Eminent Domain to seize land for flight 93 memorial?

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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Somerset County Tax Value: $19,810 for 230 acres

I don't know how the tax appraisal process works in PA.

I do know that if Federal money is used for land acquisition you have to use an MAI certified appraisal.

I've been involved in a few eminent domain cases and normally the gov't will go to as much as 125% of appraised value before condemnation and taking (which they will 'file' in court papers at appraised value and note the higher offer).

This makes the land owner look greedy.

Thank you for the facts

Case closed, start building the Memorial, the greedy bastards get nothing.

Does it hurt if a kid kicks you in the nuts when you are that high?

The lack of common sense here is amazing. You have the discernment of wet cardboard Dave-O.

Common sense says that the property owners and Government should've been able to come up with a sensable resolution.

The fact that it boils down to money only makes it an issue about greed and sense is out the window.
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Did they make a memorial where the Concorde crashed? Or where the various pieces of Columbia and Challenger fell? How many other thousands of accidents or incidents occurred where there aren't memorials now?

Your right... the U.S. military should close the memorial at Pearl Harbor as well. No need for it. I was watching the discovery channel and saw a fishing boat sink... where is their memorial?
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Did they make a memorial where the Concorde crashed? Or where the various pieces of Columbia and Challenger fell? How many other thousands of accidents or incidents occurred where there aren't memorials now?

Your right... the U.S. military should close the memorial at Pearl Harbor as well. No need for it. I was watching the discovery channel and saw a fishing boat sink... where is their memorial?

there is a little bit of difference between pearl harbor and flight 93.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You guys are contributors to the reason why America is now a loser.

Will you visit this new memorial?

What is the last memorial you have visited?

I just spent quite a few days at the Chicamaugua Battlefield.

Last major Confederate victory of the Civil War.... nice. :D What month did you go?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: rudder
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Did they make a memorial where the Concorde crashed? Or where the various pieces of Columbia and Challenger fell? How many other thousands of accidents or incidents occurred where there aren't memorials now?

Your right... the U.S. military should close the memorial at Pearl Harbor as well. No need for it. I was watching the discovery channel and saw a fishing boat sink... where is their memorial?

there is a little bit of difference between pearl harbor and flight 93.

Not to mention most of the pearl harbor memorials are done on public land.
 

Perknose

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I agree that this would not be a proper use of Eminent Domain. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.
 

BoomerD

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I'm shocked that there hasn't been a "Dave McOwen visits a VERY Un-American memorial...the last Confederate victory in the Civil War...against the USA...how appropriate" comment. :D

youse righties are slipping...:p
 

SunnyD

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Eminent Domain needs to be outlawed. It is simply wrong for the government to come in and kick someone out of their home when there is no basis for physical damage to anyone or anything due to that property's existence (disrepair, contamination, crime, etc). "For the greater good" my ass.

Of course, since we all basically pay rent to live in the US (Property tax) and don't own the land we "buy" (lien on failure to pay taxes)... this doesn't surprise me. Just another corporate tool.
 
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So Dave, what if you lived in one of those homes that had that F-16 crash into in CA a few weeks back and the pilot didn't eject. If the family of that pilot wanted a memorial where your house was you would be okay with the government using eminent domain to seize your property?

Right. I almost believe that.

Dave you astound me with your ignorance and your lack of rational thought.

PS When are you going to show evidence of your claim to being "the most educated person on the internet" that you no longer have in your sig? Finally realize you aren't the most educated person on the internet?
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
There has already been one tragedy there, lets not make it two.

Eminent domain was not meant for wal-marts or memorials.

:thumbsup:
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Eminent Domain needs to be outlawed. It is simply wrong for the government to come in and kick someone out of their home when there is no basis for physical damage to anyone or anything due to that property's existence (disrepair, contamination, crime, etc). "For the greater good" my ass.

