Father charged with "headshot" killing of drunk driver that killed his 2 sons

[RPD]

lmao.

The word "could" was used to express possibility. You know as in "The father COULD have let the justice system handle it" or "The drunk driver COULD have taken a cab home". Can't believe I am explaining this to you.

Obviously 15-30 is not the only possibility here. He COULD have gotten much longer. What COULD have happened had this guy gone to court for what he done...we will never know. COULD the father go to prison? Probably.

I didn't say shit about "justice served".

Assuming makes an ass out of you and me.

It seems you don't have many conversations other than on a forum. I bet if you asked 100 people how they'd gauge your quote in question, a very high percentage would have taken it the same way I did.

Well they COULD have walked home, well they COULD have gotten abducted by fucking aliens too, right? Way to take what you wrote and completely twist it beyond any meaningful written expression.

 

[SheHateMe]

It seems you don't have many conversations other than on a forum. I bet if you asked 100 people how they'd gauge your quote in question, a very high percentage would have taken it the same way I did.

Well they COULD have walked home, well they COULD have gotten abducted by fucking aliens too, right? Way to take what you wrote and completely twist it beyond any meaningful written expression.

I'm sorry you don't understand what the word "could" means.


You should probably search this thread for the word "could" so you could personally pick a bone with anyone who uses the word in a way that you don't like.

You ASSUMING that I said something, and me telling you exactly what I meant are two different things. If you don't like what I had to say in response to your question, then don't bother whining to me about it.

 

[RPD]

I'm sorry you don't understand what the word "could" means.

I'm sorry you don't understand what context is.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Fine, he avenged his children. Now, he can go straight to jail for murder. As long as he understand that what he did was wrong, he can feel good about it...behind bars.

Who knows, the drunk driver could have gotten 15-30 for what he did. We'll never know, because the dad took it upon himself to sentence the guy.

As many people have already stated, in the USA this would not be considered to be "murder in the 2nd degree", it would be a lesser charge of "Voluntary Manslaughter."

Also, he will likely get a low bail so that his family can afford to bail him out so he can be there to support his wife and surviving child. Also, the prosecution will probably go easy on him, and he might even "get off" completely.


If a murderous drunk driver who kills two people only gets 15-30 years, then a man who humanely euthanizes that vicious drunk driver after being hit by that very same evil drunk driver and having lost two beloved family members to that sinister drunk driver has already paid much too high a price for his crime.

 

[Engineer]

I hate drunk drivers with a passion. I still think that if you drink and drive, you go to prison even on the 1st charge, period. With that said and as bad as I feel for the dad, he still had no right to shoot the guy. Maybe he will get a reduction of sentence but he still committed a crime (unless he gets off on insanity).

RIP to the young boys that lost their life. The driver should have spent the rest of his life in jail...now the father might just take his place there.

 

[SheHateMe]

As many people have already stated, in the USA this would not be considered to be "murder in the 2nd degree", it would be a lesser charge of "Voluntary Manslaughter."

Also, he will likely get a low bail so that his family can afford to bail him out so he can be there to support his wife and surviving child. Also, the prosecution will probably go easy on him, and he might even "get off" completely.


If a murderous drunk driver who kills two people only gets 15-30 years, then a man who humanely euthanizes that vicious drunk driver after being hit by that very same evil drunk driver and having lost two beloved family members to that sinister drunk driver has already paid much too high a price for his crime.

Well, they could decide to charge him with 2nd degree murder if they wanted to. We won't know until he is arraigned. It is also up to the judge's discretion what his punishment will be.

2 counts of Vehicular Manslaughter, DUI, and reckless endangerment are serious charges. Why couldn't the guy get a day in court so he could go to jail for what he did?

And what happens if he doesn't "get off" completely? What about his family?

15-30 years per death would be a pretty long time. 30-life per death is even longer. Going to jail for that amount of time because you "humanly euthanized" the drunk driver who killed your sons is not worth it to me.

Not worth my family losing two sons AND a father.

I'm sorry you don't understand what context is.

Just agree to disagree and get over it. Not bothering with you any more over that comment.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

hahaha. Are you serious?

Blatant liberal extremist....




Why does he get special permission because he witnessed his children dying?
What about a father whose daughter was brutally raped? He was not there, but he saw the damage after the fact. Can he not get as upset as the father in this case did? If he shoots the rapist, is he wrong then?

Is he required to witness the act first?


Whats the fucking difference?


No seriously, you guys are sitting here condoning murder because it was vigilante justice...and then you're telling me that its different from another situation because I was not there to witness.
it.


And shame on you for once again bringing your P&N bullshit into this forum.

Because there exists in most people a shared empathy for our reptile selves. At our core we are emotional beings, and there are certain things that can trigger emotions so strong that no amount of human willpower can resist.

Let's put it this way. Were it possible both you and the father were the fathers, and there, and his response was what it was, and yours was the restraint you advocate, I would forever after find YOU cold, abnormal, and scary, where I would find the "murderer", normal and completely sympathetic.

