Father charged with "headshot" killing of drunk driver that killed his 2 sons

[SheHateMe]

Still on that premeditation bullshit? Grow up. He didn't wait days, months, or years to exact his revenge. It was done in the heat of the moment, while his sons lay near him fatallly injured.

Let's see what a jury of peers decides.

And in the heat of the moment, he thought out exactly what he was going to do. Going over to check on the driver first tells me all I need to know that this guy is guilty and doesn't deserve special treatment because his kids died.

He murdered someone.

He is no better than the drunk driver.

 

[Baked]

The father did society justice, which the retarded and corrupted due process legal system this country wasn't able to do. He should be awarded.

 

[SheHateMe]

Your lack of empathy is disturbing.

Sorry, I don't have empathy for killers.


Someone assaulted my Great Aunt this month. She was 72 and a guy broke into her home and shot her 9 times. By you guys' logic, I should be able to murder the guy who tried to kill her.

But, I didn't. He was arrested and is awaiting trial.

I did not take the law into my own hands.

Sorry, he gets no empathy from me. His trauma is not more tragic than mine or anyone else who is related to a victim of a drunk driver or some other criminal.




The overwhelming approval of murder in this thread is shocking.

 

[JM Aggie08]

And in the heat of the moment, he thought out exactly what he was going to do. Going over to check on the driver first tells me all I need to know that this guy is guilty and doesn't deserve special treatment because his kids died.

He murdered someone.

He is no better than the drunk driver.

That's one huge, fucking stretch.

 

[sixone]

Sorry, I don't have empathy for killers.

Someone assaulted my Great Aunt this month. She was 72 and a guy broke into her home and shot her 9 times. By you guys' logic, I should be able to murder the guy who tried to kill her.

But, I didn't. He was arrested and is awaiting trial.

I did not take the law into my own hands.

Sorry, he gets no empathy from me. His trauma is not more tragic than mine or anyone else who is related to a victim of a drunk driver or some other criminal.

The overwhelming approval of murder in this thread is shocking.

Your situation bears little resemblance to this story. You weren't anywhere near the scene of the crime, and you weren't faced with someone who brutally killed your kids in front of you.

Sad that you can't feel any empathy for the guy, even if you think he should be charged with murder. He suffered a terrible loss.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And in the heat of the moment, he thought out exactly what he was going to do. Going over to check on the driver first tells me all I need to know that this guy is guilty and doesn't deserve special treatment because his kids died.

He murdered someone.

He is no better than the drunk driver.

You're entitled to your own opinion, doesn't make it true.

You weren't there, you don't know what he was thinking. When you become a parent someday, if you do, you'll have a clue about what he was thinking.

 

[RPD]

Sorry, I don't have empathy for killers.


Someone assaulted my Great Aunt this month. She was 72 and a guy broke into her home and shot her 9 times. By you guys' logic, I should be able to murder the guy who tried to kill her.

But, I didn't. He was arrested and is awaiting trial.

I did not take the law into my own hands.

Sorry, he gets no empathy from me. His trauma is not more tragic than mine or anyone else who is related to a victim of a drunk driver or some other criminal.




The overwhelming approval of murder in this thread is shocking.

Great Aunt doesn't equal TWO sons.
Being present during the situation doesn't equal not being present (because if you were, then by all rights killing the criminal would be acceptable).
Fail logic on your part.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

Great Aunt doesn't equal TWO sons.
Being present during the situation doesn't equal not being present (because if you were, then by all rights killing the criminal would be acceptable).
Fail logic on your part.

she's barely even related to you. you two could have dated and no one would've even cared. you probably don't even care yourself.

 

[randomrogue]

For those who think this is temporary insanity here's a guy who got 15-30 years after killing his wife who killed one of his kids and nearly the other.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/2/man-sentenced-killing-wife-she-strangled-son/

Temporary insanity would have to show that he's sane now, but was insane then. Some places apparently don't allow this plea- you're either insane or you're not. Insanity needs to show that he lost his ability to tell right from wrong. I'd think it's going to be really tough considered he went to his house to get a weapon.

