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DVDFab shut down and domains seized

Soundmanred said:
While I don't agree with the ruling, this response to his post about them being thieves is about as dumb as it gets. Someone shouldn't care about theft unless it's happening to them? What an odd stance.
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ip means nothing to me

if i thought ip was valid i would not think it was not a crime just because it did not happen to him

i was more wondering why he cared

suppose i could have come up with a different question or phrase
 
This sets a very, very, very bad precedent for future cases, calling into question other software that performs similar pro-consumer functions. :/

Standard procedure for all BluRays I buy are to rip them and transcode since all commercial BD software is crap. We need a DRM-Free servers like Amazon MP3, iTunes, and Google Music to revamp the video industry.

BoomerD said:
Because they're thieves. Plain and simple.
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I must be a thief then, because every DVD and BluRay disk I've purchased has been ripped with various software tools.
 
Bateluer said:
This sets a very, very, very bad precedent for future cases, calling into question other software that performs similar pro-consumer functions. :/ Standard procedure for all BluRays I buy are to rip them and transcode since all commercial BD software is crap. We need a DRM-Free servers like Amazon MP3, iTunes, and Google Music to revamp the video industry. Quote: Originally Posted by BoomerD View Post Because they're thieves. Plain and simple. I must be a thief then, because every DVD and BluRay disk I've purchased has been ripped with various software tools.
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the problem is the content industry wants us to have no rights and buy everything they make with every monetary scheme they come up with when the last one was no longer good enough. of course the last monetary scheme was no longer good enough once it was in use and then more schemes must be made which are all very excellent ideas until they bcome used because you could always do more. the wonders of psycology and greed.

just remember that the content industry has broken many laws and amendments and the whole constitution. you more or less do have the right to break laws to enforce your given rights as per the constitution.
 
Bateluer said:
This sets a very, very, very bad precedent for future cases, calling into question other software that performs similar pro-consumer functions. :/

Standard procedure for all BluRays I buy are to rip them and transcode since all commercial BD software is crap. We need a DRM-Free servers like Amazon MP3, iTunes, and Google Music to revamp the video industry.



I must be a thief then, because every DVD and BluRay disk I've purchased has been ripped with various software tools.
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Do you rip them for yourself, or, like the companies in the OP, do you rip them to sell/share with people who, unlike yourself, haven't actually bought the DVD/BluRay through a legitimate source?

I don't give two shits about anyone who rips a copy of a disk they purchased from Amazon/BestBuy/other company to use as a back-up copy, for a copy they can take while traveling, etc...But I DO care about those who rip copies to sell to others. THAT is what I meant by thieves...but then again, I think you knew that.
 
BoomerD said:
Do you rip them for yourself, or, like the companies in the OP, do you rip them to sell/share with people who, unlike yourself, haven't actually bought the DVD/BluRay through a legitimate source?
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That is exactly what people use programs like DVDFab for; ripping their DVDs and BluRays. The fact that some people do upload them to P2P sites is an unfortunate side effect. I rip all single optical disks I've bought myself, but I will turn to torrent sites for encodes for boxed sets of complete series and seasons. Easier to spend a couple hours torrenting the 1080p BD transcode than to spend a week or more doing it myself.


I don't give two shits about anyone who rips a copy of a disk they purchased from Amazon/BestBuy/other company to use as a back-up copy, for a copy they can take while traveling, etc...But I DO care about those who rip copies to sell to others. THAT is what I meant by thieves...but then again, I think you knew that.
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You miss a big part of the picture. Yes, it is legal for you to make a back up copy of your optical disk. Circumventing the DRM is illegal under the DMCA, has been since it was signed into law. So while you can legally make a back up copy of a BluRay disk, if you circumvent the DRM to do it, you have violated federal law.

I'll definitely agree that China is the land of piracy and that there are massive operations doing exactly what you've stated there. Just remember that this ruling by a US court does exactly nothing but annoy legit users in the USA. The Chinese government isn't going to confiscate DVDFab's assets, websites, or block their payment systems. And the software will simply move into more shady areas with payments done through cryptocoins.
 
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BoomerD said:
Do you rip them for yourself, or, like the companies in the OP, do you rip them to sell/share with people who, unlike yourself, haven't actually bought the DVD/BluRay through a legitimate source? I don't give two shits about anyone who rips a copy of a disk they purchased from Amazon/BestBuy/other company to use as a back-up copy, for a copy they can take while traveling, etc...But I DO care about those who rip copies to sell to others. THAT is what I meant by thieves...but then again, I think you knew that.
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does the original creator lose their copy of whatever when other people download it
 
norseamd said:
why do they need money just because of that. is the invention not enough for them?

do what ever you want.
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Are you a socialist or communist?

