Elon Musk named 2021 Time person of the year

[MrSquished]

What you crazies don't understand is that without Mars, there's no Tesla. There's no SpaceX. There's no Dragon. There's no Starlink. There's no FSD. There's no Boring Company, There's no TeslaBot. Etc.

Why do you need Mars to have Tesla and Starlink and SpaceX and Robots? That makes zero sense. We need electric cars here, we need to explore space, we are going to need robots here, we need solar power here, we need satellite internet here. The guy is getting mad rich selling all this stuff that has nothing to do with Mars, he definitely doesn't need Mars. Like I said by all means let him have his dreams, but if he wants to make grand statements about how colonizing Mars is about saving the human species then we can make grand statements criticizing how non practical it is when we can fix so many problems right here on this rock with an atmosphere we can breathe in already and sustains life so well.

I never said we shouldn't explore space, I said this mantra that Musk says is about saving the human race by colonizing Mars as soon as possible is dumb. It's like y'all forgot about Earth.

 

[echo4747]

LIke him or not thought this was quite witty:

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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Elon Musk Calls Elizabeth Warren 'Sen. Karen,' She Blasts His Person of Year Honor

Elon Musk and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are going at it -- their war of words is erupting, and it's all over TIME naming him Person of the Year, or as she would put it ... "Freeloader of the Year."

www.tmz.com

 

[ponyo]

Oh, no! Not TeslaBot! What would we do without TeslaBot!

Seriously, Elon would be the best CEO on the planet if he could focus on one or two lines of business and execute them properly. Instead, he acts like an unmediated kid with ADD.

Every CEO need to watch these 3 videos and it should also be required viewing at every MBA schools. People don't understand and appreciate the free education they're getting on principles of engineering and management. Elon is teaching masterclass for free here. Insane you can get this kind of valuable information and knowledge for free on Youtube.

 

[ponyo]

This is leadership.

 

[ultimatebob]

This is leadership.

As Tesla shareholders, shouldn't we want Elon to be spending less time building spaceships and more time finalizing Cybertruck? I can't invest in SpaceX yet.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think about what it must have been like to be Elon Musk as a child. Brilliant and different, socially most likely awkward. I can't help but imagine he must have realized that people were not only not intellectually gifted but probably hostile, definitely unappreciative of the visionary capacity he has. I would guess he may have written most people off very early on as not worth wasting time on trying to bring them up to speed. I imagine also that he must have at least had some craving for appreciation which can lead to arrogance about ones own now well established accomplishments. Revenge of the nerds. Another factor with Asperger complex is single minded attention, the ability to focus profoundly on a single task. I believe his success has been achieved because he is mercilessness driven at great emotional and physical stress. I have heard him say he would not wish on anyone that they be like he is. I think in some ways he is genuinely sad. And I think also he is driven by a desire to save humanity. I don't think money is anything more to him than a tool. I also think that when people criticize him as indifferent to other people they have no idea how vastly more indifferent he is to his own personal needs. I don't think he recreates and hardly sleeps. I also doubt he has a greater critic than himself. My only question is with the Mars thingi. There is no doubt in my mind that humanity is in grave danger just inhabiting one planet but I don’t (Edit:do) think that if we go to Mars we will take what risks our existence here with us there. I would rather deal with the problem that the enemy is us. Meanwhile I like solar, cheaper access to space, electric cars and better highway infrastructure, better cargo transport, better batteries and power storage, etc. He may be a proper example to point to prove the wisdom that one needs to break eggs to make an omelette.

 

[MrSquished]

As Tesla shareholders, shouldn't we want Elon to be spending less time building spaceships and more time finalizing Cybertruck? I can't invest in SpaceX yet.

Ponyo is in a cult. All he cares about is his money and Elon makes him more of it, so he is in a cult of Elon.

 

[Bitek]

Amazing guy, albeit a douche on occasion... But POTY?

Why? Because he got really fing rich this year?

Bit of a stretch. Imo.

Brushless motors and lithium batteries meant hi power electric cars were inevitable. RC car hobby figured this out 15 years ago. Was ripe for someone outside the traditional auto industry to finally embrace this and start making electric cars for more than pussies and hippies.

For my POTY:

I'd nominate the capitol policeman who led Trump's bloodthirsty 1/6 mob away from the fleeing Congresspersons and prevented a potential massacre and God knows what following horror for this country.

