Edited video costs USDA worker her job.

[nobodyknows]

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201007200058

OP, please watch this, straight from the Farmer and his wife in question, and then please man up and admit that you took the smear bait in ignorance of the actual facts, and edit your OP to reflect the FULL TRUTH here.

#1. How do we know this is who she was talking about?

#2. Even if it is him, he didn't know what her "full meausre" of help was. All he knows is that he saved his farm. More likely due to bankruptcy laws then anything Shirley Sherrod did. She quite possibly could have made it much easier for him except for her desire to have "his own kind" help him.

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/20/the-full-shirley-sherrod-speech/

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, who fired Sherrod, said today that he stands by his decision. The White House says it supports him. The NAACP reversed its condemnation of Sherrod and urged Vilsack to reconsider his decision. We'll find out in the coming days if he decides to.

I doubt if there is ever going to be full trust between the races, especially when one race has an organization that seems intent to play off "guilt" they believe the white people should have.

God Damn America!!

 

[xj0hnx]

There is no need to try to understand where she is coming from. All that needs to be known is that she is in a position of power IN THE GOVERNMENT you twit.
But again since it's obvious you can't read - it doesn't matter is she claims she changed it from a race based thing to a class based thing - she should be doing her job for everyone - not just who she wants to based on her bias.

The incident happened a quarter of a century ago. The only reason this is even a story is because the USDA tried to do damage control before the damage happened.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

The incident happened a quarter of a century ago. The only reason this is even a story is because the USDA tried to do damage control before the damage happened.

If you think the timeframe matters to what I stated then you haven't understood/read what I posted.

 

[Carmen813]

The TEA Party isn't a civil rights group, they aren't even a nation wide organization, it is different groups in different areas with different leaders, that aside they DO in fact speak out against racism, they do in fact drive racist elements out of their ranks (you can find videos of them doing just this on Youtube). The whole NAACP resolution is nothing but a dog and pony show trying to make it look like the TEA Party is a bunch of racist. You can try to deny that is their intent, but calling on leaders of the TEA Party to purge their ranks IS in fact suggesting that racism is so prevalent in the TEA Party that it's a problem instead of the reality that it is just a few fringe loony's.

How can the tea party not be a civil rights group when their entire message is about freedom from oppression?

Honestly, I might be inclined to agree with you because I'm not sure the tea party actually has "leaders." That said, it does have figure heads, and those figure heads don't seem to do a whole hell of a lot about addressing race. To be fair, neither have Democrat leaders during the past year. That's because anytime anyone tries to talk about race in an intelligent manner they are automagically labeled a racist.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

If the video was from 24 years ago, it sounds like she already worked on it and got past it.

The video is from a few months ago. The story she is telling happened 24 years ago. My problem is that when she is telling the story she is still racist. There are nicer ways to say "helped by one of his own." She didn't tell the farmer "I'll have one of your own help you." No, that part and that thinking is still ocurring in her today. Referring to whites as a different group in general shows the racism.

She should have had a somber tone, not this gloating bullshit.

 

[xj0hnx]

#2. Even if it is him, he didn't know what her "full meausre" of help was. All he knows is that he saved his farm. More likely due to Chapter 12 bankruptcy then anything Shirley Sherrod did. She quite possibly could have made it much easier for him except for her desire to have "his own kind" help him.

Yea, I pointed that out earlier, he obviously hasn't seen the video in question. I bet his opinion might change if he learned she could have probably saved them a lot of time and money if she had given them the same consideration she would have a black farmer in the same position.

 

[Narmer]

There is no need to try to understand where she is coming from. All that needs to be known is that she is in a position of power IN THE GOVERNMENT you twit.
But again since it's obvious you can't read - it doesn't matter is she claims she changed it from a race based thing to a class based thing - she should be doing her job for everyone - not just who she wants to based on her bias.

I have no problem with her comment saying that it's "poor vs. rich". These poor farmers don't have the resources to lobby their local or federal politicians to get sweetheart deals or favorable laws after donating what amounts to pocket change for them. Yes, fool, this is how government works and it works very well for the wealthy because it creates a vicious cycle where the rich get richer and the poor lose their farm. This government worker is trying her level best to assist the poor any way she can. Unlike the lobbyists, she can't have laws written for them but she can get lawyers that understand the law to help them better exploit whatever advantages they can get. The lady is trying to help the most vulnerable and I commend her for it. It's not like she's enriching herself.

If you are too dumb to see that this is reality and there is no such thing as a level playing field, then there is no point in arguing with you.

 

[Phokus]

It's funny how people still take andrew breibart videos 100% of face value when all he does is release edited clips. he's the same guy who forged those Acorn videos.