I find your arguments hollow. I find your high horse rather shallow. I find your morals rather twisted. I find your character distasteful.

I can't recall the last time someone has rubbed me so wrongly.

 

[SheHateMe]

I find your arguments hollow. I find your high horse rather shallow. I find your morals rather twisted. I find your character distasteful.

High horse? I am really sorry I can't get on the father's team because I don't agree with his actions. I will never approve of vigilante justice.

Morals twisted? In what way? Please tell me how twisted my morals are because I wouldn't murder the driver.

Character distasteful? OK.

As stated before, I am sad that his children died in front of him. But I will NOT commend him for murdering someone. Never. If that means I lack empathy... *shurg*


But, I AM just a blatant liberal extremist. Maybe, if I was more Conservative, I could find it in my heart to support the father in his actions. But, I just cannot.

I can't recall the last time someone has rubbed me so wrongly.

Sorry you feel that way.

 

[RPD]

Because there exists in most people a shared empathy for our reptile selves. At our core we are emotional beings, and there are certain things that can trigger emotions so strong that no amount of human willpower can resist.

Let's put it this way. Were it possible both you and the father were the fathers, and there, and his response was what it was, and yours was the restraint you advocate, I would forever after find YOU cold, abnormal, and scary, where I would find the "murderer", normal and completely sympathetic.

I find your arguments hollow. I find your high horse rather shallow. I find your morals rather twisted. I find your character distasteful.

I can't recall the last time someone has rubbed me so wrongly.

Remember in his head, watching your two sons being killed in front of you is the EXACT same as hearing about your Great Aunt being assaulted, shot and living. Both those situations, people involved and their respective relationships both genetically and spacial to the events are the same.

 

[SheHateMe]

Watching your two sons being killed in front of you is the EXACT same as your Great Aunt being assaulted, shot and living. Both those situations, people involved and their respective relationships both genetically and spacial to the events are the same.

So, one event, one relationship trumps the other and in one case it is OK for me to execute the perp but in another it is not? Is his grief greater than mine? His sadness more significant? His reason for doing so more rational?

Why? Please explain. I am dying to hear.

 

[waggy]

Remember in his head, watching your two sons being killed in front of you is the EXACT same as hearing about your Great Aunt being assaulted, shot and living. Both those situations, people involved and their respective relationships both genetically and spacial to the events are the same.

whaaa?

don't think so. only someone with a pea sized brain, mentally retarded and just fucked up in the head would think that watching your 2 sons get killes is the same as a GREAT AUNT be shot and live.

 

[SheHateMe]

whaaa?

don't think so. only someone with a pea sized brain, mentally retarded and just fucked up in the head would think that watching your 2 sons get killes is the same as a GREAT AUNT be shot and live.

I see, GREAT AUNT must be in caps because that is less important than a child dying. :hmm:

Yes, she lived. How does that make anything different. Is his sadness felt greater than mine? She could have died. It was a miracle that she didn't and SO WHAT? How does that make his situation different?

Just lay it out for me. In which cases is vigilante justice OK and which cases is it NOT?


Nice insults by the way. You guys are really good at this.

 

[RPD]

So, one event, one relationship trumps the other and in one case it is OK for me to execute the perp but in another it is not?

Why? Please explain. I am dying to hear.

See this is were context is important. You claim that somehow about hearing about an event that happened to your great Aunt is the same as what happened here.

Were you by your Aunt's side while this happened, did she die, is she also TWO people now?

I realize dealing with you, this is probably rhetorical; but do I really need to continue pointing out your fail logic?

 

[SheHateMe]

See this is were context is important. You claim that somehow about hearing about an event that happened to your great Aunt is the same as what happened here.

Were you by your Aunt's side while this happened, did she die, is she also TWO people now?

I realize dealing with you, this is probably rhetorical; but do I really need to continue pointing out your fail logic?

No, I wasn't with her when she was shot in her sleep. If I was, perhaps we both would have been shot. No, she didn't die..but she could have because he was trying to kill her. You;re right, I wasn't there...but I WAS there when the doctors came in to explain her injuries and how close she came to being killed, where the bullets hit, and what bones were broken, etc.

No, she is not two people. Never said she was.



Shit happens to peoples' family members everyday. Things done to them by bad people. You're telling me that one case trumps another. So, if two dead kids aren't involved...what needs to happen for it to be legitimate?

When is it okay to carry out vigilante justice and when is it not ok?

 

[RPD]

No, I wasn't with her when she was shot in her sleep. If I was, perhaps we both would have been shot. No, she didn't die..but she could have because he was trying to kill her.

No, she is not two people. Never said she was.



When is it okay to carry out vigilante justice and when is it not ok?

Thanks for admitting your logic is horrible.

 

[SheHateMe]

Thanks for admitting your logic is horrible.

Keep dodging my questions.


I asked two of you already to make logical sense of when it is okay to carry out vigilante justice.