 

[cytg111]

Why do you need Mars to have Tesla and Starlink and SpaceX and Robots? That makes zero sense. We need electric cars here, we need to explore space, we are going to need robots here, we need solar power here, we need satellite internet here. The guy is getting mad rich selling all this stuff that has nothing to do with Mars, he definitely doesn't need Mars. Like I said by all means let him have his dreams, but if he wants to make grand statements about how colonizing Mars is about saving the human species then we can make grand statements criticizing how non practical it is when we can fix so many problems right here on this rock with an atmosphere we can breathe in already and sustains life so well.

I never said we shouldn't explore space, I said this mantra that Musk says is about saving the human race by colonizing Mars as soon as possible is dumb. It's like y'all forgot about Earth.

I think what he is getting at is that Musk is focused 98.5% on Mars, and all the other nice stuff is proxies and amplifiers towards this ultimate goal. You didnt think Elon would try and colonize mars without internet did you? Gonna need bots on mars too. Solar. Tunnels. EVs. So on and so forth. Take away mars and you take away his motivation for innovation. You think he is revolutionizing the rocket industry cause he wants to be rich? Motherfucker wants to go to mars, seriously, your definition of currency bores him.
Am I the only one who knows Asperger people?

 

[Heartbreaker]

Amazing guy, albeit a douche on occasion... But POTY?

Why? Because he got really fing rich this year?

Bit of a stretch. Imo.

Brushless motors and lithium batteries meant hi power electric cars were inevitable. RC car hobby figured this out 15 years ago. Was ripe for someone outside the traditional auto industry to finally embrace this and start making electric cars for more than pussies and hippies.

For my POTY:

I'd nominate the capitol policeman who led Trump's bloodthirsty 1/6 mob away from the fleeing Congresspersons and prevented a potential massacre and God knows what following horror for this country.

Then make your own magazine, and create your own award. While Officer Eugene Goodman, undoubtedly did one heroic act, that isn't what Time's recognition is about, and never has been.

Or you know, read WHY Time Chose Musk. It's well reasoned and explained:

Why TIME Chose Elon Musk as the 2021 Person of the Year

TIME's Editor-in-Chief explains why Elon Musk was chosen as the 2021 Person of the Year

time.com

I know these days people just love to complain from a position of ignorance, but if you took time to read why they chose Musk, you might find you agree, he is a good representative, of an issue many of us are concerned with, like rising inequality. Again, everyone needs to remember, Time's Person of the Year, is not a pat on the back. It's highlighting change, and those at the centre of that change. From Time:

Person of the Year is a marker of influence, and few individuals have had more influence than Musk on life on Earth, and potentially life off Earth too. In 2021, Musk emerged not just as the world’s richest person but also as perhaps the richest example of a massive shift in our society. From Amazon’s Jeff Bezos to Facebook turned Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg, the year brought home the extent to which, at a time of rising protest over ever deepening inequality, our lives and many of the basic structures around them are now shaped by the pursuits, products and priorities of the world’s wealthiest people.

Read the whole thing. It's good stuff. It's highlighting rising inequality, but how the super-rich are rising even above governments. It's not just that he makes, EV's and a pile money. It's MUCH more significant for society in both it's rising inequality and power to shape the world even more than government instituions:

Musk’s rise coincides with broader trends of which he and his fellow technology magnates are part cause and part effect: the continuing decline of traditional institutions in favor of individuals; government dysfunction that has delivered more power and responsibility to business; and chasms of wealth and opportunity. In an earlier era, ambitions on the scale of interplanetary travel were the ultimate collective undertaking, around which Presidents rallied nations.

Basically RTFA.

 

[Bitek]

Then make your own magazine, and create your own award. While Officer Eugene Goodman, undoubtedly did one heroic act, that isn't what Time's recognition is about, and never has been.

Or you know, read WHY Time Chose Musk. It's well reasoned and explained:

Why TIME Chose Elon Musk as the 2021 Person of the Year

TIME's Editor-in-Chief explains why Elon Musk was chosen as the 2021 Person of the Year

time.com

I know these days people just love to complain from a position of ignorance, but if you took time to read why they chose Musk, you might find you agree, he is a good representative, of an issue many of us are concerned with, like rising inequality. Again, everyone needs to remember, Time's Person of the Year, is not a pat on the back. It's highlighting change, and those at the centre of that change. From Time:



Read the whole thing. It's good stuff. It's highlighting rising inequality, but how the super-rich are rising even above governments. It's not just that he makes, EV's and a pile money. It's MUCH more significant for society in both it's rising inequality and power to shape the world even more than government instituions:



Basically RTFA.

