Elon Musk now owns 9.2% of twitter...update.. will soon be the sole owner as Board of Directors accepts his purchase offer

[fskimospy]

But it's Okay to live in a cobbled together shelter on the sidewalk in a commercial zone then piss, shit, get high on drugs?

Still insane. The city needs to clean up its own backyard first. But we all know they just want to make Musk miserable.

I couldn't give two shits about Musk or his Twitter Media, but to point fingers at him for a place to sleep for his employees while allowing the slums on the streets is just silly.

I agree that San Francisco’s housing policy is bad. Basically all of America’s housing policy is bad. Doesn’t change the fact that this is not special and would be illegal anywhere. If you’re mad at SF about it you should be equally mad at like Omaha.

 

[pcgeek11]

What do you propose we do with the homeless? Put them in camps? Help solve the socio economic conditions that definitely drive a significant amount of homelessness?

Many have severe mental issues and are on the street due to a lack of the old mental institutions of older times. Reopen the mental care facilities and put them there either voluntary or forced if need be. When these institutions were closed years ago things started to go down hill.

I'm not an expert in mental health, but it is clear that what is going on now is for sure not the answer.

Pointing the finger at Musk while doing the same thing essentially is screwed up.

 

[brycejones]

Many have severe mental issues and are on the street due to a lack of the old mental institutions of older times. Reopen the mental care facilities and put them there either voluntary or forced if need be. When these institutions were closed years ago things started to go down hill.

I'm not an expert in mental health, but it is clear that what is going on now is for sure not the answer.

OK

Pointing the finger at Musk while doing the same thing essentially is screwed up.

Both things can't be bad and wrong at the same time?

 

[pcgeek11]

I agree that San Francisco’s housing policy is bad. Basically all of America’s housing policy is bad. Doesn’t change the fact that this is not special and would be illegal anywhere. If you’re mad at SF about it you should be equally mad at like Omaha.

I'm not mad about it. It doesn't effect me enough to be mad about it. Hypocritical and silly to point fingers at Musk when you have those disgusting homeless encampments all up and down the sidewalk.

You're correct. Any city that allows these slum encampments are doing a grave injustice to their citizens and should be held accountable be it Omaha or San Francisco, New York, Atlanta or Portland.

This is what Musk is reported to have done.





Looks pretty nice for a place to crash and burn for a few hours. Beats the shit out of sleeping on the forward trim tank in the torpedo room on top of cases of canned goods.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not mad about it. It doesn't effect me enough to be mad about it. Hypocritical and silly to point fingers at Musk when you have those disgusting homeless encampments all up and down the sidewalk.

You're correct. Any city that allows these slum encampments are doing a grave injustice to their citizens and should be held accountable be it Omaha or San Francisco, New York, Atlanta or Portland.

This is what Musk is reported to have done.

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Looks pretty nice for a place to crash and burn for a few hours. Beats the shit out of sleeping on the forward trim tank in the torpedo room on top of cases of canned goods.

If that’s the law the law should be enforced.

What they should do is change the law, not give exemptions to billionaires.

 

[pcgeek11]

OK



Both things can't be bad and wrong at the same time?

I don't see an issue with what Musk is doing unless he is forcing them to stay and live at the facilities. I have not seen any reports of forced habitation.

I also think there is a big difference between Residency and catching a good nap at work.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I don't see an issue with what Musk is doing unless he is forcing them to stay and live at the facilities. I have not seen any reports of forced habitation.

I also think there is a big difference between Residency and catching a good nap at work.

what do you think happens with a culture of "hard work" or whatever musk-ism was used to more or less say he wanted slave-drive people.
it sets attitudes and expectations. if your people are that tired, send them the fuck home.

 

[Vic]

I'm not mad about it. It doesn't effect me enough to be mad about it. Hypocritical and silly to point fingers at Musk when you have those disgusting homeless encampments all up and down the sidewalk.

You're correct. Any city that allows these slum encampments are doing a grave injustice to their citizens and should be held accountable be it Omaha or San Francisco, New York, Atlanta or Portland.

You do realize that the only reason Omaha or San Francisco, New York, Atlanta or Portland have these homeless encampments is because these cities can't send the homeless back to the small towns and suburbs that gave them one way bus tickets to the cities, right?
Also, it's still not "okay" to piss and shit on city streets and sidewalks. You appear to misunderstood my point. The problem is that it is impractical (if not impossible) to prevent every instance.

 

[pcgeek11]

If that’s the law the law should be enforced.

What they should do is change the law, not give exemptions to billionaires.

So they should enforce the law. I would be Okay with that too as long as they also enforce the law with the lawbreakers living in tents and whatnot in the business districts. What are they going to do with all those people sleeping on the sidewalks? They shouldn't be allowed a pass either.

One is way more egregious than the other and I don't think it is Musk.

