Father charged with "headshot" killing of drunk driver that killed his 2 sons

[RPD]

Alright, so in the event the father was not there when this happened....THEN what he did would be wrong.

Got it. And I'm the one with "fail" logic.

That's all I wanted one of you to say.

So you must be able to size up the same feelings, emotions and thoughts about a photo of something vs. seeing it first hand.

Man, it must be nice, you never have to travel in your life, just use google images!

 

[SheHateMe]

No it's not, it's called CONTEXT. Using your logic, anyone that ever had some 3rd cousin that read about how something happened to them at ANY point in the past, they could then some how avenge them and claim they had the same "temporary insanity" or blind rage as a father who witnessed, first hand his sons dying. You don't see the difference here, at all?

Excuse me. Who the hell are you to assume how close of a relationship I have with someone based purely off of their kinship to me?

What kind of shit is that?

And what do you mean "read about something that happened"? No dear, I was called and told about what happened while I was at work.

Btw, this happened on FRIDAY. So once again, you are assuming things.



You're such a stud.

So you must be able to size up the same feelings, emotions and thoughts about a photo of something vs. seeing it first hand.

Man, it must be nice, you never have to travel in your life, just use google images!

Wow, you're so mature. Yea, I totally said that I saw a photo of what happened to her while I was totally chilling at home...not at all emotionally connected to what actually happened.

Never did I actually have a doctor come talk to me and my family with x-rays and explanations of the severity of the attempt on her life.

Are you really saying its impossible for me to have an emotional attachment to someone's situation because I saw an x-ray and their injuries after their fact and not live, in front of my face?!

HA.



And how emotionally attached are you to these two kids who died? Did you know them? What were their favorite colors?


You're a fucking hypocrite.

 

[waggy]

I see, GREAT AUNT must be in caps because that is less important than a child dying. :hmm:

Yes, she lived. How does that make anything different. Is his sadness felt greater than mine? She could have died. It was a miracle that she didn't and SO WHAT? How does that make his situation different?

Just lay it out for me. In which cases is vigilante justice OK and which cases is it NOT?


Nice insults by the way. You guys are really good at this.

is a Great Aunt dying less important then a child? HELL FUCKING YES. without a doubt and to most sane people having a child die is far far far worse then having a great aunt die.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Morals twisted? In what way? Please tell me how twisted my morals are because I wouldn't murder the driver.

You keep ignoring the part about it's not murder ...the part about humanity.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You are clearly not mature, open-minded, or fair-minded enough to debate this issue. You have already made enough dubious arguments, and glossed over or ignored enough valid points to convince me it's a waste of my time.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Alright, so in the event the father was not there when this happened....THEN what he did would be wrong.


Got it. And I'm the one with "fail" logic.


That's all I wanted one of you to say.

I didn't technically say anything.

What he did was not premeditated, we're back to that now. It's a very simple concept that takes into account human emotions.

Your logic fails applies to your comparison because the situations are not the same, besides the fact that a crime was committed.

You can interpret what were saying any way you want, what ever makes you feel better.

At the end of the day, due process will determine this guys fate. I can be pretty confident when I say that if he gets any parents on his jury, assuming it makes it that far, then he'll get sympathy.

Of course, if the jury if full of people who like to drink and drive, then he could be fucked.

Either way, your lack of understanding of the human emotions at play is sad. You may be a robot, but some of us aren't.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

is a Great Aunt dying less important then a child? HELL FUCKING YES. without a doubt and to most sane people having a child die is far far far worse then having a great aunt die.

Far worse than dying themselves. There is nothing personally worse. Nothing. Can't be.

I would have laughed at an analogy that flawed on another subject, but in this case I just find it repulsive and sad.

 

[SheHateMe]

is a Great Aunt dying less important then a child? HELL FUCKING YES. without a doubt and to most sane people having a child die is far far far worse then having a great aunt die.

Less important to you, maybe.

I have close relationships to some of my family members. Their deaths are not trumped by the death of a younger person in my family. That is an incredibly fatalistic way to look at life.

A life is a life.

Either way, your lack of understanding of the human emotions at play is sad. You may be a robot, but some of us aren't.

I understand his emotion. I don't understand understand Murder and there is nothing you can say that will make me commend him. What he did brought nothing positive out of the situation. Now, he is sitting on hot coals and he still has family left who most likely want him at home and not behind bars.

That is not a positive thing.