Ah yes, he's so rich he's not accountable to anyone and can do wtf he wants.

Thanks, feel all warm and fuzzy about it.

Is this really a new trend? The county/world being shaped by the ultra rich and powerful? We've never had a Rockefeller, Roosevelt, Vanderbilt or JP Morgan?

That's always been the story. We didn't need a massive ego stroke of the world's richest to know that.

Again, what did he specifically do this year to receive it? With all the crap in the world going on... They chose the rich guy, again.

Last year it was Greta Thumberg...k.
Previously it was horseshit about "truth tellers" etc. for two years after they gave it to Trump.

But nothing on COVID?

Nothing for scientists, vaccines, healthcare workers?

The rich car guy tho for getting really fing rich on paper and acting weird on Twitter....

 

[Bitek]

If the criteria is "not having to listen to govts" then Steve Bannon is anxiously awaiting his award. Why, not? Hitler won it once.

Musk has trolled senators on Twitter, Bannon is leading to their destruction and looks to be winning.

 

[Bitek]

This is a pretty dumb nation generally so it makes sense that a stupid person’s idea of a smart person would win this award. Donald Trump might as well finally get the award at this rate.

Yep.

Trump already won the award in 2015.
"You" with a mirror on the cover won in 2006.

Can't imagine why Time is losing relevance...

 

[Heartbreaker]

Nothing for scientists, vaccines, healthcare workers?

 

[Zorba]

He dont want to go into an abortion debate cause he is opposed to what tf Texas is doing right now... Its just that he wants his rockets to fly even more, so he wont burn any bridges with gov... you never know who controls what tomorrow, mafia state or no - rockets gotta fly.

Yeah, compared to Von Braun, Elon is a fucking saint.

I think the Texas law is shit but you can't really expect every business in the state to pack up and move.

 

[ultimatebob]

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The folks who developed the Covid vaccines really should have got the Time people of the year award for 2020, instead of Joe Biden.

Joe and Kamala basically coasted into office on a "I'm not Donald Trump" platform, because that's all that was required to beat him.

 

[Zorba]

The folks who developed the Covid vaccines really should have got the Time people of the year award for 2020, instead of Joe Biden.

Joe and Kamala basically coasted into office on a "I'm not Donald Trump" platform, because that's all that was required to beat him.

They had a much bigger platform than that, it's a shame you never cared to listen to or read it.

 

[Commodus]

Ah yes, he's so rich he's not accountable to anyone and can do wtf he wants.

Thanks, feel all warm and fuzzy about it.

Is this really a new trend? The county/world being shaped by the ultra rich and powerful? We've never had a Rockefeller, Roosevelt, Vanderbilt or JP Morgan?

That's always been the story. We didn't need a massive ego stroke of the world's richest to know that.

Again, what did he specifically do this year to receive it? With all the crap in the world going on... They chose the rich guy, again.

Last year it was Greta Thumberg...k.
Previously it was horseshit about "truth tellers" etc. for two years after they gave it to Trump.

But nothing on COVID?

Nothing for scientists, vaccines, healthcare workers?

The rich car guy tho for getting really fing rich on paper and acting weird on Twitter....

People seem to forget that Time chooses its Person of the Year due to influence, not necessarily to endorse that person's ideas. I suspect you know that, and I'm not saying Time's criteria is the best (it implies an endorsement in many cases), but it's worth remembering before we fume at the Musk choice.

I can also think of a few reasons why Musk would be nominated now. SpaceX sent multiple crewed missions to space in 2021, helping to usher in a new era of spaceflight when NASA and rival companies like Boeing couldn't step up. This was also the year when Tesla's impact on EVs became particularly clear as Ford, GM, Mercedes, VW and others countered Tesla in force.

And while Musk is an asshole who's frequently out of touch with human needs, he's also an example of the great things immigrants can do. You don't have to like Musk, but it's easy to see why he'd get a Time nod at some point.

 

[Moonbeam]

The folks who developed the Covid vaccines really should have got the Time people of the year award for 2020, instead of Joe Biden.

Joe and Kamala basically coasted into office on a "I'm not Donald Trump" platform, because that's all that was required to beat him.

I bet you are so much more than the social structure you grew up in wanted you to believe.

 

[MichaelMay]

This is exactly why Musk doesn't want to get into a Abortion debate because people like you get so triggered by it.

If you are not triggered about taking away the most basic of all rights for a group of people (whether it's black men, Jews or women is irrelevant) then you are either a fascist or a fascist supporter.

