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poofyhairguy
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There three perspectives at play here:
1. Legally Possible
2. Morally Possible
3. Technically Possible
Ever since copying VHS tapes fell into hands of consumers Technically Possible has been separated from Legally Possible and Morally Possible. And for the most part with consumer media Legally Possible has been close to Morally Possible, until the DMCA was signed.
The problem is that when Technically Possible is FAR away from Legally Possible, over time what is Morally Possible will shift towards the Technically Possible solution.
For example- Napster was a technically possible solution. But it gained wide acceptance in the mainstream because Morally Possible in the mainstream had shifted away from Legally
Possible due to recording industry tactics. Simply put, many thought record companies were crossing the moral hazard line when they forced people to buy hit singles via $15+ CDs full of filler tracks. So the "technically possible" solution suddenly was closer to the Morally Possible solution.
The music industry recognized this danger and shifted legally possible towards technically possible- $0.99 tracks instead of whole CDs, flat fee per month streaming services, etc. Now in that industry Technically Possible is very close to Legally Possible and therefore activities that were once more Morally Possible in society (aka a huge collection of pirate mp3s) are now less acceptable than ten years ago. Sure the music industry is a shell of what it was in say 1997, but it survived and still makes money. And honestly we learned we don't need layers of middlemen industry executives and talent scouts in society.
The movie industry better beware that they do not let Legally Possible get too far away from Technically Possible. Just paying for a law like the DMCA doesn't help anything if the public sympathies keep Morally Possible close to Technically Possible because laws and enforcement are based on what is acceptable to the populace, and soon they will find their paid-for DMCA lacks any teeth because no-one has the stomach to help them fight for what is legally possible.
Sure for the TV and movie industry that reality kinda sucks. Where before they could count on repurchases for new distribution streams or being able to push to what the market will bear for pricing, if they accept reality suddenly they have to find a way to pay the bills with some sort of $50 a month TV streaming service (like a TV Spotify).
But the alternative is far worse- ignore what is technically possible and eventually morally possible will be close to technically possible and far away from legally possible (we are close with all the illegitimate streaming sites). At that point the market will determine their content is worth NOTHING (or close to nothing) and they won't have the public sympathy to use our public legal system to enforce what they feel is the value of their content.
If they screw this period up, they could end up MUCH worse off instead of a little worse off. A $50 streaming service brings in more money then the $0 you get from some Chinese streaming site.
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RadiclDreamer
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Why good? There are several legal uses for this product. Just because some abuse it doesnt mean its bad.
Ichinisan
Lifer
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It's nothing new. Remember DVD X Copy? DVD Shrink? DVD Decrypter? They've all been targeted / shut-down with legal threats based on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. I consider the DMCA to be invalid because it contradicts pre-existing fair use laws.
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one big difference between music and movies/tv, legally, is that music is covered under a compulsory license statute. so you get streaming services pumping out lots of music because they have a known fixed cost and can predict their cost and revenue. movies/tv is under no compulsory license and wants to fight that.
congress is free to rewrite the laws when it pleases.
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The sad thing is most of the new Blu-Ray disc come with a "Digital Copy" disc, but when I checked out the file you get its like 720 x 300. I'm sure that is ok for mobile devices and probably the actual intent of it, but make that digital copy exact 1080P file then we have another option. Until then I will be using MakeMKV.
Right now my server has 275 Blu-Ray and DVD mixed videos and I have another handful of new ones to add. I need to upgrade my server haha.
Right now my server has 275 Blu-Ray and DVD mixed videos and I have another handful of new ones to add. I need to upgrade my server haha.
norseamd
Lifer
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do you get social security?
a question for you
do political ideas or positions without a label scare you?
norseamd
Lifer
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old pictures of 1,200 legit store bought DVDs. DVDFab is aimed at people that bought shit ton of content and want to rip it onto media server. Good thing I don't have to deal with American bullshit laws.
possibly you might have to deal with those laws. maybe quicker than you think. the content industry is going internatinal and already has been putting huge pressure on foreign governments and breaking their soveirgnty with the us using political pressure to force governments to go along with the content industries. this may break the consitution or many us laws and also un laws
norseamd
Lifer
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the content companies likely are thinking if they can start to implement that
norseamd
Lifer
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ImpulsE69
Lifer
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Well of course they are. The punishment for killing someone is a slap on the wrist compared to what they want to do to people who go against the IP business.
