Eminent Domain to seize land for flight 93 memorial?

[kevnich2]

This to me is an inappropriate use of eminent domain. It wasn't designed for things like this at all, but to take land deemed for things such as public utilities, roads, highways, etc. And as others have said, why such a large piece of land, you don't need thousands of acres for a memorial, you barely even need 1.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
There has already been one tragedy there, lets not make it two.

Eminent domain was not meant for wal-marts or memorials.

You have got to be kidding.

A country is not just all about money.

The memorial has not been built because of greed.

Take the land and build the Memorial now, the landowners should get nothing now.

And if an individual owned the land, you'd be on the opposite side. :laugh:

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
1000 an acre sounds low even for north dakota farmland, no doubt Pennsylvania land

I'm not surprised you go for greed.

You're the one who wants to steal land from private owner. That makes you the greedy one.

You guys are contributors to the reason why America is now a loser.

Because we don't drink the communist kool-aid?

 

[dualsmp]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
Did they make a memorial where the Concorde crashed? Or where the various pieces of Columbia and Challenger fell? How many other thousands of accidents or incidents occurred where there aren't memorials now?

I agree, if we start memorializing every tragedy you couldn't drive ten feet down the road without running into a new memorial site. How bout we start memorializing every car wreck where someone tragically dies? Is someones death in a car accident any less important than those on a hijacked plane?

Memorials have their place but seizing someones land using eminent domain for a memorial is pretty outrageous.

 

[Eeezee]

Also, WHY DO THEY NEED 2200 ACRES FOR THIS MEMORIAL?!?! Do you have any idea how excessive that is???

The National WWII Memorial is 7.4 acres. Arlington National Cemetery is 624 acres and it contains 300,000 dead soldiers from the American Revolution to present.

WTF

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Also, WHY DO THEY NEED 2200 ACRES FOR THIS MEMORIAL?!?! Do you have any idea how excessive that is???

WTF

America likes it big!! Big cars, big houses, big mac, big everything!!!

 

[venkman]

Eminent Domain is a simple problem to solve.

Just force the company/govt invoking Eminent Domain pay 2-3x fair market value for the property or negotiate their own terms without Eminent Domain.

 

[LumbergTech]

land owner shouldn't be forced to give up their land for this..

just plain ridiculous..they can put the memorial elsewhere

 

[halik]

Why the hell do you need 3.x square miles for a freaking memorial?

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: badkarma1399

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Somerset County Tax Value: $19,810 for 230 acres

I don't know how the tax appraisal process works in PA.

I do know that if Federal money is used for land acquisition you have to use an MAI certified appraisal.

I've been involved in a few eminent domain cases and normally the gov't will go to as much as 125% of appraised value before condemnation and taking (which they will 'file' in court papers at appraised value and note the higher offer).

This makes the land owner look greedy.

Thank you for the facts

Case closed, start building the Memorial, the greedy bastards get nothing.

The terrorists who hijacked the plane would love to see American rights stripped away. Isn't it ironic that a memorial--built to remember those who died from such terrorists--was built by stripping American rights away?

Why do they need a 2200 acre memorial anyway? Thats a huge tract of land. This is a prime example of the government using its clout to trump individual rights.

Quoted for the self-evident truth. Crack pots like dmcowen should read the above very carefully.

 

[dualsmp]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech
land owner shouldn't be forced to give up their land for this..

just plain ridiculous..they can put the memorial elsewhere

Having the memorial at the local town's city hall seems reasonable and prudent. No one has their land stolen and the family members have a memorial to visit.

But then again the words "reasonable" and "prudent" usually don't pertain to anything relating to the government for some reason. "Excessive" and "overbearing" usually do though. :disgust:

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Fuck this...it's the site of a plane crash...nothing more.

True, the plane was apparently one of the hijacked planes on the day of the 9-11 attacks, but that's it.

It's JUST a plane crash site...no memorial needed...no emminent domain should be used.

i agree with this post.

 

[aphex]

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Fuck this...it's the site of a plane crash...nothing more.

True, the plane was apparently one of the hijacked planes on the day of the 9-11 attacks, but that's it.

It's JUST a plane crash site...no memorial needed...no emminent domain should be used.

i agree with this post.

Agree 100% as well.

 

[cyclohexane]

this is complete bullshit.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
There has already been one tragedy there, lets not make it two.
Eminent domain was not meant for wal-marts or memorials.

You have got to be kidding.
A country is not just all about money.
The memorial has not been built because of greed.
Take the land and build the Memorial now, the landowners should get nothing now.

Ever the champion of individual rights, eh, Dave?
Do some reading. All the property owners have asked for is an independent appraisal of the land, unwilling to accept the Park Department's $250,000 valuation of 257 acres they've owned for 47 years.