Apparently, I am retarded for saying I should be able to avenge my aunt because 1) She didn't die and 2) She's not TWO kids killed in front of me 3) she's only my GREAT AUNT


Why won't you answer the question?

 

[RPD]

Regarding your when is vigilante justice ok or not, it can't be answered by a single person but rather by society as a whole. Judging by the responses in this thread, I'd say in this instance most of society would be fine by what the father did.

 

[RPD]

Keep dodging my questions.

Keep editing your posts to add them and not admit why your logic is garbage.

 

[SheHateMe]

Keep editing your posts to add them and not admit why your logic is garbage.

Sorry, not seeing how my logic is garbage other than pissing off 3 of you because I mentioned my great aunt....soo sorry. She's a victim too, she's just as vulnerable as a child. But, her attack (attempted murder) is less significant than the deaths of two children...therefore my logic is wrong. OK.

Regarding your when is vigilante justice ok or not, it can't be answered by a single person but rather by society as a whole. Judging by the responses in this thread, I'd say in this instance most of society would be fine by what the father did.

...and we'll see if a Judge and Jury will think murder is fine in this case.

 

[ch33zw1z]

No, I wasn't with her when she was shot in her sleep. If I was, perhaps we both would have been shot. No, she didn't die..but she could have because he was trying to kill her. You;re right, I wasn't there...but I WAS there when the doctors came in to explain her injuries and how close she came to being killed, where the bullets hit, and what bones were broken, etc.

No, she is not two people. Never said she was.



Shit happens to peoples' family members everyday. Things done to them by bad people. You're telling me that one case trumps another. So, if two dead kids aren't involved...what needs to happen for it to be legitimate?

When is it okay to carry out vigilante justice and when is it not ok?

You ask questions that will be determined by a jury of your peers.

 

[RPD]

Keep dodging my questions.


I asked two of you already to make logical sense of when it is okay to carry out vigilante justice.


Apparently, I am retarded for saying I should be able to avenge my aunt because 1) She didn't die and 2) She's not TWO kids killed in front of me 3) she's only my GREAT AUNT


Why won't you answer the question?

Holy fuck you are one dense guy/gal/thing. You are retarded for even thinking the situations are even close to being similar. Also, if you read my previous posts a few pages ago, I even stated if you were with your Great Aunt when that happened to her, killing the perp would be 100% acceptable AT THAT TIME.

 

[SheHateMe]

Holy fuck you are one dense guy/gal/thing. You are retarded for even thinking the situations are even close to being similar. Also, if you read my previous posts a few pages ago, I even stated if you were with your Great Aunt when that happened to her, killing the perp would be 100% acceptable AT THAT TIME.

So, it is only OK if I was there? What if seeing her all bandaged up and broken in a hospital bed made me as upset as the father? You're saying I cannot do the same thing he did and be valid in my judgement.




Holy fuck. That is an unfair outlook.

You ask questions that will be determined by a jury of your peers.

If some asshole is going to insult me on this forum for not supporting their opinion and telling me I have "fail logic"...at the very least, they could answer my perfectly valid questions.





And I've stated my opinion without insulting a single person, other than calling that guy an "asshole" because I am tired of his insults.

Wow.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So, it is only OK if I was there? What if seeing her all bandaged up and broken in a hospital bed made me as upset as the father? You're saying I cannot do the same thing he did and be valid in my judgement.




Holy fuck. That is an unfair outlook.





If some asshole is going to insult me on this forum for not supporting their opinion and telling me I have "fail logic"...at the very least, they could answer my perfectly valid questions.





And I've stated my opinion without insulting a single person. Wow.

You do have failed logic for comparing the very different situations.

You do ask questions that will be determined by due process.

If you had been with your aunt, I would fully support actions taken in the heat of the moment.

 

[SheHateMe]

If you had been with your aunt, I would fully support actions taken in the heat of the moment.

Alright, so in the event the father was not there when this happened....THEN what he did would be wrong.


Got it. And I'm the one with "fail" logic.


That's all I wanted one of you to say.

 

[RPD]

So, it is only OK if I was there? What if seeing her all bandaged up and broken in a hospital bed made me as upset as the father? You're saying I cannot do the same thing he did and be valid in my judgement.

Holy fuck. That is an unfair outlook.

No it's not, it's called CONTEXT. Using your logic, anyone that ever had some 3rd cousin that read about how something happened to them at ANY point in the past, they could then some how avenge them and claim they had the same "temporary insanity" or blind rage as a father who witnessed, first hand his sons dying. You don't see the difference here, at all?

If some asshole is going to insult me on this forum for not supporting their opinion and telling me I have "fail logic"...at the very least, they could answer my perfectly valid questions.

And I've stated my opinion without insulting a single person. Wow.

Here's an idea, don't edit your posts and act like you've had this long outstanding question. It's been answered, get over the fact you didn't have this question in your post originally and only then to have it answered w/in a short time. But by all means, continue to be upset.