EXPreview: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 To Roll Out On March 22nd

[Arkadrel]

that doesnt make sense. if a gtx680 is only 40% faster than a gtx580 then it will not even be close to a gtx590.

Im assumeing ~80% scaleing with 2x 580s (180% performance of a single 580).
Im assumeing 40% performance increase due to 28nm vs 40nm, so 40% increase over a 580 (140%).

1 - (180%/140%) = ~28%

a 590 would then be like 28% faster than a single gpu 680.

But then, it would probably cost less than half of the current 590 prices too.

I didnt claim a 680 single gpu would be faster than a 590.. I just said it wouldnt be too far off.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Whatever this rumored duel gpu card is named I doubt it will be able to recreate the success of the GTX 295.

If it actually does come out the only thing we can know for sure is that it will cost more than the HD 6990.

 

[Ares1214]

Oh so many things wrong...

1. Hmmm...whoever said the switch to 28nm will yield 40% is, well, wrong, or atleast in all likelyness. The previous node switch, 55nm to 40nm, was a cut down of 28%, or in other words, 40nm is 72% the size of 55nm, and therefore 28% more transistors can fit on a chip, in a perfect world. That 28% got about 66% performance increase for Nvidia, and around a 60% performance gain for AMD, comparing their fastest single GPU cards. This is also using first generation 40nm cards, if i was comparing the GTX 580 and 6970, it would be even higher.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/176?vs=162

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/166?vs=158

Anyway, 40nm to 28nm is a shrink of 30%. Just a tad bigger than before. Seeing this, we should be expecting performance gains of around 70%. 40%, at least to me, is a gross underestimation. Also seeing that a GTX 680 should be around 70% faster than a GTX 580, that WOULD put the GTX 680 on a level playing field with the GTX 590. One needs only see a GTX 295 vs a GTX 480:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/168?vs=158

Now, of course scaling has increased, but still, proof is in the past

2. Any site that breaks NDA actually has nothing that is worth putting into the NDA, and is basically making this stuff up. Look at domihaber or whatever. They said 6970 is 40% faster than a GTX 480...uh, or not. This site probably has no more info than i do, and ive never even heard of this site. In fact, its not even known for sure if the GTX 590 will be 2xGF114 or 2xGF110.

3. The swedish site even said they missed procedure and made a mistake, specifcally saying any info was wrong. Now they might be covering their tracks, but this could also be quite bogus. I remember an English site put the 6870 at $210 when VAT was taken away. Look how that turned out. This may very well be a bogus price. But it could also be real. But definitely not as substantative as this makes it seem:

Um, I think thats proof enough?

4. Whats with all the "I told you so's" and "Im going to buy 4"?! A random site gives random info and all the sudden this is proof enough? A random person says "it will be priced nicely" and all the sudden its only $799?! How about we look at 6970 Xfire and 580 SLI:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/308?vs=298

Its actually really pretty close. Id give the 580 the win, but not by a significant margin. 5% maybe. And look how much extra Nvidia charges for that 5%? Excluding MIR, cheapest GTX 580 on newegg is $494.99:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-125-_-Product

Cheapest 6970 excluding MIR is $339.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-554-_-Product

Now, yes, the GTX 580 is around 12.5% faster than a single 6970. Does it justify the 45% higher price? Of course not, but the fastest card is never a good deal. But when you put them in SLI and Xfire, which would be similar to the scenario in this case, its 5% more performance for 45% higher price. You all honestly think thats going to change? Especially when considering, a 6990 goes for $700, just a little more than 2 6970's. You all honestly think Nvidia is going to charge $200 less than the price of 2 GTX 580's...? I sure dont. I expect a price tag of $999, but thats just me.

 

[tincart]

4. Whats with all the "I told you so's" and "Im going to buy 4"?! A random site gives random info and all the sudden this is proof enough? A random person says "it will be priced nicely" and all the sudden its only $799?!

Welcome to VC & G. Nice to have you here.

 

[Arkadrel]

6970 is ~339$ x 2 = ~678$
+ ~15$ for a crossfire cable (10$+5$ shipping cost).
= 693$

vs

~700$ for the 6990 (2x 6970's).




alternative 580 SLI:

499$ for a 580 x 2 = 998$
+ 24$ for a SLI bridge (19$+5$ shipping) (first one I saw and cheapest)
= 1,022$


*if* Nvidia sells the 590 for less than 850$, i ll be surprised, also if its less quiet/runs cooler than the 6990, Id be surpised too.



