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loup garou

Lifer
Feb 17, 2000
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: werk

I don't understand how I'm talking trash or being a kid, when you're the one calling me gay mac user and challenging me to "back it up," whatever that means. Is this how you act in real life? It's really quite sad.
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How about this- I'll be nice and apologize to you for being rude. I really don't like arguing, I just have a short temper.
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I accept your apology. I did start it by dredging up an old post of yours. I'd suggest though if you want to participate in a rational debate, you should learn to separate the topic from the person you're arguing with. Especially if they hold the same opinion as you on the topic. ;)
 
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Ornery

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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...a thorough workthrough of why hardware speed isn't the end all of be all of computers...

The screwballs on this forum are 75% gamers, so cheap high performance matters. In business, most of the users need to run a few office apps and connect to a server. Both of these cases point straight to cheap PCs.

Most Mac consumers, like deathkoba, are more concerned with what "looks quite beautiful" and not "extremely ugly". You can try to justify the extreme premium all you want, but deathkoba is a VERY typical Apple consumer. Users who can truly benefit from the unique OS are few and far between, and I'm certain the OP ain't one of them!
 
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kogase

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If I was your dad I'd take all your money and hold it above your head... and laugh as you tried to jump up and reach it while I lift it up high. You little twit.
 
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manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Originally posted by: AmberClad
$2100 for a machine you can't even game on. Are you nuts???

You could buy a cheapo laptop, and have enough left over to buy or build a pimped out gaming desktop.

I would agree with both of your Dad's points. Apple's producted are far overpriced and generally used by people who value pretty looks over substance/value and buy what's "in".

Since you say that Windows suck, I would have to assume that you're not a gamer, since the selection of Mac games is very limited and generally released much later than PC versions. Which begs the question what you're going to use the laptop for. If it's to do word processing and use the web, then you're even more nuts to ask your Dad to spend $2100 on it.
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Wow, so the only people who need better than $399 Dell Dimensions are those who game? Granted, this is ATOT, but you know what they say about ASSumptions.
 
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Ornery

Lifer
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Which begs the question what you're going to use the laptop for.

He could always answer that question... anytime now...
 
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sparkyclarky

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Originally posted by: Ornery
...a thorough workthrough of why hardware speed isn't the end all of be all of computers...

The screwballs on this forum are 75% gamers, so cheap high performance matters. In business, most of the users need to run a few office apps and connect to a server. Both of these cases point straight to cheap PCs.

Most Mac consumers, like deathkoba, are more concerned with what "looks quite beautiful" and not "extremely ugly". You can try to justify the extreme premium all you want, but deathkoba is a VERY typical Apple consumer. Users who can truly benefit from the unique OS are few and far between, and I'm certain the OP ain't one of them!
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I'll agree with your assessment about the enthusiast section of these forums being heavily slanted to gamers (I myself would be in that crowd as my main rig is a heavily OCed AthlonXP with a 6800GT), and I agree about most business environments consisting of web browsing, office apps, and centralized databases/storage.

However, I wouldn't be so quick to generalize all Apple users. Check out the Mac section of the arstechnica forums to see many typical Mac users. Mac users are as diverse as Windows users, they just use a platform with a smaller market share. Certainly many people do come to the platform because the hardware/OS is arguably better looking than most of the mainstream Windows boxes out there. But many also come because they like the way the platform as a whole works. Many like the blend of hardware and software that Apple provides. Many enjoy the current freedom from viruses/spyware (which could possibly change when/if the platform gets greater market share).

As far as the OP is concerned, I'm sure he is not looking at Macs solely for workflow reasons at this point. If he wants to try out OSX, I'd recommend a much cheaper solution such as an iBook, which doesn't command nearly the price premium that the Powerbook does. I personally would love a Powerbook, but I took the wise/financially much more feasible route for myself and bought a mini back in January and have found it to be a great little machine so far. However, if the OP has the bucks and all his other finances/financial planning are in line, it's completely up to him whether he wants to drop that kind of coin on a laptop.
 
