EVGA: "DX11 done right, Nsist on nVidia"

[Acanthus]

where have you been for the past months? Nvidia from day one has been harping about its superior tessellation performance against the competition. However it remains to be seen if this performance advantage translates into real world performance increase in games. I guess for nvidia, tessellation wont be much of a bottleneck.

There was a review from computerbase.de on dx11 performance. here it is. The gtx480 is 47% faster in dx11 apps than the hd5870. however this is using old drivers, and i havent seen any other benchmark sites that really looked into dx11 performance between the two.

anand wru?!

 

[aigomorla]

The cards are not selling well, can't blame evga for trying to move stock

ahahahhahaha

yeah when they were about to get launched.. i remember all these places taking pre orders and custom orders.

Then launch date comes... 2 weeks pass by.. i goto my local frys and see a whole shelf of them.

I imediately come home and i ask my friends... what happened to the 480GTX shortages...

My friends all say xfire Eyefinity > 3d stereoscopic SLI.

 

[Genx87]

Im sure that is why if the rumors are true the 470\480 arent selling well. A product .05% of the gaming population uses(Eyefinity). /rolleyes

 

[taltamir]

My friends all say xfire Eyefinity > 3d stereoscopic SLI.

if your friends can afford EITHER of those then they are:
1. rich
2. less than 1% of the market.

Neither of those technologies is responsible for the majority of sales. Cost, general performance, and power/noise/heat are.

 

[Lonbjerg]

The DX11 card numbers tell a funny story:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

 

[taltamir]

The DX11 card numbers tell a funny story:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

wow... 3.5% nvidia, rest ATI for DX11.
nVidia is going up in percentage while ATI is going down. But they were definitely released months too late.

 

[Outrage]

whats funny ?

that of those 6.18% nvidia have a whooping 3.7% and ati 96,3% ?

edit:

there are more ppl with 5970 on win 7 or vista then ppl with a 470 or 480

 

[Leyawiin]

whats funny ?

that of those 6.18% nvidia have a whooping 3.7% and ati 96,3% ?

edit:

there are more ppl with 5970 on win 7 or vista then ppl with a 470 or 480

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with their six month lead time in the market would it?

 

[3DVagabond]

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with their six month lead time in the market would it?

There's that, plus the % of people spending >$300 on video cards is small and nVidia hasn't even been into the <$300 market that long, and then just barely in it @ $280.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with their six month lead time in the market would it?

So what is the point of bringing up those steam numbers?

To show that from a universe of around 25 million accounts (most recent numbers known, I believe), 6.18&#37; or 1,545,000 users have DX11 capable GPUs, and from those 40.06% or 618,927 have 57xx cards, another 39.72% or 613,674 have 58xx series cards and 45,268 have 5970, while there are 29,200 users with GTX 480 and and 27,964 have GTX 470?

Ah, wait is to show that the number of 5800/5700 are dwindling.

But are they?

Well, we don't know how many new accounts are in there, but we know how much the DX 11 share grew and we know the DX 11 share was 5.58%, so lets assume similar number of accounts.

So while in May there were 1,545,000 DX 11 GPUs in April they were 1,395,000 (5.58% of a 25 million universe).

So in April the 57xx represented 43.46% of the DX 11 share or 606,267. In May the 57xx DX 11 share decreased 3.40% but the number of units is 618,927 an increase of over 12,000.

In April the 58xx series represented 41.85% of the DX 11 share with a total of 583,807 units. In May while the share decrease the number of total units increased by 29,867 units.

So by how many units did GTX 480 and GTX 470 grew?

In April there was 6,138 GTX 480 cards on steam. So GTX 480 units increased by 23,062.

GTX 470 in April 9,067 so an increase of 18,887.

So today, 8 months after the 5800 series is out, the market is going 45 5800/5900 cards to 55 GTX470/480.

How many months is it going to take to close that 600,000 unit gap between 5800+5900 and GTX480+GTX470?

If anything, the steam numbers do say "First to market is critical!".

EDIT: And this pretty much the best setting for NVIDIA (well the best is if number accounts is going down) - if accounts numbers go up, due to disparity in total numbers, ATi will be selling more cards.

 

[taltamir]

If anything, the steam numbers do say "First to market is critical!".

It most certainly does say that.
Being first to the market (by a long period) with such a time critical tech is hugely important... anyone who still doesn't own a DX11 card is probably only going to get one when DX12 cards hit the market.

 

[Scali]

It most certainly does say that.
Being first to the market (by a long period) with such a time critical tech is hugely important... anyone who still doesn't own a DX11 card is probably only going to get one when DX12 cards hit the market.

Indeed, the 8800-series was the most popular on Steam for YEARS. They were finally surpassed by the 4000-series in popularity only a few months ago.
So Fermi is probably not going to catch the 5000-series either. Better luck next round.

 

[nosfe]

wow... 3.5% nvidia, rest ATI for DX11.
nVidia is going up in percentage while ATI is going down. But they were definitely released months too late.

