Earth 'entering new extinction phase' - US study

[norseamd]

perhaps this is more true than we want to admit.

Think they just made that shit up out of thin air?

You can go even way farther down the rabbit hole and watch this shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axARKd24eHo

 

[WelshBloke]

You fuck shit up, and go in the debt doing it.

You are so fucked up, that this is why Civilizations end.

Government.

-John

So if you'd like to explain how to have a lasting civilisation with no form of government Id be willing to listen.

Also how youd stop any members of that civilisation from forming a company that rapes the environment in any way it chooses.

If you could explain that without multiple consecutive posts it would be nice as well.

 

[Sonikku]

Liberals care more about bees than People!

And jobs!

 

[boomerang]

Liberals care more about bees than People!

And jobs!

"Save the trees, save the bees, save the
whales, save those snails." - George Carlin

 

[Fayd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_History

It examines long time frames using a multidisciplinary approach based on combining numerous disciplines from science and the humanities,

 

[JSt0rm]

"Save the trees, save the bees, save the
whales, save those snails." - George Carlin

George Carlin wont ever have to deal with the implications of they way we use the planet.

 

[IGBT]

the usual alarmist rhetoric from the liberal cooling / warming sky is falling cabal. Designed to incite mass hysteria to assure they can keep stealing revenue from the tax payer under the guise of "grants" so they can study nothing endlessly. Mass delusion at it's finest.

 

[JSt0rm]

the usual alarmist rhetoric from the liberal cooling / warming sky is falling cabal. Designed to incite mass hysteria to assure they can keep stealing revenue from the tax payer under the guise of "grants" so they can study nothing endlessly. Mass delusion at it's finest.

Fuck I hate anti-science people. You are the worst humans on the planet.

 

[IGBT]

Fuck I hate anti-science people. You are the worst humans on the planet.

..and then there are the out and out FOOLS that think this is real science. Further evidence that idiots will always be part of the social construct.

 

[JSt0rm]

..and then there are the out and out FOOLS that think this is real science. Further evidence that idiots will always be part of the social construct.

ok so you see value in some science at least. At anyrate you will probably be dead within 10 years and will never have to deal with any of the crap you spew is false. Must be nice to go to your death bed knowing you are right? :biggrin:

 

[WelshBloke]

the usual alarmist rhetoric from the liberal cooling / warming sky is falling cabal. Designed to incite mass hysteria to assure they can keep stealing revenue from the tax payer under the guise of "grants" so they can study nothing endlessly. Mass delusion at it's finest.

Yeah. If all they wanted was cash they'd be starving if they relied on the oil companies to fund sympathetic research.

 

[norseamd]

That would be good. Right now we are looking at a major nuke accident every 50 years that has an effect of 20k or more years. If we could stretch the accident rate out a bit it would be nice.

With passive cooling that nuclear accident rate might not be concerning at all.

 

[werepossum]

...or brown with American pollution coming north. Not that we're totally blameless either, particularly in the last 25 years. *sigh*

Mark my words, global poisoning will kill the human race long before any man-made climate change will. (Short of a nuclear winter, that is!)

Could be, especially with our tendency to ship production where it can be accomplished without all those pesky environmental regulations.

Liberals care more about bees than People!

And jobs!

Only because people are breeding like rats whereas bees are stressed.

 

[dainthomas]

Just look at how our population tripled in the past century alone.
Doubling would signify a significant reduction in growth rate.

Every recent model of population growth I've seen has the global number plateauing somewhere around 9-10 billion. I don't think that would be enough to get the US up to 600 million.

 

[Blue_Max]

That would be good. Right now we are looking at a major nuke accident every 50 years that has an effect of 20k or more years. If we could stretch the accident rate out a bit it would be nice.

BTW, Chernobyl isn't "over"... the initial sarcophagus is falling into disrepair and the replacement unit was never finished. The plant itself is still a massively-radioactive slag pile.

The solution they gave it was better than a cheap Fukushima "band-aid" but it's almost impossible to fix so it's either tack on another temporary solution and wait another 20 years or spend astronomical money to fix it for 50-100 years instead of only ~20-25.

Fukushima's "meh, gazillion holding tanks plus quietly dump it in the ocean" approach depresses me to no end.

 

[Jaskalas]

Modern designs and Thorium should be far safer than any plant in existence today.

 

[Blue_Max]

Could be, especially with our tendency to ship production where it can be accomplished without all those pesky environmental regulations.

Gawd it's awful... those places willing to do the work must not care about its land or citizens at all. They're some of the filthiest places on Earth. I don't blame the locals who were born to their poverty, that'd be foolish.

Corporate bigwigs should not be able to pull this crap on anyone's soil, foreign OR domestic. Y'know... like if they face the choice of dumping their toxic waste in the ocean for a $1M fine + PR scandal IF caught, vs. $10M in cleanup - they're almost BOUND by shareholders to take the cheaper route.

Profit above all. Period.

*sigh* ...so bloody depressing...

Only because people are breeding like rats whereas bees are stressed.

While some groups are certainly breeding much, much faster than others - it certainly needs to be slowed. Perhaps the "Long Peace" has its disadvantages after all.