693$ vs 1,022$ is a differnce of: (1- (1022/693)) x100% = 47.74% ~48%

at low resolutions, you ll see maybe 12% or so fasters speed on the 580 SLI, at higher resolutions, the 580 SLI wont beat the 6970 CF by that much. And it only cost you ~48% more.

 

[mnewsham]

6970 is ~339$ x 2 = ~678$
+ ~15$ for a crossfire cable (10$+5$ shipping cost).
= 693$

vs

~700$ for the 6990 (2x 6970's).

My last motherboard came with the xfire bridge.

 

[Idontcare]

2. Any site that breaks NDA actually has nothing that is worth putting into the NDA, and is basically making this stuff up. Look at domihaber or whatever. They said 6970 is 40% faster than a GTX 480...uh, or not. This site probably has no more info than i do, and ive never even heard of this site. In fact, its not even known for sure if the GTX 590 will be 2xGF114 or 2xGF110.

3. The swedish site even said they missed procedure and made a mistake, specifcally saying any info was wrong. Now they might be covering their tracks, but this could also be quite bogus. I remember an English site put the 6870 at $210 when VAT was taken away.

This is why I think so many forum members wanted, and voted for, the thread citation requirement that is part of our posting guidelines.

With so much bullsht out there, made up rumors and fake bench leaks, it goes some distance towards weeding out the untrustable sites IMO by putting them front and center by name.

 

[Arkadrel]

@Ares1214,

Cant do anything but agree with that. Like your arguments.

Why I used the 40% number was just because of a old artical on Xbit, about ARM makeing some engineering samples on 28nm, and saying they where able to get 40% more performance, ect.

If we do a 60% leap in performance with 28nm... my goodness... even mid-level cards would be pretty badass by todays game standarts.

 

[Dark Shroud]

My last motherboard came with the xfire bridge.

Was it standard or an extended one? Because not everyone gets an Xfire cable or in some cases need an extended one. I have a few lying around but none of the ones I have would work if I bought a 2nd HD 6970 to Xfire. I'd have to beg one of the companies to send me an extended cable or buy one.

I'm in agreement with Ares & Ark on this. That's part of the reason I still don't believe Nvidia themselves is actually going to release a duel GPU card vs someone else releasing a custom card.

 

[happy medium]

4. Whats with all the "I told you so's" and "Im going to buy 4"?! A random site gives random info and all the sudden this is proof enough? A random person says "it will be priced nicely" and all the sudden its only $799?! How about we look at 6970 Xfire and 580 SLI:

The "is that proof enough" was directed towards the people in this forum that say the gtx580 did not exist. If someone saw them for sale at a foriegn site, and thats what was posted by a pro AMD guy, that is proof that they do exist. Why would he lie?

Why are we even disgussing if it does or does not exist?

When the 6990 did not exist, did a million AMd bashers go into a 6990 thread and say. "what card" , we need proof from the president of Nvidia , with a signed letter
with every spec, sp, count, tmu count, ect. ect. ect. ect.
No they had some AMD slides that anyone could have posted and made up, was anything said then NO! NO confirmation no official statement no specs no f nothing. But that is ok, it seems like a double standard to me

Nvidia card buyers are not allowed to speculate in Nvidia threads, that seem like the message the mods are sending. Why would a obvious AMD guy be allowed to come into a Nvidia thread and derail it, argue about it existing, or bash it, or call out certain members?

I just went back and looked at the 6990 thread, besides a chosen few who are now banned ,I dont see that happening.

All is always forgotten when the invisible card releases, just like the gtx570 and 580 and 560 ect ect ect.

SOmeone has to step up to the plate and start judgeing fair or this place is gonna become a AMD cheerleading section and the people who actually want to help others with video card problems are gonna jump ship.

What happends then? You will have one guy posting a thread about his new card and 10 guys telling him how good the paintjob is on it. No one will ever share their own opinion because the cheerleaders will attack them.

Sorry for the derailment, I gota go collect my prize. (another infraction)
Again sorry, but someones gotta have the balz to say it.

