Father charged with "headshot" killing of drunk driver that killed his 2 sons

[ThinClient]

Cool opinion, bro.

There is a system of laws to try to bring some justice(balance) to society. Because a few bad apples lacking self-control act out and disregard the laws, doesn't diminish what they are. Trying to add flexibility and caveats to the system simply opens it up for much worse.

I don't live in the US and I'm glad I don't, because you're right, there is a good chance he will get away with it because the system will be disregarded. It's what makes the entire system bankrupt and corrupt.

Drunk drivers get off easy here. Killing 2 kids while drunk driving will not get the death penalty, which the drunk driver deserved.

 

[alkemyst]

People act like there are tons of DUI drivers killing people. The numbers are actually very low compared to other deaths. Also most of the time it's just a single vehicle accident with the driver dying.

Doesn't make drinking and driving right, but even the founder of MADD has gone on record saying the laws today are too strict for limits and the whole organization has been turned into a cash-mill/lobby.

 

[ThinClient]

I'm on my way home from the liquor store with six bottles of booze on my back seat for my wedding reception on Saturday. You get a flat tire and decide to stop and change it halfway into the road. I crash into you, kill your dog, lose consciousness from the collision, and all my booze splashes around inside my car. Is it OK to shoot me in the head because you determine for a fact that I am drunk as hell?

What if I'm having some type of medical episode where the symptoms match a bunch of stuff from your list and I crash into you? Still OK to shoot me because, with all of your knowledge and experience, you have determined I am drunk as hell and deserve it?

The murderer in this case demonstrated extremely poor decision making capability. It is unbelievable to me that he was able to make the decision to kill based off a sound analysis of his victims sobriety.

Sober or not, the cockbag drunk driver plowed into and killed the father's 2 sons. Fuck that drunk driver.

Also, he WAS drunk. It's absolutely comical that you have to resort to hypothetical situations to argue your point of view.

Do you really think you're going to change anyone's opinion on the matter?

 

[Grooveriding]

The system was bankrupt and corrupt when you let people who drink run over 2 innocent children. What is your countries policy on drunk drivers? Do you let them go like ours does after 10 years?

You're suffering logic and comprehension failure. The system is what defines what behaviour and actions are criminal, it's unable to control the individuals actions, it just defines what is and is not allowed and what the consequences will be.

Emotional reactions do not what justify doing whatever you please thankfully and the ability to control them is what separates criminals from the rest. Or else when you piss off your neighbour by shoveling your snow over to his lawn he'll be a-okay to come over and slam you in the head with your shovel, because, revenge and stuff...

 

[alkemyst]

I'm on my way home from the liquor store with six bottles of booze on my back seat for my wedding reception on Saturday. You get a flat tire and decide to stop and change it halfway into the road. I crash into you, kill your dog, lose consciousness from the collision, and all my booze splashes around inside my car. Is it OK to shoot me in the head because you determine for a fact that I am drunk as hell?

What if I'm having some type of medical episode where the symptoms match a bunch of stuff from your list and I crash into you? Still OK to shoot me because, with all of your knowledge and experience, you have determined I am drunk as hell and deserve it?

The murderer in this case demonstrated extremely poor decision making capability. It is unbelievable to me that he was able to make the decision to kill based off a sound analysis of his victims sobriety.

I had this happen when someone slammed their brakes in the middle of the road in front of me. I had an 18 pack of beer when I still drank from bottles and my car smelled like beer.

They asked me to submit to a breath test which I did knowing I wasn't drunk nor had been drinking and I have a prior DUI from a long time ago.

 

[ThinClient]

You're suffering logic and comprehension failure. The system is what defines what behaviour and actions are criminal, it's unable to control the individuals actions, it just defines what is and is not allowed and what the consequences will be.

Emotional reactions do not what justify doing whatever you please thankfully and the ability to control them is what separates criminals from the rest. Or else when you piss off your neighbour by shoveling your snow over to his lawn he'll be a-okay to come over and slam you in the head with your shovel, because, revenge and stuff...

I like how you're desperately grasping with these pathetic hypotheticals.

Yes, snoveling snow onto your neighbor's drive is the same as getting behind the wheel while drunk and mowing down 2 innocent children in front of their father.

 

[ThinClient]

and I have a prior DUI from a long time ago.

God, you're an even bigger worthless fuck than I realized, having read from other people and your own drivel.

 

[Grooveriding]

I like how you're desperately grasping with these pathetic hypotheticals.

Yes, snoveling snow onto your neighbor's drive is the same as getting behind the wheel while drunk and mowing down 2 innocent children in front of their father.

It's not about the severity of what happened, just what is and is not allowed. If you don't like the law, move somewhere with laws you prefer or lobby your elected officials to have them changed. It's pretty simple, or you can make the choice to ignore them and accept the consequences.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Self-driving cars cannot get here soon enough.

 

[dougp]

People act like there are tons of DUI drivers killing people. The numbers are actually very low compared to other deaths. Also most of the time it's just a single vehicle accident with the driver dying.

Doesn't make drinking and driving right, but even the founder of MADD has gone on record saying the laws today are too strict for limits and the whole organization has been turned into a cash-mill/lobby.

You sure?

http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-driving-statistics.html

Because in 2011, DUI-related fatalities were 38% of the number of fatalities in the country.

 

[Humpy]

Do YOU have all these items in your case in case it breaks down? Didn't think so. (even though you will attempt to say yes that you do). A car breaks down, you push it. This has been happening ever since cars were invented.

You don't know that he did it. You don't have proof. But good job making assumptions.

So even if I drive a van with commercial plates on it and know I can be ticketed for not having triangle reflectors with me there is no way anyone would believe that I am prepared in the event I have mechanical problems with my vehicle?