It's sad that conservatives fall for that sh*t all the time, but the Obama admin fell for it to. Haven't we established the fact that conservatives use sleazy tactics to get their message across already?

 

[Phokus]

Also, this is what the farmer in question had to say about sherrod:

However, the white farming family that was the subject of the story came to Sherrod's defense and said she should stay in her job.

"We probably wouldn't have (our farm) today if it hadn't been for her leading us in the right direction," said Eloise Spooner, 82, the wife of farmer Roger Spooner of Iron City, Ga. "I wish she could get her job back because she was good to us, I tell you."

She told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that she considered Sherrod a "friend for life," saying that "the federal official worked tirelessly to help" them hold onto their farm as they faced bankruptcy in 1986.
"Her husband told her, 'You're spending more time with the Spooners than you are with me,'" Spooner told the Journal-Constitution. "She took probably two or three trips with us to Albany just to help us out."
As people came to her defense and Sherrod reached out to media to plead her case, the administration faced criticism that officials, nervous about racial perceptions, had overreacted to her comments and made her a political sacrifice amid dueling allegations of racism between the NAACP and the "Tea Party" movement.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38321920/ns/us_news-life/

Sorry, but she worked her ass off for this farmer. And you know what, she had a right to carry some anger:

But the other parts I found notable in the video are the stories Sherrod recounts about her family and growing up in the South before and during the Civil Rights movement. Her father was murdered when she was 17 "by a white man," she says, adding that in her county back then, "the murder of black people occurred periodically and in every case, the white men who murdered them were never punished." No one was ever prosecuted for her father's murder even though there were witnesses, says Sherrod. She also says after her father's murder, a group of white men burned a cross on the front yard of her home while her mother, four sisters and baby brother were inside.

Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/20/the-full-shirley-sherrod-speech/#ixzz0uKgiah3B

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/20/the-full-shirley-sherrod-speech/

conservatives are scum of the earth and not to be trusted

 

[Amused]

It's funny how people still take andrew breibart videos 100% of face value when all he does is release edited clips. he's the same guy who forged those Acorn videos.

It's sad that conservatives fall for that sh*t all the time, but the Obama admin fell for it to. Haven't we established the fact that conservatives use sleazy tactics to get their message across already?

If you think the left is any less sleazy than the right, you're deluded.

 

[dainthomas]

Ah yes, the "perfect" defense - how nice. It doesn't help though because the goalpost wasn't put at "perfect" - just at consistent and professional integrity. She fails.

Post the name of your favorite politician, and I bet it would take five minutes to dig up an incident that implies they lack "consistent and professional integrity".

Sorry, your argument fails. I'd rather have someone who's honest enough to acknowledge their biases and deals with them openly. Compare that to 99% of the other scum in Washington.

 

[classy]

Amused I see you changed the title, today you are alright with me

Just today though :biggrin:

 

[shira]

The video is from a few months ago. The story she is telling happened 24 years ago. My problem is that when she is telling the story she is still racist. There are nicer ways to say "helped by one of his own." She didn't tell the farmer "I'll have one of your own help you." No, that part and that thinking is still ocurring in her today. Referring to whites as a different group in general shows the racism.

She should have had a somber tone, not this gloating bullshit.

Why on earth would she be reporting her past attitude if she still had that attitude? She's doing what all decent people do: acknowledging her past attitude and misdeeds and explaining how her changed understanding of things changed her attitude.

But I guess having an epiphany 24 years ago and reporting about it now is an unforgivable sin.

 

[Amused]

Amused I see you changed the title, today you are alright with me

Just today though :biggrin:

Well that's a relief!

I'll admit when I'm wrong.

This story is just more proof that the right is every bit as sleazy as the left. Politicians and their tools are all the same, no matter what ideology they pander to.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

Why on earth would she be reporting her past attitude if she still had that attitude? She's doing what all decent people do: acknowledging her past attitude and misdeeds and explaining how her changed understanding of things changed her attitude.

But I guess having an epiphany 24 years ago and reporting about it now is an unforgivable sin.

Read my fucking posts. It isn't that she had an epiphany. In the retelling of her story she came off as racist, referring to a white lawyer as "one of his own" and other tells. Not to mention she was gloating. Maybe she just isn't an elegant speaker, but when I watch the video I see someone retelling a story from their past that they aren't exactly ashamed of, like a man telling an old college or war story. Her verbal and non-verbal cues are not commensurate to the alleged message of learning and redemption.

Second - someone who was in a position of authority who let their bias affect professional judgement, no matter how long ago, should not be in those positions. She has lost credibility. Would you allow a reformed bank robber to guard your vault?

 

[waggy]

I admit it looks like the new statsions screwed her with the edited footage. it sure looks like she didn't mean what she said. i guess i was wrong for going off it.

this lady was thrown under by the USDA, NAACP and the whitehouse. now both are saying they will review it and see if they acted prematurely.

though she says she is not sure she wants her job back.

i actually feel sorry for her.