One of the reasons that the temporary insanity plea has fallen out of favor is that most juries feel that even a person in exceptional emotional pain, as when finding out about an adulterous spouse, or from perhaps losing a child, is probably capable of distinguishing right from wrong, and understanding his/her acts. Temporary insanity, especially in the latter case, is often seen as a thinly veiled excuse for vigilantism. A desire for revenge doesn’t necessarily make a person insane, and people can point to countless examples of others who have suffered losses and not decided to kill or injure people who were responsible for these losses.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-temporary-insanity-plea.htm

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Feel free to follow the quote links. I'm not your mother.

That was somewhat rhetorical. You being the one confused, I thought it might help you see my side of things. My only point being you are missing a fine, yet crucial point.

 

[Raduque]

For those saying it was premeditated because he went to the house to get a gun, how about if he only went to the truck to get it?

 

[RPD]

For those saying it was premeditated because he went to the house to get a gun, how about if he only went to the truck to get it?

Also while thinking about this, know his house was 50 yards away. That means he could have ran there in less than 10 seconds.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

For those who think this is temporary insanity here's a guy who got 15-30 years after killing his wife who killed one of his kids and nearly the other.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/2/man-sentenced-killing-wife-she-strangled-son/

Temporary insanity would have to show that he's sane now, but was insane then. Some places apparently don't allow this plea- you're either insane or you're not. Insanity needs to show that he lost his ability to tell right from wrong. I'd think it's going to be really tough considered he went to his house to get a weapon.



http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-temporary-insanity-plea.htm

Completely different set of circumstances in that case including the guy's own culpability in remaining and allowing his children to remain anywhere in proximity to a nutball, but mainly the fact that he pussed out and plead to avoid a potentially worse outcome. Still though, I personally find his fate sickening, and the judge's decision amoral.

The law is the law now, but it was not always that way (you can safely say that about almost any law and its application) and does not need to remain so. It's difficult for lawmakers to anticipate every possible scenario when drafting them, so this invariably leads to situations where the application of the current law is unfair, unjust, and sometimes simply gross.

I suspect a poll of everyone given the full facts of this case would show more support for my position than say, SheHateMe's, and since we are self-governed, we could demand they are changed.

 

[videogames101]

Completely different set of circumstances in that case including the guy's own culpability in remaining and allowing his children to remain anywhere in proximity to a nutball, but mainly the fact that he pussed out and plead to avoid a potentially worse outcome. Still though, I personally find his fate sickening, and the judge's decision amoral.

The law is the law now, but it was not always that way (you can safely say that about almost any law and its application) and does not need to remain so. It's difficult for lawmakers to anticipate every possible scenario when drafting them, so this invariably leads to situations where the application of the current law is unfair, unjust, and sometimes simply gross.

I suspect a poll of everyone given the full facts of this case would show more support for my position than say, SheHateMe's, and since we are self-governed, we could demand they are changed.

thats a nice idea :|

 

[BurnItDwn]

Oh, but someone who murdered another person could stand the sight of themselves.



I hope the Dad enjoys prison.

He will most likely regret it the rest of his life. But, the rest of his life is already fucked thanks to the dipshit who killed his kids. No win situation, he went for immediate gratification. He did what most people would want to do if they were ever forced into such a horrible situation. I'm not saying what he did is "legal." It was clearly illegal. However, I believe vigilante justice is often closer to true justice than "legal system" justice.

 

[SheHateMe]

Your situation bears little resemblance to this story. You weren't anywhere near the scene of the crime, and you weren't faced with someone who brutally killed your kids in front of you.

Sad that you can't feel any empathy for the guy, even if you think he should be charged with murder. He suffered a terrible loss.

I am sad that his children died. But I am not going to commend him for murdering the driver.

He will most likely regret it the rest of his life. But, the rest of his life is already fucked thanks to the dipshit who killed his kids. No win situation, he went for immediate gratification. He did what most people would want to do if they were ever forced into such a horrible situation. I'm not saying what he did is "legal." It was clearly illegal. However, I believe vigilante justice is often closer to true justice than "legal system" justice.

Fine, he avenged his children. Now, he can go straight to jail for murder. As long as he understand that what he did was wrong, he can feel good about it...behind bars.


Who knows, the drunk driver could have gotten 15-30 for what he did. We'll never know, because the dad took it upon himself to sentence the guy.