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Ornery

Lifer
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Certainly many people do come to the platform because the hardware/OS is arguably better looking than most of the mainstream Windows boxes out there.

That's my take on it. I think many just want some alternative to Wintel, even if they spite their own face (and wallet) in the process.

Well, we've got one on the premises for now. I've screwed with it as much as I care to. Last one I'm likely to own, unless Apple brings their machines in line with Dell's hardware prices... NOT LIKELY!
 
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thirdlegstump

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Feb 12, 2001
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Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
Originally posted by: deathkoba
$2100 isn't bad at all for one of the best laptops money can buy. It runs a dependable and robust operating system that's easy to troubleshoot (in the rare case should you need to) and it looks quite beautiful. Other pluses include ability to run the latest and greatest graphics applications smoothly since the system is designed from the ground up for real design. It's also based on Unix which is far more stable than WinBLOZE eXPEE. Dells are cheap but just LOOK at them. They're built like toys, heavy and extremely ugly. The only decent laptops on the PeeCee world I've seen are the Thinkpads but they are similarly priced as the Powerbooks. I have a Thinkpad T23 and getting an X41 in the very near future. The only difference being I'm 26 and buy these things myself : ) I'd get a Powerbook when my job requires one which may be real soon if I get this job tomorrow...
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You do realize that calling Windows XP "WinBLOZE eXPEE" and a PC "PeeCee" does nothing to strenghten your credibility as a neutral judge of computing hardware/software from which others should take advice?
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Most of my computers are PeeCees and that's how I learned to pronounce them :roll:

OP, don't listen to these guys, they're just jealous and insecure about their cheap computers especially the AMD fanboys who constantly taunt how much superior their platform of choice is over others but always manage to throw in the word "value" into their argument. They're just cheap or poor bastards who have no idea what tailoring really means or just don't have the mental capacity to appreciate something of fine taste...hence the really fast movement of the "Hot Deals" forum :roll:

Value is important though..but it's just one of many things to consider when purchasing anything.

Here's what I've learned from these "hot deals."

What good is a cheap $700 PC laptop when it isn't something YOU REALLY want? What good is it if it doesn't do what you intend on using it for very well even if it meant it'll sort of get you by? What good is it when you don't even like looking at it? $700 in that case would simply be a WASTE of money.

Get what YOU WANT and forget about the extra bit of cash you've spent and just enjoy the freakin thing.

You already love your current Mac and decided on the platform as it suites your needs.

Get the Powerbook however the hell you can.
 
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AmberClad

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Certainly many people do come to the platform because the hardware/OS is arguably better looking than most of the mainstream Windows boxes out there.

That's my take on it. I think many just want some alternative to Wintel, even if they spite their own face (and wallet) in the process.

Well, we've got one on the premises for now. I've screwed with it as much as I care to. Last one I'm likely to own, unless Apple brings their machines in line with Dell's hardware prices... NOT LIKELY!
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I wonder what the argument is going to be when Vista eventually comes out. That AeroGlass does looks sweet, definitely an improvement over the bright green+blue XP theme (WTH were they thinking???). Little too flashy for my liking, I'd be happy with something plain and dark with a little trim here and there, but it does seems tailored for the eye candy fancying types. As far as hardware eye candy, a good custom build with acrylic or silver aluminum looks just as nice, IMHO.
 
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helpme

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Feb 6, 2000
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Just ask for the damn $950 (edu price) iBook. If he still says no, buy it yourself. 1/2 the price of the PB you want, but a way better deal today.
 
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TheGeek

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Jun 6, 2004
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i dont just like OS X because of its good looks. I like it because its a good os. I've never had any problems with it. My windows PC crashed today and i wasnt even using it. it just randomly crashed to the BSOD. nonoe of you are going to convince me to buy a windows laptop. I've done my research. I know what i want.
 
