EXPreview: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 To Roll Out On March 22nd

[Dark Shroud]

Well im sure there will be a card, but to the AMD faithful, no official announcment=no card. Hypocritical of course considering the first rumour of a 7970 means its real, but relatively understandable.

I don't care what team you bat for but let me make it simple.

I'm jaded about the release of a duel GPU card from Nvidia for several reasons. Green loyalists told us there would be a GTX 49x and that didn't happen. Then there were all the so called pictures of custom cards that never happened. Then the leaked image of that GTX 460x2 from eVGA that people swore was the 59x. I've never said a official duel GPU card from Nvidia wouldn't happen, just that until a real official announcement is made or we're surprised with a launch I won't hold my breath.

With AMD is has nothing to do with rumors. AMD actually announces their card models and they have released duel GPU cards for the last few generations going back to at least the 3000 series. So unless AMD suddenly moves away from their small die strategy a HD 7900 duel GPU card is pretty much assured.

 

[Grooveriding]

Perfect example.

This guy swore that the 6970 was gonna be faster then the gtx580, even went as far as to post a 100$ bet.

Then he swore there was no such thing as a gtx590.

Next it was ,mabe it does exist but it will be 2 gtx570's.

Where was this bashing posted? In every nvidia thread there ever was.

So now he attacks my character. :thumbsdown:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31368117&postcount=55

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31368375&postcount=63

http://www.evga.com/articles/00613/

 

[Annisman*]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31368117&postcount=55

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31368375&postcount=63

http://www.evga.com/articles/00613/

LOL, +1

I'm honestly very thankful I frequent this part of the forum so often, the 'characters' here keep things interesting all the time.

 

[Aristotelian]

Here is a better picture of the EVGA gtx590. It has a nice 3 fan cooler.

1) You claim you talk to EVGA higher ups via PM, yet
2) You made a colossal mistake when it came to predicting what the card you linked was.

How are 1 and 2 compatible with one another?

 

[AtenRa]

Oh so many things wrong..
Hmmm...whoever said the switch to 28nm will yield 40% is, well, wrong, or atleast in all likelyness. The previous node switch, 55nm to 40nm, was a cut down of 28%, or in other words, 40nm is 72% the size of 55nm, and therefore 28% more transistors can fit on a chip, in a perfect world. That 28% got about 66% performance increase for Nvidia, and around a 60% performance gain for AMD, comparing their fastest single GPU cards. This is also using first generation 40nm cards, if i was comparing the GTX 580 and 6970, it would be even higher.

55nm was a Half node of 65nm meaning they could put ~50% more transistors at the same die size or maintain the transistor count with smaller die size (GTX280 570mm2 vs GTX285 470mm2 same transistor count at 1.4Bil).

A full node from 65nm to 40nm means they can double (100% more) the transistor count at around the same die aria (GT200 1.4Bil transistors 570mm2 vs GF100 3.0Bil transistors 530mm2)

Usually a full node will get us an average of 50-60% performance increase, so from 40nm to 28nm is a Full Node and we expect to have ~double the transistor count at around the same die size and get 50-60% performance gain.

That means that GTX680 could be at 5-6bil transistors at 500-550mm2 and have ~50-60% performance gain from GTX580.

 

[Lonyo]

The "is that proof enough" was directed towards the people in this forum that say the gtx580 did not exist. If someone saw them for sale at a foriegn site, and thats what was posted by a pro AMD guy, that is proof that they do exist. Why would he lie?

Why are we even disgussing if it does or does not exist?

When the 6990 did not exist, did a million AMd bashers go into a 6990 thread and say. "what card" , we need proof from the president of Nvidia , with a signed letter
with every spec, sp, count, tmu count, ect. ect. ect. ect.
No they had some AMD slides that anyone could have posted and made up, was anything said then NO! NO confirmation no official statement no specs no f nothing. But that is ok, it seems like a double standard to me

Nvidia card buyers are not allowed to speculate in Nvidia threads, that seem like the message the mods are sending. Why would a obvious AMD guy be allowed to come into a Nvidia thread and derail it, argue about it existing, or bash it, or call out certain members?

I just went back and looked at the 6990 thread, besides a chosen few who are now banned ,I dont see that happening.

All is always forgotten when the invisible card releases, just like the gtx570 and 580 and 560 ect ect ect.

SOmeone has to step up to the plate and start judgeing fair or this place is gonna become a AMD cheerleading section and the people who actually want to help others with video card problems are gonna jump ship.

What happends then? You will have one guy posting a thread about his new card and 10 guys telling him how good the paintjob is on it. No one will ever share their own opinion because the cheerleaders will attack them.