 

[Paratus]

If you are not triggered about taking away the most basic of all rights for a group of people (whether it's black men, Jews or women is irrelevant) then you are either a fascist or a fascist supporter.

It’s actually something businesses should seriously consider before moving to Texas.

While the low taxes rates and business friendly incentives from the state legislature is inviting there are now several negatives due to how the state is run.

• Minority employees/executives will see their right to vote diluted or curtailed
• Female employees/executives will lose their rights to bodily autonomy & maternal health is some of the worst in the country
• The business may lose power for days or weeks due lack of political will to fix and regulate critical infrastructures (power and water) from weather/climate
• Those incentives maybe used by the legislature to dictate corporate policy and political support or risk their removal
• Entrenched interests may use the legislature to screw your business

The last one is impacting Musks businesses. Despite moving SpaceX and Tesla facilities to Texas the legislature is still hostile to Tesla vehicles since they don’t use dealerships and EVs are bad for the oil business

• New Teslas have to wait up to 72 hours for paper tags
• Vehicle tax (6.25% of a $50K) car must be paid within 30 days of purchase in its entirety to register the vehicle or penalties are applied - didn’t get rolled into loan.
• New Teslas require a state inspection before registration.
• Legislature tried to pass EV registration fees of 2X - 3X the cost of ICE registration fees + state gas taxes on 12K miles per year (assuming V8 pickup/SUV mileage)

 

[hal2kilo]

Amazing guy, albeit a douche on occasion... But POTY?

Why? Because he got really fing rich this year?

Bit of a stretch. Imo.

Brushless motors and lithium batteries meant hi power electric cars were inevitable. RC car hobby figured this out 15 years ago. Was ripe for someone outside the traditional auto industry to finally embrace this and start making electric cars for more than pussies and hippies.

For my POTY:

I'd nominate the capitol policeman who led Trump's bloodthirsty 1/6 mob away from the fleeing Congresspersons and prevented a potential massacre and God knows what following horror for this country.

Yep. 25 years ago, I saw adolescents playing with these cars that were screaming around on the street, yet their was no sound of the little buzz alcohol engines. You can do that with batteries, these days? I think to myself, being an electronics tech. Technology advances have been amazing in this area. Then there were battery power flying things.

 

[Paratus]

People seem to forget that Time chooses its Person of the Year due to influence, not necessarily to endorse that person's ideas. I suspect you know that, and I'm not saying Time's criteria is the best (it implies an endorsement in many cases), but it's worth remembering before we fume at the Musk choice.

I can also think of a few reasons why Musk would be nominated now. SpaceX sent multiple crewed missions to space in 2021, helping to usher in a new era of spaceflight when NASA and rival companies like Boeing couldn't step up. This was also the year when Tesla's impact on EVs became particularly clear as Ford, GM, Mercedes, VW and others countered Tesla in force.

And while Musk is an asshole who's frequently out of touch with human needs, he's also an example of the great things immigrants can do. You don't have to like Musk, but it's easy to see why he'd get a Time nod at some point.

One nitpick. NASA worked with SpaceX to send people into space. The commercial cargo contract back in 08 kept SpaceX from going bankrupt. SpaceX commercial cargo and later crew contracts helped lower costs for NASA and provided a valuable alternative for issues faced by other contractors trying to meet their contracts.

So it’s been a partnership that’s been beneficial for both parties.

 

[MrSquished]

I think what he is getting at is that Musk is focused 98.5% on Mars, and all the other nice stuff is proxies and amplifiers towards this ultimate goal. You didnt think Elon would try and colonize mars without internet did you? Gonna need bots on mars too. Solar. Tunnels. EVs. So on and so forth. Take away mars and you take away his motivation for innovation. You think he is revolutionizing the rocket industry cause he wants to be rich? Motherfucker wants to go to mars, seriously, your definition of currency bores him.
Am I the only one who knows Asperger people?

I could care less if Musk is 99% focused on Mars. I care that billionaires and corporations pay a fairer share of taxes as study after study has shown they do not and that Musk is a total dbag hypocrite on politics and government. I'll still comment on how wacky his Mars dreams are for shits and giggles.

 

[cytg111]

I could care less if Musk is 99% focused on Mars. I care that billionaires and corporations pay a fairer share of taxes as study after study has shown they do not and that Musk is a total dbag hypocrite on politics and government. I'll still comment on how wacky his Mars dreams are for shits and giggles.

But are you angry at Musk for not paying more taxes?