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Chompman

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Mar 14, 2003
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Originally posted by: TheGeek
i dont just like OS X because of its good looks. I like it because its a good os. I've never had any problems with it. My windows PC crashed today and i wasnt even using it. it just randomly crashed to the BSOD. nonoe of you are going to convince me to buy a windows laptop. I've done my research. I know what i want.
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It helps if you upgrade from windows 95... :p
 
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CraigRT

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
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Just wait a year or so... at this rate, you'll be able to install OSX on a basic X86 Intel/AMD machine :D

the Mac hardware is crap, and is way too expensive (well that's the main reason it's crap) I wouldn't do it in a million years the way their products currently stand.
 
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TheGeek

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Jun 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
Originally posted by: deathkoba
$2100 isn't bad at all for one of the best laptops money can buy. It runs a dependable and robust operating system that's easy to troubleshoot (in the rare case should you need to) and it looks quite beautiful. Other pluses include ability to run the latest and greatest graphics applications smoothly since the system is designed from the ground up for real design. It's also based on Unix which is far more stable than WinBLOZE eXPEE. Dells are cheap but just LOOK at them. They're built like toys, heavy and extremely ugly. The only decent laptops on the PeeCee world I've seen are the Thinkpads but they are similarly priced as the Powerbooks. I have a Thinkpad T23 and getting an X41 in the very near future. The only difference being I'm 26 and buy these things myself : ) I'd get a Powerbook when my job requires one which may be real soon if I get this job tomorrow...
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You do realize that calling Windows XP "WinBLOZE eXPEE" and a PC "PeeCee" does nothing to strenghten your credibility as a neutral judge of computing hardware/software from which others should take advice?
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Most of my computers are PeeCees and that's how I learned to pronounce them :roll:

OP, don't listen to these guys, they're just jealous and insecure about their cheap computers especially the AMD fanboys who constantly taunt how much superior their platform of choice is over others but always manage to throw in the word "value" into their argument. They're just cheap or poor bastards who have no idea what tailoring really means or just don't have the mental capacity to appreciate something of fine taste...hence the really fast movement of the "Hot Deals" forum :roll:

Value is important though..but it's just one of many things to consider when purchasing anything.

Here's what I've learned from these "hot deals."

What good is a cheap $700 PC laptop when it isn't something YOU REALLY want? What good is it if it doesn't do what you intend on using it for very well even if it meant it'll sort of get you by? What good is it when you don't even like looking at it? $700 in that case would simply be a WASTE of money.

Get what YOU WANT and forget about the extra bit of cash you've spent and just enjoy the freakin thing.

You already love your current Mac and decided on the platform as it suites your needs.

Get the Powerbook however the hell you can.
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Thank you. finally someone with a maturity level
 
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SSP

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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Originally posted by: Ornery
...they REQUIRE a mac? I bet that they just get commision from it.

The excuse they gave was, too many diverse systems used in the past, led to too much time screwing with hardware instead of learning. Many, if not most, of their other colleges require PCs instead.

I don't give a shlt anymore. The cost of that unit pales in comparison to the rest of the money we're laying out!
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Thats the exact same reason they give us when we asked why we're forced to LEASE a Thnkpad for 1200 an year. A friggan rip off. The only good thing (other then the Thinkpad) is that its insured so i can chuck it around and dont have to pay for broken bits. Still not worth it.
 
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TheGeek

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Jun 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: suse920
Originally posted by: TheGeek
Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Originally posted by: TheGeek
My windows PC crashed today and i wasnt even using it. it just randomly crashed to the BSOD.
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Upgrade from Windows 95 plz.
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Im running XP. thanks though
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learn how to use the OS then.
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if you can read, i wasnt even using it. it was just sitting there
 
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BillyBobJoel71

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Mar 24, 2005
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Originally posted by: suse920
Originally posted by: TheGeek
Originally posted by: HamburgerBoy
Originally posted by: TheGeek
My windows PC crashed today and i wasnt even using it. it just randomly crashed to the BSOD.
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Upgrade from Windows 95 plz.
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Im running XP. thanks though
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learn how to use the OS then.
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something called virus scanners?
I haven't seen a mac vs pc thread in a while...
 
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Lorn

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Nov 28, 2004
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Speaking of spyware and virii, I haven't gotten a single one since I switched to OSX.
 
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