Sorry for the derailment, I gota go collect my prize. (another infraction)
Again sorry, but someones gotta have the balz to say it.

Edit: don't waste your time reporting me ,I did it for you, myself.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4061/amds-radeon-hd-6970-radeon-hd-6950/1

Above that is Antilles, the codename for AMD’s dual-Cayman Radeon HD 6990

When AT says it, people tend to believe it and take that as proof.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/...renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market/6
Official slides from October from AMD clearly showing a dual GPU card.

The 6990 didn't exist, and came very late, but it was confirmed by AMD and there were numerous stories posted and mentions of it which had official information/slides from AMD.


There have been numerous stories and mentions of dual NV cards which have never arrived. Dual GTX480, 470, various 460's from 9 months ago, 560s, and the still not officially confirmed dual GF110 card. Or mis-identification of cards which do end up being released (such as the GTX460 dual GPU card).

Unless Anandtech mentioning a card in articles and showing official AMD slides isn't proof (amongst other sites), there's been no reason to doubt that AMD was going to release a dual GPU card based on their new GPUs. There has been every reason to doubt that NV will manage to release once, since they haven't in the last 12+ months.

 

[happy medium]

Official slides from October

Official slides? I can show you other numerous official photo chopped slides with a release date of December, oh thats right those October slides were wrong and it was delayed right?

Nothing officail there.

"such as the GTX460 dual GPU card)."

That card was just officially annouced by EVGA yesterday. hmmmm sorry for the delay.

The dual gtx480 and 470 are now replaced with the dual gtx590 and soon to be released dual gtx 560 in the Q2.
I can't help if a company scrapes its plans at the last minute.

"When AT says it, people tend to believe it and take that as proof."

Antilles could have been a overclocked 6970, nothing official there but AMD fanboy hope.

 

[DrBoss]

You all honestly think Nvidia is going to charge $200 less than the price of 2 GTX 580's...? I sure dont. I expect a price tag of $999, but thats just me.

Agreed. The same low-ball predictions were being made in the 6990 thread.

If the GTX 590 is two 580's (has that been confirmed?).... then its going to be at a minimum, $999.

 

[happy medium]

Agreed. The same low-ball predictions were being made in the 6990 thread.

If the GTX 590 is two 580's (has that been confirmed?).... then its going to be at a minimum, $999.

1000$ gtx590? not even close. hundreds lower.:thumbsup:

Most forum members guessed 699$ for the 6990 and were spot on.

 

[Aristotelian]

Unless Anandtech mentioning a card in articles and showing official AMD slides isn't proof (amongst other sites), there's been no reason to doubt that AMD was going to release a dual GPU card based on their new GPUs. There has been every reason to doubt that NV will manage to release once, since they haven't in the last 12+ months.

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. I figured since your post was snipped and the salient issues were ignored, that I'd quote a succinct bit of it and let it stand in isolation for others to digest.

 

[happy medium]

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. I figured since your post was snipped and the salient issues were ignored, that I'd quote a succinct bit of it and let it stand in isolation for others to digest.

Na the rest was a waste of my time and not even close to relevent.

 

[tincart]

"When AT says it, people tend to believe it and take that as proof."

Antilles could have been a overclocked 6970, nothing official there but AMD fanboy hope.

The AT article explicitly states that Antilles is a dual-Cayman card.

 

[Idontcare]

Official slides? I can show you other numerous official photo chopped slides with a release date of December, oh thats right those October slides were wrong and it was delayed right?

Nothing officail there.

I agree, but FWIW the thread citation requirement was not in effect in October.

Had it been in effect then I think you would have seen the rumors/speculation handled differently by all involved.

Change happens. Look to the future, dwelling on the past is so yesterday.

 

[tincart]

The dual gtx480 and 470 are now replaced with the dual gtx590 and soon to be released dual gtx 560 in the Q2.
I can't help if a company scrapes its plans at the last minute.

I love the meta-narrative being created here. We never had any proof that the dual GTX480 and 470 cards ever existed. Now, the putative fact that there is a GTX590 coming is proof that those non-existent cards actually existed.

Lack of any evidence is now proof for existence.

New cards coming out are now proof that non-existent old cards actually existed.

If I ever run a critical thinking class at my University, I am going to take some examples from this forum.

 

[dug777]

1000$ gtx590? not even close. hundreds lower.:thumbsup:

Most forum members guessed 699$ for the 6990 and were spot on.