 

[RPD]

Excuse me. Who the hell are you to assume how close of a relationship I have with someone based purely off of their kinship to me?

What kind of shit is that?

And what do you mean "read about something that happened"? No dear, I was called and told about what happened while I was at work.

Btw, this happened on FRIDAY. So once again, you are assuming things.



You're such a stud.





Wow, you're so mature. Yea, I totally said that I saw a photo of what happened to her while I was totally chilling at home.

Never did I actually have a doctor come talk to me and my family with x-rays and explanations of the severity of the attempt on her life.

I don't assume shit about your relationship. Again you weren't THERE WHILE it was happening. The fact you can't seem to acknowledge or separate these in your head speaks volumes about your problem solving abilities.

What you are saying is your feelings about what happened to your Great Aunt would remain exactly the same about hearing about it and then visiting her in the hospital, VERSUS being there while it happened.

Again, you never need a travel again, google images and youtube!

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Sorry, not seeing how my logic is garbage other than pissing off 3 of you because I mentioned my great aunt....soo sorry. She's a victim too, she's just as vulnerable as a child. But, her attack (attempted murder) is less significant than the deaths of two children...therefore my logic is wrong. OK.




...and we'll see if a Judge and Jury will think murder is fine in this case.

Tell you what smart guy, why don't you go take this whole thread to your aunt? She'll tell you herself.

 

[SheHateMe]

Tell you what smart guy, why don't you go take this whole thread to your aunt? She'll tell you herself.

Tell me what? That she was victimized or....that her life is insignificant as some of you say?

What you are saying is your feelings about what happened to your Great Aunt would remain exactly the same about hearing about it and then visiting her in the hospital, VERSUS being there while it happened.

Yes, my feelings would be exactly the same. How would being there vs. not being there change how much I care?



Were YOU there when these boys were killed? No? Then how could you possibly care as much as the father did? You don't. That makes you a fucking hypocrite.

You don't really care about these kids, man. None of you really do.

 

[preslove]

If he had been concealed carrying he would probably have a better temporary insanity plea.

 

[Number1]

The father did society justice, which the retarded and corrupted due process legal system this country wasn't able to do. He should be awarded.

Corupted due process!!!! ya like there is something wrong with making absolutely sure the offender is guilty of the offence.

Then there is the small issue of sentencing.

Muslims would love your logic.

 

[waggy]

If he had been concealed carrying he would probably have a better temporary insanity plea.

yeah it's going to hurt him. it really depends on the jury.

hard to tell what a person would do in that situation. I can understand his action.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I understand his emotion. I don't understand understand Murder and there is nothing you can say that will make me commend him. What he did brought nothing positive out of the situation. Now, he is sitting on hot coals and he still has family left who most likely want him at home and not behind bars.

That is not a positive thing.

No, you really don't.

I haven't seen a single person ask you to commend him.

Why do you care about the family of a murder anyways, leave that to the father.

My cynical side begs to differ. A positive outlook is one less drunk driver on the road.

 

[Codewiz]

SheHateMe,

Simple question. Do you have children?

I don't see how you possibly could. The love I have for my son outweighs the love I have for my own mother. That doesn't mean I won't be completely devastated when my mom passes, but the pain and anguish I would feel if my son died DWARFS it.

Your comments about your aunt and comparing it to two of your children dying tell me you don't have kids. Now, I am certainly not condoning the father's actions but I totally get it. And I couldn't say I wouldn't do the same thing. I have no idea what I would do if my son was run down by a drunk driver right in front of me.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

...that her life is insignificant as some of you say?

You have just stepped firmly into the land of the stupid.

 

[waggy]

SheHateMe,

Simple question. Do you have children?

I don't see how you possibly could. The love I have for my son outweighs the love I have for my own mother. That doesn't mean I won't be completely devastated when my mom passes, but the pain and anguish I would feel if my son died DWARFS it.

Your comments about your aunt and comparing it to two of your children dying tell me you don't have kids. Now, I am certainly not condoning the father's actions but I totally get it. And I couldn't say I wouldn't do the same thing. I have no idea what I would do if my son was run down by a drunk driver right in front of me.

pretty much my thoughts.

while i doubt many would go and flat out kill teh guy. i won't condemn the man for it hard to know what a person would do seeing that.

 

[RPD]

Tell me what? That she was victimized or....that her life is insignificant as some of you say?