Of course, since we all basically pay rent to live in the US (Property tax) and don't own the land we "buy" (lien on failure to pay taxes)... this doesn't surprise me. Just another corporate tool.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
There has already been one tragedy there, lets not make it two.
Eminent domain was not meant for wal-marts or memorials.
You have got to be kidding.
A country is not just all about money.
The memorial has not been built because of greed.
Take the land and build the Memorial now, the landowners should get nothing now.

Ever the champion of individual rights, eh, Dave?

Do some reading. All the property owners have asked for is an independent appraisal of the land, unwilling to accept the Park Department's $250,000 valuation of 257 acres they've owned for 47 years.

I don't know all the facts in the case obviously.

What I do know is that it is clear that greed is an issue.

The U.S. loses again.

Greed is certainly an issue. Tourist bucks FTW!!!
 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
There has already been one tragedy there, lets not make it two.

Eminent domain was not meant for wal-marts or memorials.

You have got to be kidding.

A country is not just all about money.

The memorial has not been built because of greed.

Take the land and build the Memorial now, the landowners should get nothing now.

Don't worry, Once Obama is in office, he'll take the land for the betterment of the people.


Why does the owner of the land have to sell it at all? Why does the memorial have to be on his land? The Vietnam memorial is in Washington DC, not Saigon or Hanoi. Eminent domain is typically used if it will be a betterment for the community as in creating a higher tax base. A fed owned memorial will not bring in more taxes to the taxing authority.

How would you like to be kicked off your family's land so someone else could use it? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to give up land your family has held for decades and had lots of your own family memories.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: EXman
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Somerset County Tax Value: $19,810 for 230 acres

I don't know how the tax appraisal process works in PA.

I do know that if Federal money is used for land acquisition you have to use an MAI certified appraisal.

I've been involved in a few eminent domain cases and normally the gov't will go to as much as 125% of appraised value before condemnation and taking (which they will 'file' in court papers at appraised value and note the higher offer).

This makes the land owner look greedy.

Thank you for the facts

Case closed, start building the Memorial, the greedy bastards get nothing.

Does it hurt if a kid kicks you in the nuts when you are that high?

The lack of common sense here is amazing. You have the discernment of wet cardboard Dave-O.

Common sense says that the property owners and Government should've been able to come up with a sensable resolution.

The fact that it boils down to money only makes it an issue about greed and sense is out the window.


of course it comes down to money. the guy (or his family) payed money for that property. it is worth a lot.

he offered to sale it. they refused.


the family's that want it are just as greedy as the guy with the property. they want it ALL for nearly nothing. Fuck em they are not any more special then anyone here on the board that has had family die. they have already got far more then they deserve.


 

Malfeas

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IMO most memorials are nothing more than scams used by politicians to line the pockets of their constituents.

"Vote for this or you are an uncaring, unamerican, SOB who likes to drown puppies. (By the way all construction is performed by my brother-in-laws company with a 400% profit margin built in, and is already projected to go 200% overbudget.)"
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Eminent Domain needs to be outlawed. It is simply wrong for the government to come in and kick someone out of their home when there is no basis for physical damage to anyone or anything due to that property's existence (disrepair, contamination, crime, etc). "For the greater good" my ass.

Of course, since we all basically pay rent to live in the US (Property tax) and don't own the land we "buy" (lien on failure to pay taxes)... this doesn't surprise me. Just another corporate tool.

Eminent domain is abused by our government, but good luck routing a road without it.
 

Descartes

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If we're going to talk about the point behind a memorial, I really think we need to reevaluate the importance we put behind all memories, including cemeteries. There is a lot of land being used for memorials for the individual, and American culture simply dictates that tragedies that affect more people get greater memorials. Nothing new there.

That said, to hell with eminent domain and taking this land. I don't care if it is greed. I don't care if Madoff owned the land and he was asking $1B per acre.

Finally, in closing, when will people just start ignoring Dave? I swear half of the responses in P&N are to argue the same nonsense with the same silly people, and it's clear they love it.
 

EagleKeeper

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Is the size of the land area due to the debris field? Why so much?
Look at the area that any monument in DC takes up.