Great Aunt doesn't equal TWO sons.
Being present during the situation doesn't equal not being present (because if you were, then by all rights killing the criminal would be acceptable).
Fail logic on your part.

Nice to know that certain family members are worth more than other family members. It doesn't matter whether or not I was present when she was shot. I went to the hospital and was able to witness the extend of her wounds. I was also able to see his face and hear him tell a judge that he was "not guilty".

So, yes, I could have done the SAME thing this guy did...

One relationship does not trump another.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You all are arguing with a blatant liberal extremist. There is no way to apply logic to this situation and make her understand it.

And, comparing a great aunt getting shot to two sons being killed in front of your eyes... Wow. Not surprising, but wow.

 

[SheHateMe]

You all are arguing with a blatant liberal extremist.

hahaha. Are you serious?

Blatant liberal extremist....

And, comparing a great aunt getting shot to two sons being killed in front of your eyes... Wow. Not surprising, but wow.

Why does he get special permission because he witnessed his children dying?
What about a father whose daughter was brutally raped? He was not there, but he saw the damage after the fact. Can he not get as upset as the father in this case did? If he shoots the rapist, is he wrong then?

Is he required to witness the act first?


Whats the fucking difference?


No seriously, you guys are sitting here condoning murder because it was vigilante justice...and then you're telling me that its different from another situation because I was not there to witness.
it.


And shame on you for once again bringing your P&N bullshit into this forum.

 

[RPD]

I am sad that his children died. But I am not going to commend him for murdering the driver.



Fine, he avenged his children. Now, he can go straight to jail for murder. As long as he understand that what he did was wrong, he can feel good about it...behind bars.


Who knows, the drunk driver could have gotten 15-30 for what he did. We'll never know, because the dad took it upon himself to sentence the guy.




Nice to know that certain family members are worth more than other family members. It doesn't matter whether or not I was present when she was shot. I went to the hospital and was able to witness the extend of her wounds. I was also able to see his face and hear him tell a judge that he was "not guilty".

So, yes, I could have done the SAME thing this guy did...

One relationship does not trump another.

Good to know you think justice is serving "15-30" for killing two boys.

 

[SheHateMe]

Good to know you think justice is serving "15-30" for killing two boys.

Oh, did I say that's what the sentence should have been? No, I did not. There's a difference between "should" and "could"


Good to know that you think justice for wreckless driving and killing two boys is being murdered. What he did was wrong, both parties were wrong, and both should be punished for what they did because it is not OK.


And the one person that really should have gone to jail is not going because he was killed.




If that makes me a "blatant liberal extremist", so be it. I love when people try to insult you with assumed political affiliation. It's like being called "fat and ugly" on the internet.

 

[RPD]

Oh, did I say that's what the sentence should have been? No, I did not. There's a difference between "should" and "could"


Good to know that you think justice for wreckless driving and killing two boys is being murdered. What he did was wrong, both parties were wrong, and both should be punished for what they did because it is not OK.

You are fucking right I think that if you kill two boys, being murdered should be the punishment.

Also your previous statement, said COULD HAVE, I read that as if that meant "justice served". Are you claiming otherwise?

 

[SphinxnihpS]

thats a nice idea :|

Used to be...

Meh, people these days seem to want all the freedom and none of the responsibility.

 

[SheHateMe]

Also your previous statement, said COULD HAVE, I read that as if that meant "justice served". Are you claiming otherwise?

lmao.

The word "could" was used to express possibility. You know as in "The father COULD have let the justice system handle it" or "The drunk driver COULD have taken a cab home". Can't believe I am explaining this to you.

Obviously 15-30 is not the only possibility here. He COULD have gotten much longer. What COULD have happened had this guy gone to court for what he done...we will never know. COULD the father go to prison? Probably.

I didn't say shit about "justice served".

Assuming makes an ass out of you and me.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

<removed whiney crap to save everyone else the trouble>


And shame on you for once again bringing your P&N bullshit into this forum.

Please, spare us yet another selfish tasha tantrum.

 

[SheHateMe]

Please, spare us yet another selfish tasha tantrum.

Must be a slow day at P&N.