Somerset County Tax Value: $19,810 for 230 acres

I don't know how the tax appraisal process works in PA.

I do know that if Federal money is used for land acquisition you have to use an MAI certified appraisal.

I've been involved in a few eminent domain cases and normally the gov't will go to as much as 125% of appraised value before condemnation and taking (which they will 'file' in court papers at appraised value and note the higher offer).

This makes the land owner look greedy. And the reason a higher offer is conditionally made is in most areas the gov't will be obligated to pay 'reasonable' attorney fees (normally 18-20% around here) to the owners of the land if the case goes to court.

I dunno about farm land or other land. My house (in PA) was appraised at 60% of the price we paid the builder.

If that appraisal is similar then the owner is actually losing money at a 125% offer.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
1000 an acre sounds low even for north dakota farmland, no doubt Pennsylvania land

I'm not surprised you go for greed.

what the hell have i ever done? God your a fucking moron.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
Also, WHY DO THEY NEED 2200 ACRES FOR THIS MEMORIAL?!?! Do you have any idea how excessive that is???

The National WWII Memorial is 7.4 acres. Arlington National Cemetery is 624 acres and it contains 300,000 dead soldiers from the American Revolution to present.

WTF

agreeing with this.

seriously, this is a fucking plain crash sight, big fucking deal.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You guys are contributors to the reason why America is now a loser.

Will you visit this new memorial?

What is the last memorial you have visited?

 

[AreaCode7O7]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
There has already been one tragedy there, lets not make it two.
Eminent domain was not meant for wal-marts or memorials.

You have got to be kidding.
A country is not just all about money.
The memorial has not been built because of greed.
Take the land and build the Memorial now, the landowners should get nothing now.

Ever the champion of individual rights, eh, Dave?

Do some reading. All the property owners have asked for is an independent appraisal of the land, unwilling to accept the Park Department's $250,000 valuation of 257 acres they've owned for 47 years.

I don't know all the facts in the case obviously.

What I do know is that it is clear that greed is an issue.

The U.S. loses again.

Hate to tell you but being greedy is their right. Their property, their choice. What makes this country great is the respect for individual rights, even when it doesn't necessarily make everyone happy.

 

[AreaCode7O7]

"I think the rest of the family members and I feel there is no point at which we will stop," White said. "Whatever it takes. As long as it takes. Whoever it takes. To do anything less would be doing a disservice to those that we love."

"No point at which we'll stop to get our way." Gee, that sounds like the hijackers.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Somerset County Tax Value: $19,810 for 230 acres

I don't know how the tax appraisal process works in PA.

I do know that if Federal money is used for land acquisition you have to use an MAI certified appraisal.

I've been involved in a few eminent domain cases and normally the gov't will go to as much as 125% of appraised value before condemnation and taking (which they will 'file' in court papers at appraised value and note the higher offer).

This makes the land owner look greedy.

Thank you for the facts

Case closed, start building the Memorial, the greedy bastards get nothing.

Does it hurt if a kid kicks you in the nuts when you are that high?

The lack of common sense here is amazing. You have the discernment of wet cardboard Dave-O.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
Fuck this...it's the site of a plane crash...nothing more.

True, the plane was apparently one of the hijacked planes on the day of the 9-11 attacks, but that's it.

It's JUST a plane crash site...no memorial needed...no emminent domain should be used.

Your assessment Boomer is dead on. Dave?s ideals of taking property by force at whim should be reason enough to lock him up.

 

[Jaskalas]

If you guys want a PROPER memorial in response to 9-11, elect leaders who will stamp out Islamic extremism on our soil. Otherwise you'll just have more memorials to build later, which to me is nothing more than a desecration if you?ve not yet stemmed the source of our deaths.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
There has already been one tragedy there, lets not make it two.

Eminent domain was not meant for wal-marts or memorials.

You have got to be kidding.

A country is not just all about money.

The memorial has not been built because of greed.

Take the land and build the Memorial now, the landowners should get nothing now.

so generous of you, to be so selfless with someone else's land.

 

[fallout man]

I hear they're planning to install a water theme park (filled with tears of sacrifice) and a roller-coaster (to symbolize the emotional roller-coaster of loss the families experienced, of course). There will also be a haunted gondola ride filled with mechanical Taliban. We shall call it "Freedom World."

Memorial Day weekend ticket holders get "buy one get one free" Freedom fries coupon.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
You guys are contributors to the reason why America is now a loser.

Will you visit this new memorial?

What is the last memorial you have visited?

I just spent quite a few days at the Chicamaugua Battlefield.