 

[fskimospy]

So they should enforce the law. I would be Okay with that too as long as they also enforce the law with the lawbreakers living in tents and whatnot in the business districts. What are they going to do with all those people sleeping on the sidewalks? They shouldn't be allowed a pass either.

One is way more egregious than the other and I don't think it is Musk.

It’s probably Musk as it’s likely unconstitutional to prosecute people sleeping on the sidewalk as there is not enough shelter capacity to house them. You can’t pass a law that people can’t comply with. Musk could comply with their housing laws, he is choosing not to. The homeless are not the same.

Maybe once it’s someone the right likes they will finally realize how dumb zoning laws are.

 

[Vic]

Many have severe mental issues and are on the street due to a lack of the old mental institutions of older times. Reopen the mental care facilities and put them there either voluntary or forced if need be. When these institutions were closed years ago things started to go down hill.

I'm not an expert in mental health, but it is clear that what is going on now is for sure not the answer.

Pointing the finger at Musk while doing the same thing essentially is screwed up.

And who was it who closed down the mental institutions?

But seriously, mental health is not the primary cause of homelessness. People not having an affordable place to stay is that cause. People not having employment opportunities that pay enough to be able to afford the rent in the area is the cause. A problem made worse by homelessness because no one wants to hire the homeless.
Mental health, alcohol, and drug abuse are symptoms of homelessness, not causes. The causes are a lack of housing and employment opportunities.

And please don't complain about something being 'screwed up' when you brought it up. No one was talking homelessness here until you decided to whatabout to that unreleated topic.

 

[pcgeek11]

what do you think happens with a culture of "hard work" or whatever musk-ism was used to more or less say he wanted slave-drive people.
it sets attitudes and expectations. if your people are that tired, send them the fuck home.

That is your opinion. He isn't forcing them to stay and sleep. He is providing them a resource to sleep. If they feel they are being abused they should consult a lawyer or report it to the labor board. There is also an option to find another job.

 

[brycejones]

So they should enforce the law. I would be Okay with that too as long as they also enforce the law with the lawbreakers living in tents and whatnot in the business districts. What are they going to do with all those people sleeping on the sidewalks? They shouldn't be allowed a pass either.

One is way more egregious than the other and I don't think it is Musk.

Cool start a thread about homelessness and what should be done about it instead of trying to derail this thread. I am sure there is quite the discussion we can have about it and probably many points on which you find agreement

 

[Vic]

So they should enforce the law. I would be Okay with that too as long as they also enforce the law with the lawbreakers living in tents and whatnot in the business districts. What are they going to do with all those people sleeping on the sidewalks? They shouldn't be allowed a pass either.

One is way more egregious than the other and I don't think it is Musk.

Yes, what are they going to do with all those people sleeping on the sidewalks? What are you proposing that we do with them after the police have rounded them up?

 

[pcgeek11]

You do realize that the only reason Omaha or San Francisco, New York, Atlanta or Portland have these homeless encampments is because these cities can't send the homeless back to the small towns and suburbs that gave them one way bus tickets to the cities, right?
Also, it's still not "okay" to piss and shit on city streets and sidewalks. You appear to misunderstood my point. The problem is that it is impractical (if not impossible) to prevent every instance.

"because these cities can't send the homeless back to the small towns and suburbs that gave them one way bus tickets to the cities"

So you are saying all these homeless and mental ill people came from small towns and suburbs? I don't believe it. Some probably, but far from the majority.

"The problem is that it is impractical (if not impossible) to prevent every instance."

The problem is they are actively allowing it by ignoring them. Don't act obtuse, I know you have seen the images and videos.

 

[Vic]

Cool start a thread about homelessness and what should be done about it instead of trying to derail this thread. I am sure there is quite the discussion we can have about it and probably many points on which you find agreement

The problem with debating the issue of homelessness is that too many people are convinced that it is a problem that afflicts only the homed. Their only concerns are they have to see it, and their only solutions are to just make it go away.
We need to break that down and make it about the fact that there is a freakin housing shortage, but the NIMBYs and self-righteous will have none of that.

 

[fskimospy]

"because these cities can't send the homeless back to the small towns and suburbs that gave them one way bus tickets to the cities"

So you are saying all these homeless and mental ill people came from small towns and suburbs? I don't believe it. Some probably, but far from the majority.

"The problem is that it is impractical (if not impossible) to prevent every instance."

The problem is they are actively allowing it by ignoring them. Don't act obtuse, I know you have seen the images and videos.

You aren’t addressing the issue. Musk could comply with the law and is not. Therefore the law should be enforced against him. The homeless cannot comply with the law in most cases. If that’s the case it is unconstitutional to enforce it against them.

Since I know you want to obey the constitution what is to be done? We both seem to agree that Musk should pay the price for willfully breaking the law. If your larger solution is to build more houses I’m down though.

