Hayabusa Rider
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This is a one of the few good days regarding politics.
Sheik Yerbouti
Lifer
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dank69
Lifer
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Fox News talking points are being shat out as we speak:
Why does crooked Hillary get a pass?
Why is fake news reporting on this trivial stuff while ignoring the real story about crooked Hillary?
Trump has nothing to do with it.
you might want to check the dates on the indictments before you repeat trump's lies.
zinfamous
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This is all happening quickly right now, but you might want to update yourself on the "new" info regarding that Papadouplopus fellow and his cooperation.
MomentsofSanity
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When a guy pleads guilty stating he attempted to collude with Russians DURING the campaign and lied about it the FBI saying it was before... you might need to update your talking points.
And he is listed as a cooperating witness to the FBI.
Hayabusa Rider
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Manafort and Gates- Correct
Papadopolous- That's waaayyyyy bigger because it directly involves the campaign, and as pointed out by another, Papa flipped because he was caught lying to the FBI about campaign and Russian collusion.
Thump553
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For someone who has been involved in more litigation than 99% of attorneys, and who has access to unlimited funds to hire the best counsel (both the contributors' funds he is already using and his own wealth) and someone who can hardly turn around without bumping into an attorney actively representing him in this matter, I don't know which astonishes me more-that (a) Trump was stupid enough to tweet about this today or (b) that his day care handlers allowed him access to a phone. It's like he is actively trying to sabotage any chance he may have.
woolfe9998
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In some ways, the Papadopoulos indictment might be more relevant to Trump than the others. Evidently, Papadopoulos lied to the FBI, claiming a contact he had with a Kremlin connected Russian professor occurred before he was hired by Trump, when in fact it happened after. In lying about this contact, Papadopoulos didn't really do anything different than what Trump himself has repeatedly done. The only difference is that Papadopoulos is in trouble since he told the lie in response questioning from the FBI, while Trump told his lies to the general public in response to questions from the press.
Why are all these people lying about their contacts with Russia?
Why are all these people lying about their contacts with Russia?
no, it's not correct, the Manafort and Gates indictments go into 2017.
The optics of having your campaign manager go down on a charge of "Conspiracy against the United States". If only bad optics mattered to Trump voters and Republicans in congress. Sadly, I'm preparing myself for disappointment re: the Mueller investigation. Bad optics relating to a former campaign manager isn't going to cut it. I know it's still early and lots could change, but I'm trying to get mentally ready for the mundane. I predict a long painful slog with little meaningful result. Of course, we can rely on Trump to react in a way that creates conflict and distraction rather than minimizing the impact.
hal2kilo
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If you look at the actual indictment, seems like they got the goods on Manaford and Gates. Lots of money laundering, and no reporting as foreign agents for years on end.
i feel like pointing out that Manafort and Stone began their illustrious lobbying careers in the Reagan WH.
See how corrupt the dimocrats are? They've been covering up Clinton's treason for 2 decades and now they are trying to frame REAL Americans!
/s for the slow witted.
Hayabusa Rider
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But everything is a package. Considering these are charges unrelated to Trump and go way back many years there's no way to connect this to Trump, unless of course Trump wants to claim responsibility.
Hayabusa Rider
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This investigation is qualitatively different than "everything else". Most here don't like Trump and I have many reasons that he shouldn't be President however my not liking him will not survive an impeachment process. Removing a President requires 2/3's of the Senate agree and that's an intentionally high bar. If however something criminal surfaces then we have another matter entirely.
MomentsofSanity
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i still don't agree with that considering that Manafort had clear allegiances to pro-Russian and anti-American people and policies and that the Ukranian policies were changes during the RNC. it's all still very open, there will be more indictments and only time will tell the outcome.
How soon is all of this going to lead to Trump's resignation is what I'm wondering. This country and this world will be a much safer place as soon as that lunatic is out of the WH.
TraumaRN
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Damn. Read the footnote on the Papadopoulos doc.
That footnote is about as close to a smoking gun as we've seen so far. WHOA.
Raises a ton of questions. If Trump knew it's all over.
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