Edit: don't waste your time reporting me ,I did it for you, myself.

 

[Ares1214]

The "is that proof enough" was directed towards the people in this forum that say the gtx580 did not exist. If someone saw them for sale at a foriegn site, and thats what was posted by a pro AMD guy, that is proof that they do exist. Why would he lie?

Why are we even disgussing if it does or does not exist?

When the 6990 did not exist, did a million AMd bashers go into a 6990 thread and say. "what card" , we need proof from the president of Nvidia , with a signed letter
with every spec, sp, count, tmu count, ect. ect. ect. ect.

Nvidia card buyers are not allowed to speculate in Nvidia threads, that seem like the message the mods are sending. Why would a obvious AMD guy be allowed to come into a Nvidia thread and derail it, argue about it existing, or bash it, or call out certain members?

I just went back and looked at the 6990 thread, besides a chosen few who are now banned ,I dont see that happening.

All is always forgotten when the invisible card releases, just like the gtx570 and 580 and 560 ect ect ect.

SOmeone has to step up to the plate and start judgeing fair or this place is gonna become a AMD cheerleading section and the people who actually want to help others with video card problems are gonna jump ship.

What happends then? You will have one guy posting a thread about his new card and 10 guys telling him how good the paintjob is on it. No one will ever share their own opinion because the cheerleaders will attack them.

Sorry for the derailment, I gota go collect my prize. (another infraction)
Again sorry, but someones gotta have the balz to say it.

Theres a difference between speculation and speculation with the presumption of reality. AMD fans can say the 6970 has 1920 shaders all it wants, but it doesnt. Nvidia fans can say the GTX 580 will be $799, but guess what, it probably wont. I believe there has almost never been a dual GPU card costing less than the cost of the 2 cards its made of combined. So why should this time things be any different and the GTX 590 be magically $200 cheaper than the 2 cards its made of? Just simple logic here. I was just kinda getting tired of the excitement over nothing here. I did this to the 6970 too

 

[3DVagabond]

The 6990 was announced by AMD at a press conference in October(?). Not sure about the date. Has the 590 been announced by nVidia? Not saying that I don't think it's real. I do, but there is a difference in the sources of the announcements.

 

[Ares1214]

@Ares1214,

Cant do anything but agree with that. Like your arguments.

Why I used the 40% number was just because of a old artical on Xbit, about ARM makeing some engineering samples on 28nm, and saying they where able to get 40% more performance, ect.

If we do a 60% leap in performance with 28nm... my goodness... even mid-level cards would be pretty badass by todays game standarts.

Id expect to see anything between 60-80% for new 28nm cards. This time around Nvidia might not get as much as previous generations. They have already pushed the thermal envelope pretty far with Fermi, odds are they back power requirements and thermals down and get less performance than previous node changes, something like 60%. AMD should also get somewhere around 60%, but i have to admit, the 6970 was pretty darn toasty in some reviews i saw.The extra 20% comes from software, driver, and feature improvements.

 

[Ares1214]

The 6990 was announced by AMD at a press conference in October(?). Not sure about the date. Has the 590 been announced by nVidia? Not saying that I don't think it's real. I do, but there is a difference in the sources of the announcements.

Yeh didnt you hear, it was launched in February!

http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...orce-gtx-590-in-february-with-dual-gf110.html

Anyway, announced officially by Nvidia, I dont believe so, but it was all but confirmed in a driver update mentioning the GTX 550 and 590.

 

[happy medium]

Theres a difference between speculation and speculation with the presumption of reality. AMD fans can say the 6970 has 1920 shaders all it wants, but it doesnt. Nvidia fans can say the GTX 580 will be $799, but guess what, it probably wont. I believe there has almost never been a dual GPU card costing less than the cost of the 2 cards its made of combined. So why should this time things be any different and the GTX 590 be magically $200 cheaper than the 2 cards its made of? Just simple logic here. I was just kinda getting tired of the excitement over nothing here. I did this to the 6970 too

Hey I'm not saying it a bad thing to have some cheerleaders on both sides, it makes it kinda fun and I like to bust some balls with the fanboys its kinda fun. I'm sure they enjoy it to, I'm very friendly with most of them, its the chosen few that are constantly screwing up every thread, both AMD and NVIDIA guys that need to be at least contained.