Yes, my feelings would be exactly the same. How would being there vs. not being there change how much I care?



Were YOU there when these boys were killed? No? Then how could you possibly care as much as the father did? You don't. That makes you a fucking hypocrite.

You don't really care about these kids, man. None of you really do.

So like I said, you never need to travel or meet anyone in person. Everything that you can possibly gleam from any situation, person, event, moment in time, or feeling can all be gathered by simply hearing about it, or seeing a photo or video of it later.

I'm jealous.

 

[SheHateMe]

SheHateMe,

Simple question. Do you have children?

No. I do not. I am only 23.

I have a 5 year old sister that means the WORLD to me. And I'd probably lose my mind if she died. That being said, I would probably feel the same level of anguish as the father, but I would never do what he did.

I love my aunt too. I was never trying to say that her life meant more or that these children are somehow invalidated because of xyz (and actually, thats what other members were telling me...but in reverse). I find it extremely negative, however, to say that one situation and relationship is different from the other.

People feel pain in different ways. You cannot interpret how someone else should feel (emotionally) about something based on your personal opinion and what happened.

You have just stepped firmly into the land of the stupid.

Your elementary level debate skills amuse me. After this, I am no longer responding to insults. You can talk to yourself.

 

[RPD]

No. I do not. I am only 23.

I have a 5 year old sister that means the WORLD to me. And I'd probably lose my mind if she died. That being said, I would probably feel the same level of anguish as the father, but I would never do what he did.

I love my aunt too. I was never trying to say that he life meant more or that these children are somehow invalidated because of xyz. I find it extremely negative, however, to say that one situation and relationship is different from the other.

People feel pain in different ways. You cannot interpret how someone else should feel (emotionally) about something based on your personal opinion.




Your elementary level debate skills amuse me. After this, I am no longer responding to insults. You can talk to yourself.

Debate skills? Did your aunt die, yes or no?
Does your aunt also equal the same emotional value as your aunt times TWO?

 

[Codewiz]

No. I do not. I am only 23.

I have a 5 year old sister that means the WORLD to me. And I'd probably lose my mind if she died. That being said, I would probably feel the same level of anguish as the father, but I would never do what he did.

I love my aunt too. I was never trying to say that her life meant more or that these children are somehow invalidated because of xyz (and actually, thats what other members were telling me...but in reverse). I find it extremely negative, however, to say that one situation and relationship is different from the other.

People feel pain in different ways. You cannot interpret how someone else should feel (emotionally) about something based on your personal opinion and what happened.




Your elementary level debate skills amuse me. After this, I am no longer responding to insults. You can talk to yourself.

You are young, and that isn't bad but I don't believe you can say you know yourself well enough to say what you would do in the situation.

You do not understand the love you have for your children. You truly have no idea how you would react. I have no idea how I would react.

I might fall to my knees and turn into a sobbing father unable to move. I might turn into a fury of rage. I honestly have no idea because I have never witnessed that type of things. And I have been through some high stress situations. I have had a gun pulled on me. I was in Iraq. I have been in car accidents.

Even with knowing my reactions to general high stress situations, I have no idea how I would react in that situation. You THINK you know but I promise, you have no idea......

"Everyone has a plan until they get hit" - Mike Tyson

 

[JustMe21]

The reason why I say this shouldn't be condoned is because it was a tragedy of stupidity and because of that 3 sons are dead. If you were the young man's father, could you say that you would feel the other father was justified in killing your kid for doing something stupid? How many parents out there have kids as young adults that haven't done anything stupid, because yes, even changing a radio station while driving can result in a tragedy because the attention is on the radio at that time.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Your elementary level debate skills amuse me. After this, I am no longer responding to insults. You can talk to yourself.

Congratulations, you have redefined irony!

 

[sixone]

Why does he get special permission because he witnessed his children dying?
What about a father whose daughter was brutally raped? He was not there, but he saw the damage after the fact. Can he not get as upset as the father in this case did? If he shoots the rapist, is he wrong then?

Is he required to witness the act first?


Whats the fucking difference?

No, he doesn't get "special permission". He should have compassion and understanding for the trauma he experienced by nearly being killed, seeing his children fatally wounded and possibly dead.

While your experience with your aunt may have been traumatic, it's not remotely comparable. You didn't experience the attack directly.

 

[gothamhunter]

If more people got shot for doing stupid crap, less stupid crap would happen.