 

[Carmen813]

Read my fucking posts. It isn't that she had an epiphany. In the retelling of her story she came off as racist, referring to a white lawyer as "one of his own" and other tells. Not to mention she was gloating. Maybe she just isn't an elegant speaker, but when I watch the video I see someone retelling a story from their past that they aren't exactly ashamed of, like a man telling an old college or war story. Her verbal and non-verbal cues are not commensurate to the alleged message of learning and redemption.

Second - someone who was in a position of authority who let their bias affect professional judgement, no matter how long ago, should not be in those positions. She has lost credibility. Would you allow a reformed bank robber to guard your vault?

I can't comment on the rest of your post, but to answer your last question: we use reformed criminals all the time in the computer world to improve security.

As for the rest, professionals make mistakes.

 

[Athena]

Read my fucking posts. It isn't that she had an epiphany. In the retelling of her story she came off as racist, referring to a white lawyer as "one of his own" and other tells. Not to mention she was gloating. Maybe she just isn't an elegant speaker, but when I watch the video I see someone retelling a story from their past that they aren't exactly ashamed of, like a man telling an old college or war story. Her verbal and non-verbal cues are not commensurate to the alleged message of learning and redemption.

I think we see what we want to see. I interpreted her statement to "send him to one of his own" as the way she felt at the time. IOW, at that time she saw things in terms of black and white. Later, when she realized that the white lawyer hadn't done anything but take the poor man's money, her view changed about who was "us" and who was "them".

Second - someone who was in a position of authority who let their bias affect professional judgement, no matter how long ago, should not be in those positions. She has lost credibility. Would you allow a reformed bank robber to guard your vault?

People in "positions of authority" let their biases affect them all the time. High school counselors for example, are notorious for helping some students more than others even though they are supposedly there for everyone.

In this case, the woman didn't refuse to do her job, she just didn't put the man at the top of her priority list. She mistakenly assumed that because he was white, a big time white lawyer would get him what he needed. When it became clear that her assumption was wrong, she stepped up and helped him herself...and learned a lesson that has stuck with her through the years.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

I can't comment on the rest of your post, but to answer your last question: we use reformed criminals all the time in the computer world to improve security.

As for the rest, professionals make mistakes.

That isn't completely true. We use reformed criminals to help us out, tell us about vulnerabilities, and seek guidance. We use them as resources because we need people who can think like criminals to tell us what a criminal would do. We generally do not place them in positions where they have any type of control or authority of protected resources. You may hire an ex bank robber to give you an analyses of your security system, but you certainly would not give him the access code to the vault and security systems.

Professionals make mistakes. It isn't her story of overcoming racism that bothers me so much as how she told the story: gloating, and with a smirk, like a man telling a story about how he once outran the police when he was in high school.

 

[her209]

I hope this lady sues the shit out of the blogger for slander/defamation/libel.

 

[Tab]

If you think the left is any less sleazy than the right, you're deluded.

Okay, prove it.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

In this case, the woman didn't refuse to do her job, she just didn't put the man at the top of her priority list.

Don't minimize what she did. She treated someone diffrently based on race which is exactly what racism is. She said "Oh, he's white, so I will treat him differently than a black person."

Scenario: a black couple enters a Denny's and is told to have a seat because there are no open tables. As they sit down a white couple walks in and they are immediately seated. Another white couple walks in and they are also seated. 20 minutes goes by and the black couple is then seated as a table comes open in the back, near the bathroom.

This isn't racism, right? She didn't refuse to do her job. They were eventually seated, they just weren't put at the top of the hostess' priorty list.

 

[Patranus]

I find it laughable that people continue to slam FNC for reporting a story (which those people call lies) when the President of the United State perpetrated the largest lie on the American people in the last 70 years using "edited data", presenting half of the facts, and telling bold faced lies.

 

[lothar]

I heard on ABC(or was it NBC?) yesterday night that she was forced to write a resignation letter over her Blackberry that evening.

Obama administration officials have been played like fools by the right-wing media.
I still want to know who was responsible for her getting fired...Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack? Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel?

I doubt Obama himself was directly involved in the issue, so I won't put any blame or responsibility on him.

 

[waggy]

I find it laughable that people continue to slam FNC for reporting a story (which those people call lies) when the President of the United State perpetrated the largest lie on the American people in the last 70 years using "edited data", presenting half of the facts, and telling bold faced lies.

while i do t hink the president, ncaa and usda (to a lesser extent) threw her under the buss. this is by far the largest like in the last 70 years. on this one women was hurt. others have cause thousands of deaths on the lie...