Unfathomable to think that I would first be concerned with the safety of my children and then worry about my truck? That I wouldn't dream of making my kids push my truck down a dark road instead of escorting them home (50 yards away?) and calling a tow truck?

 

[Blackjack200]

To make it look like some semblance of police investigation was being done? No clue. Like I said this whole case is fascinating to me.

Then why not "find" the wrong kind of bullets? I guess I'm saying that I don't buy the idea that the police or detectives swept anything under the rug. Gun disappeared because that's what you do with a murder weapon. Clean hands? I don't really know anything about how hard it is to clean residue. If it's as obvious as people are suggesting that the guy did it, I suppose he must've washed his hands.

I could believe that the interrogation this guy went through at the station was a little more comfortable than it would have been in other circumstances.

He or the wife did it. But the DA will play hell proving it and getting a conviction.

I gotta say, I'd have a hard time convicting a guy with no witnesses, no confession, no murder weapon, and no forensic evidence.

 

[ThinClient]

It's not about the severity of what happened, just what is and is not allowed. If you don't like the law, move somewhere with laws you prefer or lobby your elected officials to have them changed. It's pretty simple, or you can make the choice to ignore them and accept the consequences.

I'd have done the same thing in that father's shoes. I'd love to see you in his position. Hell, I bet you'd have a better firing position if you were standing on that moral soap box while you're at it.

 

[waggy]

Self-driving cars cannot get here soon enough.

/this

 

[Red Squirrel]

That sucks. The drunk driver is the one that needs to be charged. It seems it's always the bad guys that make it out ok in these situations.

 

[Grooveriding]

I'd have done the same thing in that father's shoes. I'd love to see you in his position. Hell, I bet you'd have a better firing position if you were standing on that moral soap box while you're at it.

Most of us would have the desire internally to do something like that, but, the reality is every day people die as a result of other's actions - intentional or otherwise. It's the minority that reacts like this and chooses to become a criminal themselves and it's why they need to be punished for it.

 

[Humpy]

Sober or not, the cockbag drunk driver plowed into and killed the father's 2 sons. Fuck that drunk driver.

Also, he WAS drunk. It's absolutely comical that you have to resort to hypothetical situations to argue your point of view.

Do you really think you're going to change anyone's opinion on the matter?

Nope!

I believe that you have missed my point of view entirely. I'm totally OK with that.

 

[waggy]

That sucks. The drunk driver is the one that needs to be charged. It seems it's always the bad guys that make it out ok in these situations.

make it out ok? he was shot in the head...

 

[ThinClient]

Nope!

I believe that you have missed my point of view entirely. I'm totally OK with that.

I didn't miss it. Your point was hilariously irrelevant.

 

[Red Squirrel]

make it out ok? he was shot in the head...

In this case, but if the father had followed the law (not shoot him) the drunk driver would be alive and well and free.

Then there's the stories where the drunk driver happens to be rich so they just buy their freedom.

 

[Humpy]

I didn't miss it. Your point was hilariously irrelevant.

That's good to know.

 

[waggy]

In this case, but if the father had followed the law (not shoot him) the drunk driver would be alive and well and free.

Then there's the stories where the drunk driver happens to be rich so they just buy their freedom.

oh yeah.

though i don't think he would be free. then again that kid did kill 4 and get away it because he was rich..

 

[alkemyst]

God, you're an even bigger worthless fuck than I realized, having read from other people and your own drivel.

My DUI was with me in my parking space at an apartment I was going to be moving out of the next day due to the soon to be ex calling her cop friend.

Also I had a total of 4-6 beers that night (I think it was 4 but I don't remember not since it was 15+ years ago) and some how blew a 0.168. The whole thing was fucked up.

Fortunately, most insurance companies don't care about 1st time DUI's and it became just a financially expensive thing; they even let you buy back your community service time at $10/hr. All in all it cost me about $5000 plus whatever cab fare I had the first couple months before I could get a work only license.

I was coherent and did my road sides perfectly. I even said the alphabet backwards 3 times correctly. The dick cop had me doing all this on the double yellow lines of a semi-busy road. In the video you can see the cop and his partner actually jumping back a few times from people flying by.

To fight the case would have me out at least $10,000 and more than likely close to $20k.

I am sure I am a much better person than you are though in real life.

 

[Linflas]

My DUI was with me in my parking space at an apartment I was going to be moving out of the next day due to the soon to be ex calling her cop friend.

Also I had a total of 4-6 beers that night (I think it was 4 but I don't remember not since it was 15+ years ago) and some how blew a 0.168. The whole thing was fucked up.

Fortunately, most insurance companies don't care about 1st time DUI's and it became just a financially expensive thing; they even let you buy back your community service time at $10/hr. All in all it cost me about $5000 plus whatever cab fare I had the first couple months before I could get a work only license.

I was coherent and did my road sides perfectly. I even said the alphabet backwards 3 times correctly. The dick cop had me doing all this on the double yellow lines of a semi-busy road. In the video you can see the cop and his partner actually jumping back a few times from people flying by.

To fight the case would have me out at least $10,000 and more than likely close to $20k.

I am sure I am a much better person than you are though in real life.

So they took you out of a parked car in a parking space in an apartment complex and out to a road rather than just test you in the parking lot? You sure they didn't pull you over while you were driving?

 

[alkemyst]

In this case, but if the father had followed the law (not shoot him) the drunk driver would be alive and well and free.

Then there's the stories where the drunk driver happens to be rich so they just buy their freedom.

John Goodman (heir to the Goodman A/C company) hasn't been able to really buy his freedom. This is big news locally since he lives here.