Are we to take it from your breathlessly emphatic views on price and breathtaking lack of comment on the nature of the two cores that are going to sit on this magnificent dual chip card that you are of the view that it won't be two 580 cores then? Should we be looking closer to 2x570cards then?

EDIT: The only alternative that I can see is that JHH has decided to play Christmas in March and sell Nvidia's shareholders down the river by selling 580 SLI-equivalent beasts for substantially less than you can get two 580s...if so, bring it on, more the win for us relatively agnostic buyers

 

[DrBoss]

Are we to take it from your breathlessly emphatic views on price and breathtaking lack of comment on the nature of the two cores that are going to sit on this magnificent dual chip card that you are of the view that it won't be two 580 cores then? Should we be looking closer to 2x570cards then?

EDIT: The only alternative that I can see is that JHH has decided to play Christmas in March and sell Nvidia's shareholders down the river by selling 580 SLI-equivalent beasts for substantially less than you can get two 580s...if so, bring it on, more the win for us relatively agnostic buyers

Agreed,

First, most forum members predicted the 6990 would be $599...

Second, there is no way the 590 (if it is indeed two 580's) will sell for less than the cost of two individual 580's for the very same reason the 6990 is not less than two 6970's... Nvidia, just like AMD want to capitalize on there new "most powerful" hardware. Moreover, supply and demand will surely keep the price high considering the 590 will not be produced in huge quantities.

Enthusiasts parts are expensive; end of story. My opinion is that the only way the 590 is going to be less than a grand is if it does not have 580 gpu's

 

[waffleironhead]

Official slides? I can show you other numerous official photo chopped slides with a release date of December, oh thats right those October slides were wrong and it was delayed right?

Nothing officail there.

"such as the GTX460 dual GPU card)."

That card was just officially annouced by EVGA yesterday. hmmmm sorry for the delay.

The dual gtx480 and 470 are now replaced with the dual gtx590 and soon to be released dual gtx 560 in the Q2.
I can't help if a company scrapes its plans at the last minute.

"When AT says it, people tend to believe it and take that as proof."

Antilles could have been a overclocked 6970, nothing official there but AMD fanboy hope.

If you bothered to look at those official slides in the anandtech review, they show 2 chips for the antilles card. So people are commenting on an offical card in a amd roadmap.
Where has nvidia ever stated that a 490 or 590 have ever been in the works?

 

[Ares1214]

1000$ gtx590? not even close. hundreds lower.:thumbsup:

Most forum members guessed 699$ for the 6990 and were spot on.

Im not going to attack your character, but come on, be reasonable here. If indeed members guessed $699 for the 6990 it was because thats around the cost of 2x 6870's. So that actually makes sense. Nvidia selling a GTX 590 for $799 would make no financial sense for them whatsoever. The dual GPU cards HAVE to be high margin cards because so few are sold.

 

[96Firebird]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2146522

The initial guess was $699, then $599, then anywhere in between... Not that it really matters.

BUT, I did guess $699.49...

 

[SirPauly]

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. I figured since your post was snipped and the salient issues were ignored, that I'd quote a succinct bit of it and let it stand in isolation for others to digest.

There was this:

NVIDIA_DEV.1244.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti"
NVIDIA_DEV.1083.01 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590"

http://vr-zone.com/articles/geforce-gtx-590-and-gtx-550-ti-surfaced-in-beta-drivers/11215.html

I don't know what will be offered.

 

[tincart]

BUT, I did guess $699.49...

I would totally buy two at that price. :thumbsup:

 

[Castiel]

Wow look at this trainwreck...

 

[3DVagabond]

I would totally buy two at that price. :thumbsup:

He was referring to the 6990. I assume you mean the 590, when you say you'd buy 2 of them at that price. I think you're safe though, as they'll likely be substantially more than that. I don't think they'll be anywhere near a grand though. Only because of the price of the 6990.

 

[tincart]

He was referring to the 6990. I assume you mean the 590, when you say you'd buy 2 of them at that price. I think you're safe though, as they'll likely be substantially more than that. I don't think they'll be anywhere near a grand though. Only because of the price of the 6990.

I know he was talking about the 6990. I was making a joke to the effect that a 6990 at 699.99 is a bad deal but at 699.49 it's a good deal.

Now that I have had to explain the joke, it won't be funny anymore.

Thanks for ruining everything.

 

[3DVagabond]

I know he was talking about the 6990. I was making a joke to the effect that a 6990 at 699.99 is a bad deal but at 699.49 it's a good deal.

Now that I have had to explain the joke, it won't be funny anymore.

Thanks for ruining everything.

Sorry, mate. Next time PM me ahead of time so I don't blow it, since I'm obviously a bit slow.