The civilized nations have all slowed their birth rates (for one reason or another.) Pity a couple large groups out there want to control the planet by way of sheer numbers... long-term worries of killing off ~75% of the world population from overpopulation issues doesn't seem to enter the game-plan.

We're still little better than hairless monkeys who've come up with a few clever gadgets along the way... still hopelessly enslaved to emotion and instinct.

 

[Blue_Max]

Modern designs and Thorium should be far safer than any plant in existence today.

Hey, I'm all for new technology that's cleaner, better, more gooder-er. I remember reading about large-scale energy storage which would be awesome! Correct the biggest flaw in all of our energy system - what isn't used immediately is lost forever.

Pity some of those corporate bigwigs I mentioned earlier have a vested interest in CURRENT technology, thus will stifle advancement to maximize profits.

*sigh* Okay... that's enough downers for one day. Headin' for the tub.

 

[werepossum]

Gawd it's awful... those places willing to do the work must not care about its land or citizens at all. They're some of the filthiest places on Earth. I don't blame the locals who were born to their poverty, that'd be foolish.

Corporate bigwigs should not be able to pull this crap on anyone's soil, foreign OR domestic. Y'know... like if they face the choice of dumping their toxic waste in the ocean for a $1M fine + PR scandal IF caught, vs. $10M in cleanup - they're almost BOUND by shareholders to take the cheaper route.

Profit above all. Period.

*sigh* ...so bloody depressing...


While some groups are certainly breeding much, much faster than others - it certainly needs to be slowed. Perhaps the "Long Peace" has its disadvantages after all.

The civilized nations have all slowed their birth rates (for one reason or another.) Pity a couple large groups out there want to control the planet by way of sheer numbers... long-term worries of killing off ~75% of the world population from overpopulation issues doesn't seem to enter the game-plan.

We're still little better than hairless monkeys who've come up with a few clever gadgets along the way... still hopelessly enslaved to emotion and instinct.

I think the bolded for most third world nations isn't quite fair. There are isolated instances such as Red China and the Soviet Union where it's a conscious decision to trade pollution in return for building raw might, but there's a lot to be said (including in China) for keeping one's belly full and one's children growing rather than starving. Environmental protection is a luxury in mankind's existence, and many nations haven't had sufficient free markets to afford that luxury. If slash & burn & move on is all one can afford, that's what one will do. That is true for every people, race, culture, nation and whatever semi-arbitrary classification we can make.

 

[IGBT]

No crisis equals no funding. I don’t think you have to be a genius to see that rather obvious fact. You have to be very naive to believe that the huge cash cow of Government funding is not influencing the “scientists”.

 

[bshole]

They have been deliberately conservative – they’re well aware of the dangers of crying wolf on a topic of such importance, and where passions run so high. For a start, they limit themselves to the best-studied group of organisms, the vertebrates. Then, they take a high estimate of background extinctions to compare with, to make the modern figures as undramatic as possible. And then, they either consider only those animals known to be extinct (the “highly conservative” scenario), or they add in those extinctions in the wild that are likely to have happened, but are not yet verified.

Rolling on the floor laughing my fucking ass off.

They really really aren't crying wolf! They are being conservative! Just like when they pimped the population bomb that would kill off humanity in the 70s! Just like when they pimped the end of oil in 60s. Just like when they pimped a new global ice age in the 70s. etc... etc..... NOT ONE SINGLE HORROR PREDICTED EVER CAME TRUE..... NOT A SINGLE FUCKING ONE. I lived through this shit when I was kid, back when I still believed these fucktards and it scared the shit out of me. In exactly the same way that Hell scared the shit out of me. I finally grew up and realized it was all fucking religion.

Can we please create a new branch of science? We can put all these end of days fuck nuts who have polluted the field into it. Then we can all know to ignore them as they make yet another completely failed prediction of horror beyond comprehension.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jun/21/mass-extinction-science-warning


Is the theory testable? Is it predictive? Not really, it has as much value as what I flushed down the toilet this morning.

 

[IGBT]

And Paul Ehrlich participated in this "study"..a notorious fraud and perpetrator of eco-KOOK alarmist propaganda designed to encourage mass hysteria.

 

[Atreus21]

Hey, I'm all for new technology that's cleaner, better, more gooder-er. I remember reading about large-scale energy storage which would be awesome! Correct the biggest flaw in all of our energy system - what isn't used immediately is lost forever.

Pity some of those corporate bigwigs I mentioned earlier have a vested interest in CURRENT technology, thus will stifle advancement to maximize profits.

*sigh* Okay... that's enough downers for one day. Headin' for the tub.

I love, just freaking love Bloom County.

 

[Zorkorist]

So if you'd like to explain how to have a lasting civilisation with no form of government Id be willing to listen.

Also how youd stop any members of that civilisation from forming a company that rapes the environment in any way it chooses.

If you could explain that without multiple consecutive posts it would be nice as well.

If Goverment was limited, we'd have a chance. Our country has thrived for 200 years with limited Government.

Today we have Government run amok. They steal from people, kill people, are corrupt, and expensive.

There are no limits on Government today, when our Constitution and Bill of Rights feared Government.

-John

 

[Exophase]

Sure makes all of the normal problems we talk about seem small in comparison.

Does anyone have any links to more positive commentary? If not a different conclusion then at least some hope that it's not too late for some kind of change to help.