a thing as your area of Georgia doesn't really exhibit sustained periods of freezing temperatures.

I don't even recall that in the comic.

 

[Charmonium]

they did? when? How did they find this out?

so in your example the cold actually helped the zombies?

I think he meant that the muddy creek could NOT be transversed by the zombies. They got stuck in the mud, literally. Something I always thought was weird because it doesn't take any real smarts to pull your foot out of the mud. I think they portrayed it as an intelligence issue but it really shouldn't be. If you keep tugging randomly, you're eventually going to get out. So it sort of implies that older zombies are weaker than fresh ones.

ZNation did a really good job of putting a fine point on this idea. They would distinguish fresh zombies from the rest by how fast they could move. The fresh ones were as fast an agile as normal humans. You don't really see that on TWD so IDK if they make any effort to differentiate. I think they may have but it's not anything they've ever focused on. Basically TWD zombies are one size fits all.

 

[Imp]

I understand that it isn't Ebola, but if I was cleaning up puke and went through the trouble to use gloves to keep it off my hands I wouldn't just put my bare hands on the dirty part of the gloves without at least cleaning the gloves off first, and I damned sure wouldn't wipe it across my hair. It's not hard to pretend that there's something gross on them and act accordingly.

I think you're giving people too much credit. More than a few people I know don't have a problem grabbing the bottom of a toilet seat, not washing hands, then proceeding to eat with their hands. MOST people I know consider 10 seconds of soap application and rinsing off "hand washing." I spent 10-15 seconds alone applying soap.

Some complete fucking idiot I've known for a long time has no problem climbing into dumpsters for hours (ones in parks, not back of a store, so probably lots of dog/human shit + god knows what else) and then going home, not changing, or washing hands and touching everything from cutlery to the fridge. Because he thinks you're stupid for worrying -- meanwhile this fuckwit's kidneys are failing and he has Hep B, and he usually looks like he just came out of solitary without food for weeks.

 

[CZroe]

I think he meant that the muddy creek could NOT be transversed by the zombies. They got stuck in the mud, literally. Something I always thought was weird because it doesn't take any real smarts to pull your foot out of the mud. I think they portrayed it as an intelligence issue but it really shouldn't be. If you keep tugging randomly, you're eventually going to get out. So it sort of implies that older zombies are weaker than fresh ones.

ZNation did a really good job of putting a fine point on this idea. They would distinguish fresh zombies from the rest by how fast they could move. The fresh ones were as fast an agile as normal humans. You don't really see that on TWD so IDK if they make any effort to differentiate. I think they may have but it's not anything they've ever focused on. Basically TWD zombies are one size fits all.

I've been stuck in Georgia mud a few times where "tugging" only makes you sink further. I've literally spent hours stuck in the mud getting deeper and deeper until someone managed to free me.

Once was when my brother and I were stuck in the mud at a creek that was behind our childhood home. My brother was close enough to a bank to eventually get out which was my saving grace. Our mother had to hose us down on the front porch because we had each sunk down to our chests.

Another time was at a washed-out bridge where a few of us were hoping to fish. We ignored all the warning signs believing that they were only intended for drivers. When one of us would get free he'd quickly get stuck again attempting to free one of the others. I lost my Nikes because I had to slip out of them for my friends to pull me out. I know it got up to my waist that time.

Another was way down yonder at the Chattahoochee. Alan Jackson wasn't the only person from these parts to get in trouble there. I was just yards past the tree line from the Highway 16 parking lot where I climbed down into what I though was a ditch. Turns out that it was a mostly dried up tributary that was, for the moment, just mud covered by leaves. I was really young then so the adults came looking for me before it got deeper than my knees, but I had to leave my boots behind for some future paleontologist to find.

The mud ain't playin' 'round these parts.

 

[Charmonium]

Once was when my brother and I were stuck in the mud at a creek that was behind our childhood home. My brother was close enough to a bank to eventually get out which was my saving grace. Our mother had to hose us down on the front porch because we had each sunk down to our chests.

Daaayumm. I've gotten stuck in mud before but nothing like that. It sounds like quick sand. I did a search on 'quick mud' and found this.

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Some complete fucking idiot I've known for a long time has no problem climbing into dumpsters for hours (ones in parks, not back of a store, so probably lots of dog/human shit + god knows what else) and then going home, not changing, or washing hands and touching everything from cutlery to the fridge. Because he thinks you're stupid for worrying -- meanwhile this fuckwit's kidneys are failing and he has Hep B, and he usually looks like he just came out of solitary without food for weeks.

Darwinism for the win! :awe: