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Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Why do those people not deserve a tax cut and people that make less do?
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Those people pay less tax, percentagewise, than those making $50-150K, thanks to our wonderful broken social security system. (Lets face it, social security and FICA are TAXES). The current tax system is not progressive like its supposed to be except at the very low end. I would be in favor of replacing it entirely with a national sales tax.

Gee, go figure. We're spending a lot of money trying to run two countries halfway around the world. Wouldn't have guessed a war would cost anything. :roll:
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2 countries where we have no business being. And by the end of this term it'll be 6 countries.

 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Gee, go figure. We're spending a lot of money trying to run two countries halfway around the world. Wouldn't have guessed a war would cost anything. :roll:
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If people are all for the war, why aren't they willing to pay increased taxes to support the effort? Seems people in the US want all the services but don't really want to pay for it. Most want a refund for them. (spending too much time at F@twallet or the Hot Deals forum)



 
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: Rollo
Did the Democrats win and take over seats in the Senate? No, they're in a worse minority than before.

Did the Democrats win back seats in the House? No, again, lost ground there too.

So why do you think when obviously more people are voting for Republican legislators that we would have a Dem President????????

Doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?


Here's the flaw in that logic: We don't trust the elections for house/senate positions this year either. Also, people often vote for the opposite party on legislative positions vs. president to try to preserve the checks and balances system (which is pretty much fvcked right now).
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Here's the flaw in your argument: Checks and Balances is about the three branches of government: Executive, Judicial, Legislature. It has nothing to do with party lines. They taught you that in school. We're supposed to trust your opinion when you don't know something as basic as that?!


Nobody that makes much money wants to see Kerry repeal their tax cut, and some of us actually believe helping large corps prosper makes more sense for the economy than bolstering welfare programs.
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He said the only ones getting a tax cut repealed were the ones making $200K+. I believe him. Even though they are an extreme minority, they do account for the majority of the tax dollars and a huge difference can be made there.
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Why do those people not deserve a tax cut and people that make less do? Why do you want to punish economic success in a country that was built on people striving for it? Kerry deserves the drubbing he received for even suggesting something as assinine as this- this is not Communist Russia of the 70s where the Party gets all wealth.


You guys just haven't had much luck convincing the country your tax n spend ways help us.
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No Democrat has ever matched the ridiculous spending of either Bush. Or Reagan for that matter.
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Gee, go figure. We're spending a lot of money trying to run two countries halfway around the world. Wouldn't have guessed a war would cost anything. :roll:[/quote]

Damn tax and spend, erm... uhh... conservatives..(?)
 
If this vote was hacked, and the election fixed, you have to ask yourself, who stands to benefit the most? The Republicans? The Democrats? George W? John Kerry? NO. The answer is obvious, yet has been over looked. Hillary Rodman Clinton. Prime time for her is 2008. Had Kerry won she would be out until 2012. There were numerous pre-election conspiracy theories saying there is no way Kerry will win. Something will happen to keep him out, so Hillary can run in 2008.

What if we discover Hillary Rodman Clinton and her opperatives fixed this election? Then what? I think we need an investigation.




P.S. The Rodman in Hillary "Rodman" Clinton is a tribute to Jessie Jackson and his pronounciation of her name.
 
According to posts on blackboxvoting.org, the likely explanation for the small county high democrat registration percentages is that people there register Democrat for their LOCAL elections to vote in the primary, and don't really have a Republican primary for local seats, but they really do vote straight Republican tickets when there is more than 1 choice on the ballot. I guess this explains how the dems keep picking such sucky candidates -- its really Republicans voting in the democrat primaries -- in general, there is probably nothing wrong with those small county numbers.

There is bogus stuff in the LARGE florida counties, however. Some examples:

Orange county (Orlando & Kissimmee) if you add up #s for each precinct is Kerry 193,217 to Bush 183,990 Link
The official total is Kerry 192,030 to Bush 191,389 embedded XLS requires IE

Brevard precinct #25 has 135.8% turnout (PDF)

Broward, Dade, & Palm beach precinct #s aren't readily available yet (well Dade is but you need to make over 1000 separate page requests one for each precinct - they aren't all combined anywhere), but indications are problems there too, like the rollover when a candidate gets 32767 votes in individual Broward precincts (Broward has over 1 million voters...)
 
Originally posted by: glugglug
According to posts on blackboxvoting.org, the likely explanation for the small county high democrat registration percentages is that people there register Democrat for their LOCAL elections to vote in the primary, and don't really have a Republican primary for local seats, but they really do vote straight Republican tickets when there is more than 1 choice on the ballot. I guess this explains how the dems keep picking such sucky candidates -- its really Republicans voting in the democrat primaries -- in general, there is probably nothing wrong with those small county numbers.