There is a big difference between bustin balls and attacking someones character and credibility..

 

[happy medium]

Anyway, announced officially by Nvidia, I dont believe so, but it was all but confirmed in a driver update mentioning the GTX 550 and 590.

That was weeks ago and we still have the same guys derailing the threads saying there is no such card and nothing is done about it.

Well nice talking to ya.

 

[3DVagabond]

Hey I'm not saying it a bad thing to have some cheerleaders on both sides, it makes it kinda fun and I like to bust some balls with the fanboys its kinda fun. I'm sure they enjoy it to, I'm very friendly with most of them, its the chosen few that are constantly screwing up every thread, both AMD and NVIDIA guys that need to be at least contained.

There is a big difference between bustin balls and attacking someones character and credibility..

Hey, did you see this thread? You were right again!

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2149247

Of course 6mos. late and after you said the 460 was EOL. All good things come to those who wait, though. Anyway, just bustin your balls.

(You're right, this is fun. )

 

[Ares1214]

That was weeks ago and we still have the same guys derailing the threads saying there is no such card and nothing is done about it.

Well nice talking to ya.

Well im sure there will be a card, but to the AMD faithful, no official announcment=no card. Hypocritical of course considering the first rumour of a 7970 means its real, but relatively understandable.

 

[Grooveriding]

Hey, did you see this thread? You were right again!

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2149247

Of course 6mos. late and after you said the 460 was EOL. All good things come to those who wait, though. Anyway, just bustin your balls.

(You're right, this is fun. )

No, no. You must be mistaken.

He linked that picture and told us it was the GTX 590, twice. Even after someone pointed out it was the evga custom dual card.

No! That's the 590!

 

[happy medium]

Hey, did you see this thread? You were right again!

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2149247

Of course 6mos. late and after you said the 460 was EOL. All good things come to those who wait, though. Anyway, just bustin your balls.

(You're right, this is fun. )

There were pictures of that card months ago, I was thinking they cancelled it for the gtx560 x2, I guess not? I would bet nvidia did not let them release it till the gtx580 sold some cards. Now that a gtx580 price drop is inevitable with the comming gtx590, I guess they let it release.

Just guessing, but that card has been ready for a while. I talk to upper level Evga guys via PM once in a while.

 

[3DVagabond]

There were pictures of that card months ago, I was thinking they cancelled it for the gtx560 x2, I guess not? I would bet nvidia did not let them release it till the gtx580 sold some cards. Now that a gtx580 price drop is inevitable with the comming gtx590, I guess they let it release.

Just guessing, but that card has been ready for a while. I talk to upper level Evga guys via PM once in a while.

I'm just having you on. After your post I couldn't resist. You must admit though, back when you first announced it, the gtx-580 was no where in sight. I do agree though that there will need to be a price drop in the 580 with this. Might have a Domino effect and we'll all win.

 

[happy medium]

No, no. You must be mistaken.

He linked that picture and told us it was the GTX 590, twice. Even after someone pointed out it was the evga custom dual card.

No! That's the 590!

Perfect example.

This guy swore that the 6970 was gonna be faster then the gtx580, even went as far as to post a 100$ bet.

Then he swore there was no such thing as a gtx590.

Next it was ,mabe it does exist but it will be 2 gtx570's.

Where was this bashing posted? In every nvidia thread there ever was.

So now he attacks my character. :thumbsdown:

 

[happy medium]

I'm just having you on. After your post I couldn't resist. You must admit though, back when you first announced it, the gtx-580 was no where in sight. I do agree though that there will need to be a price drop in the 580 with this. Might have a Domino effect and we'll all win.

No offence taken 3D , you are ok in my book, you pain in the aZZ.
At least you know when to quit while your ahead and you challenge me, I like that.

 

[happy medium]

Let me get out of here before I get the evolution8/wreckage permaban treatment.

 

[96Firebird]

Perfect example.

This guy swore that the 6970 was gonna be faster then the gtx580, even went as far as to post a 100$ bet.

Then he swore there was no such thing as a gtx590.

Next it was ,mabe it does exist but it will be 2 gtx570's.

Where was this bashing posted? In every nvidia thread there ever was.

So now he attacks my character. :thumbsdown:

:thumbsup: