E-cigarettes linked to incurable 'Popcorn Lung' disease

[shortylickens]

Good. I like the idea of those pretentious douche hipsters getting sick and dying young.

 

[Phoenix86]

Good. I like the idea of those pretentious douche hipsters getting sick and dying young.

It's like you read the title and nothing else.

Speak of, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

 

[umbrella39]

BOOP is fun. The experts here will comfort those who contract it...

 

[shortylickens]

It's like you read the title and nothing else.

Speak of, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

Huh? What title?

 

[boomhower]

This has been widely known in the vape community for quite a while. It's easy to avoid the juice flavor types it is used in. Several companies that don't use have had their juices tested to prove it and use it as a selling point.

 

[Eug]

Thanks for these links. I'm a respiratory therapist who quit my own smoking habit years ago. However, I do have a wife that still smokes and 2 of my kids smoke. My daughter has made the transition to e-cigs. Her cough has intensified exponentially and is always short of breath now. I have tried to convince her that putting ANYTHING into your lungs is not a wise bet. Lung function is going to be compromised. It's just a fact.

wat?!?

I'm curious. Were you smoking after you became an RT? It just blows my mind when I hear of an RT or a respirologist or a thoracic surgeon, etc. that smokes.

 

[funboy6942]

Stop saying that shit. There's 0 water in the vapor, and you're no better than all these idiots demonizing vaping by running the atomizers at 10X power and producing formaldehyde.

Really? So the droplets of not water that collects on the inside of my 2" long glass tip is piss, or really isnt collecting there as I vape? What then is this magical runny watery like fluid? Take a look and please tell us

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Ylg0SWFoWk11cFIwQlFjZFF6UTNnaUt6QUJjcWh3

 

[HeXen]

Just smoke some pot the old fashioned way and let's just relax

 

[Phoenix86]

Really? So the droplets of not water that collects on the inside of my 2" long glass tip is piss, or really isnt collecting there as I vape? What then is this magical runny watery like fluid? Take a look and please tell us

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Ylg0SWFoWk11cFIwQlFjZFF6UTNnaUt6QUJjcWh3

Since you a vaporizing it, there's no chemical reaction, only phase change. Please explain how, without a chemical reaction, you produce water from not water.

 

[Ruptga]

Yeah please do, I for one am keenly interested in this valuable information.

 

[funboy6942]

Since you a vaporizing it, there's no chemical reaction, only phase change. Please explain how, without a chemical reaction, you produce water from not water.

huh, one part of it is vg and vg has, guess what, water in it...

Vegetable glycerin can also be made directly from vegetable oil — often coconut or palm oil — by heating it to a high temperature under pressure with water. The glycerin backbone splits off from the fatty acids, and is absorbed by the water, from which it is then isolated and distilled to obtain the pure product. Food-grade vegetable glycerin is 99.7% pure, with the remaining 0.3% being water.

of my 102ml bottle, 23ml of it is juice, since mine is fruit, fruit is made of what parts, well one part of it is, huh, guess what, water.....unless juice is made with no water

it is also made of PG, and guess what again,it too has another part in it, and what is in it.....WATER

Propylene glycol, also called propane-1,2-diol, is an organic compound with the chemical formula C3H8O2. It is a viscous colourless liquid which is nearly odourless but possesses a faintly sweet taste. Chemically it is classed as a diol and is miscible with a broad range of solvents, including water, acetone, and chloroform.

SO, NO WATER, strange, made of things made with water, but according to you, has NO water in it..

 

[OverVolt]

huh, one part of it is vg and vg has, guess what, water in it...

Vegetable glycerin can also be made directly from vegetable oil — often coconut or palm oil — by heating it to a high temperature under pressure with water. The glycerin backbone splits off from the fatty acids, and is absorbed by the water, from which it is then isolated and distilled to obtain the pure product. Food-grade vegetable glycerin is 99.7% pure, with the remaining 0.3% being water.

of my 102ml bottle, 23ml of it is juice, since mine is fruit, fruit is made of what parts, well one part of it is, huh, guess what, water.....unless juice is made with no water

it is also made of PG, and guess what again,it too has another part in it, and what is in it.....WATER

Propylene glycol, also called propane-1,2-diol, is an organic compound with the chemical formula C3H8O2. It is a viscous colourless liquid which is nearly odourless but possesses a faintly sweet taste. Chemically it is classed as a diol and is miscible with a broad range of solvents, including water, acetone, and chloroform.

SO, NO WATER, strange, made of things made with water, but according to you, has NO water in it..

The max safe dose of propylene glycol is... not high. And AFAIK the liquid in e-cigs seems to be largely PG as the base.

 

[umbrella39]

wat?!?

I'm curious. Were you smoking after you became an RT? It just blows my mind when I hear of an RT or a respirologist or a thoracic surgeon, etc. that smokes.

Started my career at University of Michigan Medical Center on a feb 14th and stopped for good on feb 18th. There are many therapists, RN, etc that I work with that still walk out to the street and smoke. It stinks...

 

[funboy6942]

The max safe dose of propylene glycol is... not high. And AFAIK the liquid in e-cigs seems to be largely PG as the base.

Actually wrong, it depends on what you want. If you want that throat hit like a cig, you go for a higher pg, if you want more cloud, you go for more vg, if you want a in between, you go for a 50/50 mix. You can have it mixed, if you go to the shop yourself, to what ever you want, or if you order on line if not given a choice, is usually a 50/50 mix. Im a 70vg/30pg guy for I like clouds.

I personally would stay far away from the gas station crap, or the ones that look like the real thing, they dont do anything, and most people who use them, will just go back to smoking for they dont produce much of anything when you exhale, and I wouldnt trust whats in those at all. I get 90% of my stuff from vistavapors.

 

[OverVolt]

Really? So the droplets of not water that collects on the inside of my 2" long glass tip is piss, or really isnt collecting there as I vape? What then is this magical runny watery like fluid? Take a look and please tell us

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Ylg0SWFoWk11cFIwQlFjZFF6UTNnaUt6QUJjcWh3

Um propylene glycol?

 

[Phoenix86]

huh, one part of it is vg and vg has, guess what, water in it...

No, it doesn't. It's ok, a lot of people fail chem-101.

Please explain how you get from either of these to H20 through phase change.

or

 

[funboy6942]

No, it doesn't. It's ok, a lot of people fail chem-101.

Please explain how you get from either of these to H20 through phase change.

or

Food-grade vegetable glycerin is 99.7% pure, with the remaining 0.3% being water. <----SEE THAT RIGHT THERE, SAYS WATER, .3%. You also said there was NO WATER in ANYTHING I vape AT ALL, now all your going to bitch back is on the VG, maybe not having any, though it has .3% of it in in it. What about the juice, what about the PG, you fucking said there was no water in ANYTHING, so there is NO water vapor. Care to change your story?

And in case you dont know how these things work, they have a Atomizer that heats the liquid to its boiling point, turning the liquid into a VAPOR, meaning the water in the substances as well, producing the cloud or smoke you see that is exhaled. And believe it or not, when you exhale, the vapor is very cold to the touch, though it is warm going in. I guess Phase change, but your whole point that start this thing was there was NO WATER AT ALL in this to make a vapor cloud. You said that yourself. How does one make a vapor cloud with this stuff when there is no water in any of it. Ive proven to you there is water in the e-cig fluid, so I ask again, do you care to change what you had to say, about saying there is no water in this stuff or the vapor?

Stop saying that shit. There's 0 water in the vapor, and you're no better than all these idiots demonizing vaping by running the atomizers at 10X power and producing formaldehyde.

And we are talking about Vegetable glycerin that is in E-cig juice, not PURE Glycerol which is what you put a diagram of, which is not what I puff on.

Electronic cigarette liquid
Vegetable glycerin is a common component of e-liquid, a solution used with electronic smoking devices (electronic cigarettes), that is heated with an atomizer to produce an aerosol in order to deliver flavors and optionally nicotine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Food-grade vegetable glycerin is 99.7% pure, with the remaining 0.3% being water. <----SEE THAT RIGHT THERE, SAYS WATER, .3%. You also said there was NO WATER in ANYTHING I vape AT ALL, now all your going to bitch back is on the VG, maybe not having any, though it has .3% of it in in it. What about the juice, what about the PG, you fucking said there was no water in ANYTHING, so there is NO water vapor. Care to change your story?

I'm sorry but it's really funny listening to you argue your point with that handle and avatar

 

[Blanky]

Who would have thought that inhaling something from an unregulated industry was bad? Wow, if only we had some historical precedent for such a thing.

 

[Phoenix86]

Let's look at the original statement.

It is not smoke. It is not combusted. It is
mostly water vapor.

It is mostly water vapor.

is mostly water vapor.

mostly water vapor.

This is the retarded claim I asked that people stop making.

OK. So maybe there's a whiff of water as an impurity to an ingredient. But you don't go from .3% of roughly a 60% ingredient (after you add in nicotine and flavor) to being the majority of the exhaled component to the vaporized product.

That condensation on your stem will contain roughly .18% water, and 99.82% PG+VG+nicotine+flavor. The exact same composition of the source, because again, no phase change. It's vaporized and condensates.

The exhaled vapor goes through some change due to it being in your lungs, but you don't go from .18% of the original product to MOSTLY WATER VAPOR.

It's a bullshit claim made by vapor users so people who are around the exhaled product (and themselves) feel safer.

Stop the bullshit.

 

[Phoenix86]

Who would have thought that inhaling something from an unregulated industry was bad? Wow, if only we had some historical precedent for such a thing.

Everything at GNC is unregulated. Many chemicals in use today by many-many industries are unregulated. Food regulation is pathetic.

There's bigger fish to fry for regulation. I'll settle for good studies and education on this front.

 

[Oyeve]

Good. I like the idea of those pretentious douche hipsters getting sick and dying young.

Same here. Vaping is really a douchebagy thing. Be a real man/woman and smoke a real cig/joint! Pussies.

 

[funboy6942]

Let's look at the original statement.






This is the retarded claim I asked that people stop making.

OK. So maybe there's a whiff of water as an impurity to an ingredient. But you don't go from .3% of roughly a 60% ingredient (after you add in nicotine and flavor) to being the majority of the exhaled component to the vaporized product.

That condensation on your stem will contain roughly .18% water, and 99.82% PG+VG+nicotine+flavor. The exact same composition of the source, because again, no phase change. It's vaporized and condensates.

The exhaled vapor goes through some change due to it being in your lungs, but you don't go from .18% of the original product to MOSTLY WATER VAPOR.

It's a bullshit claim made by vapor users so people who are around the exhaled product (and themselves) feel safer.

Stop the bullshit.

What ever dude, you went from no water in it, to now there may be some in it, stop your bullshit to make you feel as if you know all about it yourself. You knew for a fact 100% there was no water in this stuff AT ALL, now I proven there is, there is water in the VG the PG, and a lot in the Juice itself, that makes up the vapor expelled out. If I were to use more VG then PG in my mix, I get a bigger cloud, wonder why, Because VG has more water in it, then PG does, FACT, look it up if you like, why when cloud chasing you go 100% nothing but VG, for the more the water content, the bigger the clouds you make, and that my friend is because of the water content in the E-juice itself. So keep telling yourself there is hardly any water in it. For you just went from there was NONE, to there is some.

And I think there is more then just .18% water for you forget 23ml of my 102ml bottle is juice which is pretty much comprised WATER in itself, no telling how much % of the VG is water, I couldnt find the stats on it, Just the .3% on the PG I found, so as you see, there is way more then just your .18% you seem to think in this stuff

 

[Joepublic2]

....

Seriously though, you're kidding yourself if you think this shit isn't damaging your health. I'll take a few big lung hits with my morning coffee and before bed with a really high nicotine juice and that's it. It's just not as bad for you as smoking tobacco is all.

 

[funboy6942]

Seriously though, It's just not as bad for you as smoking tobacco is all.

And that right there pretty much says it all as to why I do it. Yes I could be smoking back to 2 packs a day and all that money out the window, but I dont. I took this up because it is much better for me, I feel better vs smoking, and its a hell of a lot cheaper, but people want to take this away from me, and force me to go back to smoking. I cant quit, Ive tried, but if I had to have the lesser of two evils, for fuck sakes let me keep this one!

But people because THEY dont see a need for it, or see hipsters liking it, or what ever they have their reasons for not liking it, want other people not to have it either and its wrong. There is plenty out there I feel no need for but I dont push my views onto them about it if they like it, who am I to judge?