There is bogus stuff in the LARGE florida counties, however. Some examples:

Orange county (Orlando & Kissimmee) if you add up #s for each precinct is Kerry 193,217 to Bush 183,990 Link
The official total is Kerry 192,030 to Bush 191,389 embedded XLS requires IE

Brevard precinct #25 has 135.8% turnout (PDF)

Broward, Dade, & Palm beach precinct #s aren't readily available yet (well Dade is but you need to make over 1000 separate page requests one for each precinct - they aren't all combined anywhere), but indications are problems there too, like the rollover when a candidate gets 32767 votes in individual Broward precincts (Broward has over 1 million voters...)
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You've got a point here- I voted for Howard Dean in the primary, and I've voted straight ticket Republican for 20 years now. Go figure- Yeeeeaaarrrrgggg!
I'll surely vote for Hillary in the next primary- LOL
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: alchemize
You know, this REALLY is gonna help win the election in 2008. I mean, so many moderates were swayed by F-911 and all the "bush knew" stuff. Carter sitting next to Moore probably gained 2% points alone.

Just wait for another 4 years of this. You guys got it in the bag 😀
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😀
What is sad - is they don't seem to be willing to learn from the '02 and '04 elections. But hey - if they want to continue down their current path...so be it.🙂

CsG
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I think what the dems should take away from the last two elections is that they need a Rovian strategy to win. May I humbly suggest that they hammer home the idea that Republicans (and Bush in particular) are working to hasten the apocalypse and he is doing everything in his power to accelerate the end times by meddling needlessly in the Middle East region and stirring up unnecessary hatred and resentment that will only bring on the apocalypse that much sooner.

It would of course appeal to the vast agnostic/atheistic democratic base while pulling in some of the less faithful Christians who have their own serious doubts about their salvation and whether they've lived up to Jesus' expectations or not. I would estimate a good 20%-30%+ of Christians aren't ready for the rapture and need more time to straighten out their lives.

Ahhh, who am I kidding? The dems have no hope. 😀
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I think what the dems should take away from the last two elections is that they need a Rovian strategy to win. May I humbly suggest that they hammer home the idea that Republicans (and Bush in particular) are working to hasten the apocalypse and he is doing everything in his power to accelerate the end times by meddling needlessly in the Middle East region and stirring up unnecessary hatred and resentment that will only bring on the apocalypse that much sooner.

It would of course appeal to the vast agnostic/atheistic democratic base while pulling in some of the less faithful Christians who have their own serious doubts about their salvation and whether they've lived up to Jesus' expectations or not. I would estimate a good 20%-30%+ of Christians aren't ready for the rapture and need more time to straighten out their lives.

Ahhh, who am I kidding? The dems have no hope. 😀
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I really wish they would take a strategy like that. It is appropriate given our current situation. The DNC has become a ton of pussies and this is the least amount of mudslinging I have seen by them in any presidential election when it was more called for in this election than any other! It's really a shame that they have no guts and it will never happen. Sure people bitch about the mudslinging when it happens, but let's face it -- it WORKS.
 
I'm not quite sure why ANYONE would not want to make sure an election was legitimate for the president of the U.S.?

Do you think it pure fantasy for election fraud to happen in the U.S.?

How much more incentive would be needed for MANY, MANY people to defraud the U.S. voters if not for the billions of $$$ on the line?

Just remember this is NOT a repub or dem thing, it's an AMERICAN thing (i.e., in this country...the voters voice needs to determine who leads OUR nation).

If Bush actually received more votes he should be president and if it was Kerry, he should be president.

Just because "you" are a repub today, you may feel next election that the dems represent you better. Would you still believe it's okay if the repubs cheat to win.

It's really not important which party won or which party may have cheated. Everyone needs to clear their heads and think about the bigger picture and what it may mean for the country.
 
Originally posted by: Budarow
I'm not quite sure why ANYONE would not want to make sure an election was legitimate for the president of the U.S.?

Do you think it pure fantasy for election fraud to happen in the U.S.?

How much more incentive would be needed for MANY, MANY people to defraud the U.S. voters if not for the billions of $$$ on the line?

Just remember this is NOT a repub or dem thing, it's an AMERICAN thing (i.e., in this country...the voters voice needs to determine who leads OUR nation).

If Bush actually received more votes he should be president and if it was Kerry, he should be president.

Just because "you" are a repub today, you may feel next election that the dems represent you better. Would you still believe it's okay if the repubs cheat to win.

It's really not important which party won or which party may have cheated. Everyone needs to clear their heads and think about the bigger picture and what it may mean for the country.
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Originally posted by: Rollo

You've got a point here- I voted for Howard Dean in the primary, and I've voted straight ticket Republican for 20 years now. Go figure- Yeeeeaaarrrrgggg!
I'll surely vote for Hillary in the next primary- LOL
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Yah know...it's people just like you who would make me laugh the hardest if your job was exported to India🙂 LOL!
 
Originally posted by: glugglug
Originally posted by: Rollo
Why do those people not deserve a tax cut and people that make less do?
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Those people pay less tax, percentagewise, than those making $50-150K, thanks to our wonderful broken social security system. (Lets face it, social security and FICA are TAXES). The current tax system is not progressive like its supposed to be except at the very low end. I would be in favor of replacing it entirely with a national sales tax.