Not to mention both gun makers and IP owners lobby the government (not the software makers).
The cool part is it doesn't matter if someone shuts these kind of things down. They will just pop back up (or since we're on the topic) they'll just pirate them off torrent sites ;p
DrPizza
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Let me get this straight - people think that pirates will pay $60 for software to rip DVDs? That's pretty idiotic. The people who go to the DVDFab site are people who *PAY*. That is, I'd surmise that the vast, vast majority of their customer base are people who simply want to digitize their movies for ease of playing them.
ImpulsE69
Lifer
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I think the thought is that because the software is out there, it allows pirates to pirate which inherently makes it wrong. However, that line of thought is flawed by nearly everything in existence that can do harm to someone.
sportage
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I really doubt anyone copies DVD's in mass and sells them. Like voter fraud, very rare.
What people do do with programs like dvdfab is rip to files to load onto their devices, pads, phones. THAT should be 100% legal.
I'd much rather have all my purchased 300+ DVD collection ripped into files and stored in iTunes, loadable onto pads and phones and accessible thru apple TV.
Who wants to hunt down then grab a physical disc and load it into the player?
And pads nor phones have DVD slots. You have to rip.
All this copy and ripping should be totally legal. When you buy a DVD, who sets the limits as to how you can watch your purchased movie? Hell... Sony should be making their own version of DVDfab so one can copy and rip their collection.
Where I think DVDfab went wrong was expanding support to high deff video, blu-ray, and the like. Seems companies like Sony are more freaked when someone can clone a blu-ray vs your standard DVD. Dvd fab should have just stuck with DVD copy and ripping.
iTunes allows people to rip their music CD's into their iTunes collection.
Why not allow the ripping of DVD disc's as well, iTunes?
What people do do with programs like dvdfab is rip to files to load onto their devices, pads, phones. THAT should be 100% legal.
I'd much rather have all my purchased 300+ DVD collection ripped into files and stored in iTunes, loadable onto pads and phones and accessible thru apple TV.
Who wants to hunt down then grab a physical disc and load it into the player?
And pads nor phones have DVD slots. You have to rip.
All this copy and ripping should be totally legal. When you buy a DVD, who sets the limits as to how you can watch your purchased movie? Hell... Sony should be making their own version of DVDfab so one can copy and rip their collection.
Where I think DVDfab went wrong was expanding support to high deff video, blu-ray, and the like. Seems companies like Sony are more freaked when someone can clone a blu-ray vs your standard DVD. Dvd fab should have just stuck with DVD copy and ripping.
iTunes allows people to rip their music CD's into their iTunes collection.
Why not allow the ripping of DVD disc's as well, iTunes?
norseamd
Lifer
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do you ignore the half of the tech industry and what they say about ip and what is happening with governements around the world?
never been to this site?
https://www.techdirt.com/
ImpulsE69
Lifer
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They were just as freaked about DVD back in the day, and "legal" allowing of ripping of CD's was a long time in the making. All in all it is outdated company mindsets. Apparently they aren't losing enough money to not be able to afford to sway the government into doing their bidding. Guess it's time to change that.
No, it sounds dirty. I don't want to catch any bad karma from a dirty site.
Quick question: do you or do you not have a neanderthal matrilineal line?
norseamd
Lifer
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to answer your stupid question
go research human human evolutionary and demographic history
and yes i remember this question from before
So can US courts just steal anyone's website anywhere, if we don't like the laws of other countries?
How dare other countries have their own laws.
lamedude
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bruceb
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DVDFAB was based in China, a country with little regard to anyone's laws. They make counterfeit products all the time and internet use in that country is highly regulated / restricted / censored. And yes, I am surprised the US gov't was able to shut down a server in another country. The company was not violating any laws by making the program. The law breaking comes when people or organized crime, use it to make and sell illegal copies of dvds. They could add a watermark to the copies that would identify who made them, so that you could not sell them without it being able to be tracked back to you. All my dvds are store bought and I have backed up some of them (every now and then, even a factory dvd goes bad and guess what? They will not replace it for you. They would expect you to pay for it AGAIN)
I still remember that atrocity. I was very happy when it died.
Back to the original topic... I'm amazed at the lengths many companies will go to to do things that make me actively AVOID buying their products. DRM, activation, service dependent products are all things I despise and try to avoid. Just let me buy your product and do whatever I want with it, without restriction.
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