 

[fskimospy]

The problem with debating the issue of homelessness is that too many people are convinced that it is a problem that afflicts only the homed. Their only concerns are they have to see it, and their only solutions are to just make it go away.
We need to break that down and make it about the fact that there is a freakin housing shortage, but the NIMBYs and self-righteous will have none of that.

It is kind of incredible that so many people seem to think the solution to homelessness is ever more ruthless enforcement against the homeless instead of…you know..building homes.

 

[pcgeek11]

Musk is the very definition of evil and should burn in hell, while the city abuses the homeless.

You guys are so blind to the hypocrisy due to your partisanship. The city is so concerned about the living conditions of the Twitter Workers, but don't give too shits about the people on the streets.

Meh I have no dog in this fight. Glad I don't live around one of these city shit holes.

 

[fskimospy]

Musk is the very definition of evil and should burn in hell, while the city abuses the homeless.

You guys are so blind to the hypocrisy due to your partisanship. The city is so concerned about the living conditions of the Twitter Workers, but don't give too shits about the people on the streets.

Meh I have no dog in this fight. Glad I don't live around one of these city shit holes.

Nobody is blinded by partisanship here, you just can’t answer my question. What is your constitutional answer?

 

[Vic]

"because these cities can't send the homeless back to the small towns and suburbs that gave them one way bus tickets to the cities"

So you are saying all these homeless and mental ill people came from small towns and suburbs? I don't believe it. Some probably, but far from the majority.

"The problem is that it is impractical (if not impossible) to prevent every instance."

The problem is they are actively allowing it by ignoring them. Don't act obtuse, I know you have seen the images and videos.

I didn't say all the homeless come from small towns or even the majority. I was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of lambasting big cities for their homeless problems while small towns and suburbs keep shipping their homeless into the big cities. Homelessness isn't a big city problem. It's a national problem where the center stage is the big cities.

And I don't need to see images and videos, I live in Portland and get to witness it firsthand. The scale of the problem is beyond the abilities of police enforcement, and police resources are already overtaxed elsewhere as it is. Given the choice between stopping crime and hassling the homeless, the obvious choice is stopping crime.

I know "enforce the law" makes for a great talking point, but the grownup reality is not so simple.

 

[MrSquished]

Musk is the very definition of evil and should burn in hell, while the city abuses the homeless.

You guys are so blind to the hypocrisy due to your partisanship. The city is so concerned about the living conditions of the Twitter Workers, but don't give too shits about the people on the streets.

Meh I have no dog in this fight. Glad I don't live around one of these city shit holes.

Apparently you do have a dog in this fight.

I'm going to enjoy a night out tonight in the most diverse and vibrant city in the world tonight, and thank God I don't live in some cultureless ignorant backwards suburban or rural, the deserts of ideas.

 

[pcgeek11]

It is kind of incredible that so many people seem to think the solution to homelessness is ever more ruthless enforcement against the homeless instead of…you know..building homes.

Yes, the city should build a place for these people and also a place for the mentally ill.

It appears that San Francisco has no desire to make housing affordable, so building housing they can't afford would be pointless unless you fix the affordability problem.

I don't have the answers, but what they are doing now is not working for the good of anyone.

I'm not going to discuss this further as it seems to bother some people....

 

[pcgeek11]

Apparently you do have a dog in this fight.

I'm going to enjoy a night out tonight in the most diverse and vibrant city in the world tonight, and thank God I don't live in some cultureless ignorant backwards suburban or rural, the deserts of ideas.

Well I hope no one pushes you in front of a subway train or beats you in the head with a baseball bat...

 

[MrSquished]

Well I hope no one pushes you in front of a subway train or beats you in the head with a baseball bat...

I've lived in our near NYC for 46 of my 47 years, and the city is my playground. And have been out in the city to 2-4am many times. My late teens and early twenties were spent at lots of clubs and raves till the wee hours of the morning. And then after that a lot of fun bar outings all over the city, when it was less safe, until 2am. Nothing. Statistically it is quite safe. Nobody I know or met has been crimed except minor theft. Except I had one thing stolen from my car. A hit of ecstasy from my wallet. Which had no money or cards in it, but my license. They just took the hit of E and left the rest.

I've also ridden my bike in the city over a thousand miles the last years. Nothing happened. I remember looking for the burning buildings and anarchy all the right wing idiots were talking about during covid. All I saw were people outside going about their business - no smoke and no ash.

Crime in the cities happens, but per capita, NYC is quite safe. Be street smart and you should be golden.

But I appreciate you validating my statement of a lot of GQP folks in the suburbs and rural areas being ignorant.

They think NYC is a war zone, meanwhile we are just trying to find a good brunch spot and picking from the abundance of great food, music, art, people and activities to do and experience.