Gee, go figure. We're spending a lot of money trying to run two countries halfway around the world. Wouldn't have guessed a war would cost anything. :roll:
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:cookie:

2 countries where we have no business being. And by the end of this term it'll be 6 countries.
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Yeah, we have no business being over there. We should have sent them more planes after 9-11. :roll:

I forgot- you think checks and balances is about dem vs. rep :roll:
 
Admin password on the Diebold/Global Election Systems vote tabulators is "global".
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Your link itself points out that the posters don't know if this is a single machine password, a global password, or a password on a zip file of results. I think you need more references.

193144 more people voted for President than for Senator and the other races. More than Bush's margin of victory.
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Link please...
 
i put as much faith into this kind of B/S as i did in the exit polls that came out at 4:30 pm on election day showing kerry in a landslide win. what a bunch of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have a happy four years.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
What is sad - is they don't seem to be willing to learn from the '02 and '04 elections. But hey - if they want to continue down their current path...so be it.🙂

CsG
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I know. It's amazing that we see the same e-voting flaws election after election. One county that had negative votes had the same problem last election--why didn't they fix it? And why would it overflow at around 32,000--did they realize use 16-bit signed ints?

* Columbus, OH - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said. Franklin County?s unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry?s 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

* Broward Co., FL ? ES&S software on their machines only reads 32,000 votes at a precinct then it starts counting backwards: http://www.news4jax.com/politics/3890292/detail.html

* Wichita Co., TX ? Nearly 6,900 of 26,000 total early votes had ?undervote? for President. Human error to blame. County has software problems that need ES&S to fix before they can run ballots: http://www.timesrecordnews.com...N_5784_3303816,00.html

* Lancaster Co., SC ? Unilect Patriot voting machines were used and failed. Printouts of votes had to be taken from the machines memories and hand-counted: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/o...ews/local/10094349.htm

* Mecklenburg Co., NC ? More votes registered than voters: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/c.../politics/10094165.htm

* Volusia Co., FL ? Diebold optical-scan machines had another failure with 6 machines having memory card failures. ?Ion Sancho, the elections supervisor in Leon County, said officials with Diebold told him that the new, higher-capacity memory cards tend to have more glitches than older cards.?: http://www.orlandosentinel.com...oll=orl-news-headlines

* Craven Co., NC - Software glitch forces a recount which changes the outcome in one race.: http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteP...8297&Section=Local

* San Francisco, CA - A glitch in the new tabulation software made by ES&S to handle IRV/RCV voting (more here) stoped the counting and forced a recount of 81,000 ballots.: http://www.internetweek.com/al...tml?articleID=52200321

* Sarpy County, NE - 3000 ?phantom votes? show up after an audit reveals that some tabulation equipment counted votes twice. (I?m not sure if this is optical scan or some other system? they used optical scan in 2002): http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html
 
Originally posted by: cquark

* Wichita Co., TX ? Nearly 6,900 of 26,000 total early votes had ?undervote? for President. Human error to blame. County has software problems that need ES&S to fix before they can run ballots: http://www.timesrecordnews.com...N_5784_3303816,00.html
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I don't have the time to go through all the links, but if anyone on this forum thinks that Wichita county in Texas would ever matter in the electoral votes afforded Texas or that Wichita Falls wouldn't carry GWB by a freaking 70% margin they are so far out of touch with reality they need to start to consider seeing a psychiatrist for a Prozac prescription.

Frankly from some of the crap I see posted here, there are some members that should be or are on some serious psychoactive meds.

Honest to God are you people really this stupid?
 
I heard that Repubs infected the water supply with this drug called Soma that caused us all to fall into a state of complacency.


 
Originally posted by: Squisher
I heard that Repubs infected the water supply with this drug called Soma that caused us all to fall into a state of complacency.
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I've taken Soma, that would actually work hmmm...
 
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: cquark

* Wichita Co., TX ? Nearly 6,900 of 26,000 total early votes had ?undervote? for President. Human error to blame. County has software problems that need ES&S to fix before they can run ballots: http://www.timesrecordnews.com...N_5784_3303816,00.html
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I don't have the time to go through all the links, but if anyone on this forum thinks that Wichita county in Texas would ever matter in the electoral votes afforded Texas or that Wichita Falls wouldn't carry GWB by a freaking 70% margin they are so far out of touch with reality they need to start to consider seeing a psychiatrist for a Prozac prescription.

Frankly from some of the crap I see posted here, there are some members that should be or are on some serious psychoactive meds.

Honest to God are you people really this stupid?
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Perhaps you should look at your own idiocy first, such as taking a news item out of context, stating your own stupid interpretation of it, then blaming the poster for your own stupidity. I didn't say or imply anything about changing who Texas' electoral votes went to; I'm pointing out that serious flaws occurred in e-voting in many areas across the US.
 
Originally posted by: cquark
Perhaps you should look at your own idiocy first, such as taking a news item out of context, stating your own stupid interpretation of it, then blaming the poster for your own stupidity. I didn't say or imply anything about changing who Texas' electoral votes went to; I'm pointing out that serious flaws occurred in e-voting in many areas across the US.
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This doesn't surprise me. It is the excuse generation that we live in, so it is totally impossible for a candidate to simply lose. It has to be someone/something else's fault.
 
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