Of course Ati is going down percentage wise, they would need to sell some 25 times more DX11 cards than Nvidia to maintain their current 96% DX11 (steam) marketshare

 

[bryanW1995]

I propose the creation of a single, ongoing thread titled "General nVidia Bashing."

we already have it, it's called "video cards and graphics"

 

[taltamir]

Of course Ati is going down percentage wise, they would need to sell some 25 times more DX11 cards than Nvidia to maintain their current 96% DX11 (steam) marketshare

Obviously. And when they had 100% market share they needed to sell exactly "infinity" cards to maintain 100% market share in the face of nvidia sales.
That was really not my point.

 

[Obsoleet]

nvidia simply has moved focus from real game enthusiasts to wannabe gaming enthusiasts.

many companies do so: bose, monster cable, etc.

That's what happens when the hardware no longer backs up the bluff.

 

[Obsoleet]

we already have it, it's called "video cards and graphics"

I don't know why people wouldn't. It's not like they have the best products. In 2010 if you want a video card, an ATI card is probably the way to go.

 

[OCGuy]

I don't know why people wouldn't. It's not like they have the best products. In 2010 if you want a video card, an ATI card is probably the way to go.

Your favorite company is all anyone should buy!

 

[Genx87]

I don't know why people wouldn't. It's not like they have the best products. In 2010 if you want a video card, an ATI card is probably the way to go.

If you want the absolute fastest Nvidia is still the way to go.

 

[SlowSpyder]

we already have it, it's called "video cards and graphics"

When AMD had the 2900 and 3870 this forum was pretty much all about bashing AMD. How many threads did I read about how AMD is going under from buying ATI, how terrible this deal is for them, how they'll not be able to compete with Nvidia because they are so far behind, etc., etc? Tens? Hundreds? Now Nvidia is late with their product, it comes out and underwhelms and it's "boohoo... everyone is bashing Nvidia!" What seems to be a biased forum would very quickly change if they'd release a better product.

If you want the absolute fastest Nvidia is still the way to go.

For the .001&#37; of the money is no object enthusiasts, that are looking at using 3 - 4 video cards you are correct. For the rest of us, the 5970 is significantly faster than anything Nvidia has. Nvidia has the single fastest GPU. I'd say AMD has the best mid to upper midrange (Nvidia has nothing for the 5770 and the 5850 offers very good bang for the buck in the somewhat higher priced segment). Anyway, sure, Nvidia has the fastest for those looking at 4 cards, most of us are not looking at that, and AMD has the fastest single video card.

 

[Genx87]

For the .001% of the money is no object enthusiasts, that are looking at using 3 - 4 video cards you are correct. For the rest of us, the 5970 is significantly faster than anything Nvidia has. Nvidia has the single fastest GPU. I'd say AMD has the best mid to upper midrange (Nvidia has nothing for the 5770 and the 5850 offers very good bang for the buck in the somewhat higher priced segment). Anyway, sure, Nvidia has the fastest for those looking at 4 cards, most of us are not looking at that, and AMD has the fastest single video card.

You tell me for the no money object enthusiasts Nvidia is fine but for the rest of us a 700 dollar GPU is where it is at?

If you want the fastest single GPU performance, Nvidia is it. That is the bottom line.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You tell me for the no money object enthusiasts Nvidia is fine but for the rest of us a 700 dollar GPU is where it is at?

If you want the fastest single GPU performance, Nvidia is it. That is the bottom line.

You didn't say that, you said Nvidia is the fastest overall. You never mentioned the disclaimer about single GPU. In that case, yes, I agree with you completely. No one is arguing that the GTX480 isn't the fastest single GPU. But, it's not the fastest card.

And I never said anything about everyone buying a $700 part when talking about enthusiasts. I said that AMD has the fastest card overall (again, referring to your statement "that if you want the absolute fastest Nvidia is still the way to go.") Since we're talking about absolute fastest parts, bringing up a $700 card really shouldn't be a problem, right?

If you want the absoulte fastest single card, AMD is your choice. The 5970 is significantly faster than the GTX480. If you want the fastest single GPU, than Nvidia is your choice. If you want the absolute fastest on a budget of $xxx, or want to use SLI/CF, than things get much more cloudy.

 

[waffleironhead]

The DX11 card numbers tell a funny story:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

So after the first full month on the chart they dont even have 2% of the market yet? They sure have a long way to go to catch up. It will be interesting to see what next months numbers are, regardless of how little steams numbers actually reflect the market.

 

[Grooveriding]

You tell me for the no money object enthusiasts Nvidia is fine but for the rest of us a 700 dollar GPU is where it is at?

If you want the fastest single GPU performance, Nvidia is it. That is the bottom line.

It's not the bottom line, you put a video card in your computer, not a GPU. ATI has the fastest video card you can buy in the 5970, which is quite a bit faster than a 480.

 

[Lonbjerg]

So after the first full month on the chart they dont even have 2&#37; of the market yet? They sure have a long way to go to catch up. It will be interesting to see what next months numbers are, regardless of how little steams numbers actually reflect the market.

The fact is that their market share is picking up momentum, despite AMD's early lead.

Must be hard for you

Keeping things professional instead of personal must be very hard for you, because you're certainly failing at that here.

-ViRGE