Why would a musician record music if he/she knew they wouldn't make money doing it? Do you think recording studio time is free?

How about movies? It costs millions of $$ to make a movie. Why would a studio spend that money to make a movie if they weren't going to make money on it? Remember, theater showings are only a small part of the movie viewing biz...rentals and home sales are also a HUGE part of the revenue.
 
norseamd said:
why do they need money just because of that. is the invention not enough for them?
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The production cost for movies, games, software, etc. is very expensive, and the decision to invest in that IP is made based on the assumption that the cost of production can be spread across many buyers. If that assumption doesn't hold because of rampant piracy, then there is no more incentive to produce the IP.

If you have a new way of monetizing IP that allows content creators to make a profit without selling something (via licensing fees, advertising, microtransactions, or other methods that have already been tried), start making some calls to the big content creators--they're always on the looking for new monetization strategies, and you could make some serious cash in consulting fees.

Somehow, I doubt you have any fresh ideas, and are simply an entitled brat that demands free stuff with no strings attached.
 
theevilsharpie said:
The production cost for movies, games, software, etc. is very expensive, and the decision to invest in that IP is made based on the assumption that the cost of production can be spread across many buyers. If that assumption doesn't hold because of rampant piracy, then there is no more incentive to produce the IP.

If you have a new way of monetizing IP that allows content creators to make a profit without selling something (via licensing fees, advertising, microtransactions, or other methods that have already been tried), start making some calls to the big content creators--they're always on the looking for new monetization strategies, and you could make some serious cash in consulting fees.

Somehow, I doubt you have any fresh ideas, and are simply an entitled brat that demands free stuff with no strings attached.
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First, these media companies are the biggest pirates of all. Look up how they've outright stolen IP for decades. They've stolen more than anyone when it comes to IP. Or maybe we should bring up the tons and tons of frivolous lawsuits where they tried to coerce the legal system into giving them judgements when they didn't actually have evidence? When that spectacularly failed over and over they're now trying to get the laws re-assessed by higher ups (they're seriously trying to get the Justice Department to basically push what they want), and are trying to get laws written/rewritten to make their cases legal.

Or what about all the lies, fabricated "data", and other BS they've used to try to claim piracy is the cause of their losses, oh wait, I mean record profits because that's what many of them have actually seen.

Or what about price fixing? Or this: http://pando.com/2014/02/25/revenge...-weapon-in-their-fight-against-big-hollywood/

Movie and game production is subsidized out the ass. Hollywood also uses fuzzy accounting like crazy too. Its not the fault of piracy when they spend $150 million for 2 actors and the marketing campaign alone and then the movie bombs because anyone with half a brain could've told them that no one gives a shit about the Lone Ranger or John Carter nowadays.

Study after study has shown piracy has not actually done jack shit to harm those companies and they've been making these claims for literally decades, and yet somehow, all of those industries have only grown.

BoomerD said:
Do you rip them for yourself, or, like the companies in the OP, do you rip them to sell/share with people who, unlike yourself, haven't actually bought the DVD/BluRay through a legitimate source?

I don't give two shits about anyone who rips a copy of a disk they purchased from Amazon/BestBuy/other company to use as a back-up copy, for a copy they can take while traveling, etc...But I DO care about those who rip copies to sell to others. THAT is what I meant by thieves...but then again, I think you knew that.
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Um, that's exactly what that program enables.
 
BoomerD said:
I'm not getting into that fucking argument with you. IP laws exist for a reason...to make money for the creator of said IP.
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That might be the intent but they often don't accomplish that because the IP setup is horribly broken. Ignoring the patent trolling and other BS that costs orders of magnitude more than even the bullshit figures Hollywood claims piracy costs, the MPAA and RIAA themselves are possibly the biggest IP thieves that exist.

http://www.today.com/id/15641336/ns.../million-dollar-ideas-often-stolen-hollywood/
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ing-hundreds-millions-royalties-artists.shtml

Those are just cursory links. If you actually look into this, its rampant and has been going on for a long time.
 
darkswordsman17 said:
First, these media companies are the biggest pirates of all. Look up how they've outright stolen IP for decades. They've stolen more than anyone when it comes to IP. Or maybe we should bring up the tons and tons of frivolous lawsuits where they tried to coerce the legal system into giving them judgements when they didn't actually have evidence? When that spectacularly failed over and over they're now trying to get the laws re-assessed by higher ups (they're seriously trying to get the Justice Department to basically push what they want), and are trying to get laws written/rewritten to make their cases legal.
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they often steal from the public domain and then claim it as their own. the pharmaceuticals tried to go through the ayerveda and patent the stuff in it. india made the whole book public domain. apparantly patent law does not follow the law it made itself and recognize prior art
 
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