Dubai Skyscraper almost completed....

[ColdFusion718]

Wow they are really compensating for something, aren't they?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Any pool going as to when a terrorist will bring it down?

Why, is the US Army building a barracks in the lobby?

Wow, equating our soldiers to terrorists. Don't bother trying to explain your way out of it.

it's jpeyton...

Supposedly the terrorists hate the West, Dubai is commercializing like the West since they will run out of oil soon.

Also, it's easier to blow up something in your backyard than it is to blow up something across the ocean.

Dude, at least do your research before you spew your blatant hatred of anything that is remotely arab.

name 1 thing that I stated that was false

 

[theMan]

so that's where my money goes when i buy gas...

and i read somewhere those workers are getting paid almost zero. i wonder how easy it is to bolt something down when i haven't eaten or slept in days. i wouldn't trust that building. i bet it'll have a catastrophic failure in the first could years. eek.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: KLin
I know I've asked this before, but which terrorist group is going to be the first to take it out with a 747?

You could fly an A380 into it and it still wouldn't go down. Properly engineered and constructed skyscrapers don't go down if a single plane hits it. I guess that tells you something about the quality of the twin towers.

Besides, all you need to do to prevent another 9/11 is put about $50 worth of steel reinforcements on the cockpit door.

Yes, properly engineered AND constructed skyscrapers. This one is only half way "proper."

 

[theMan]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
I watched several shows on the construction and engineering of that building.
With some of the 'shortcuts' they made, I would be very concerned.

The construction crews were so inept that the foreman in charge was ready to quit.
They couldn't even build a cinder block wall properly in the basement.

Another thing was that as they were building up they noticed that it wasn't constructed properly so the upper floors were leaning further and further in. The solution they used was to add more thickness to the outer walls to make it work.


I see bad things for this towers future.

true that my friend. they are importing workers from impoverished countries like bangladesh. i am incredibly concerned about this tower.

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Awesome looking, huge, but I wouldn't set foot anywhere near that thing. I'm sure the engineering was great, but I don't trust that anything was done right when building it!

From my first hand experience in the professional world..............

Out of the 4 workers from India that I have worked with:
100% of them were lazy
They had to be taught something over and over
They could not think freely
They would not admit to any wrong doing
They had to be taught again
They misunderstood the first 3 teachings and asked the same question again
Blamed someone else for their shortcomings
They were impervious to reasoning
They had to be taught a 5th time

 

[ThePresence]

This thread had potential but failed hard.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: theman
so that's where my money goes when i buy gas...

and i read somewhere those workers are getting paid almost zero. i wonder how easy it is to bolt something down when i haven't eaten or slept in days. i wouldn't trust that building. i bet it'll have a catastrophic failure in the first could years. eek.

Actually they got paid $7/day, which is a good wage in that part of the world. A quick FYI, we don't set the world's minimum wage here in the US.

The Petronas Towers in Malaysia, the Shanghai World Finance Center, the Taipei 101, were all made with cheap labor. Have they fallen? Were you concerned about them?

The greatest structures in the world were made with cheap or slave labor and many are still standing thousands of years later.

Remember that the labor is cheap, but the engineers who design and test the structures are not cheap at all.

Anyway, I doubt anyone here who is spouting off about the structural integrity of this building has even taken one college level civil engineering or construction management course.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: preslove
By oil $ I mean the money spent there by oil tycoons from other Arab countries. It is a hideaway for wealthy Arabs. Once the Arabian peninsula and Iran start running out of oil, the Arabs and Iranians will stop spending lavish amounts of money there. Westerners won't make up the balance, and will stop going. At that point Dubai is fucked.

Ummm no. And you're welcome to provide a credible source to back that absurd theory.

You're a pompous idiot.

Dubai is the financial services, tourism, and trading hub of the middle east. While the Middle East has been flush with oil money, Dubai has been able to take their cut and go on this huge investment boom, building huge, monumentally wasteful (in electricity and water) projects with shitty material. Once all the oil in the region starts drying up so will all the tourism, services, and trading $ that is making Dubai rich. All that wasteful construction will be worthless once they can't afford to air condition their huge buildings.

It's common fucking sense.

Your analysis has the depth of a 4th grade research paper.

OMG, what is the US going to do when the oil dries up? How will we drive, move freight, produce plastics, fertilize crops, harvest crops, transport food, support the automotive industry, support the airline industry, pave our roads, etc.?

It is impossible to adapt. Might as well roll over and die.

The US has a dynamic economy with a very (well, relatively) educated population.

Dubai's economy is based on a permanent underclass of foreign workers who'll never integrate into the society.

How is building an unsustainable, wasteful city in the middle of a desert that is solely focused on providing a luxury consumer lifestyle to (temporarily) rich oil tycoons adaptation?

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: theman
so that's where my money goes when i buy gas...

and i read somewhere those workers are getting paid almost zero. i wonder how easy it is to bolt something down when i haven't eaten or slept in days. i wouldn't trust that building. i bet it'll have a catastrophic failure in the first could years. eek.

Actually they got paid $7/hour, which is a good wage in that part of the world. A quick FYI, we don't set the world's minimum wage here in the US.

The Petronas Towers in Malaysia, the Shanghai World Finance Center, the Taipei 101, were all made with cheap labor. Have they fallen? Were you concerned about them?

The greatest structures in the world were made with cheap or slave labor and many are still standing thousands of years later.

Remember that the labor is cheap, but the engineers who design and test the structures are not cheap at all.

Anyway, I doubt anyone here who is spouting off about the structural integrity of this building has even taken one college level civil engineering or construction management course.

:roll:

They were paid $7 a DAY. And Dubai is experiencing a shit ton of inflation, making that an extremely low wage.
Wikipedia

Burj Dubai is being built primarily by immigrant engineers and workers from Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, China and the Philippines.[32] Press reports indicate that skilled carpenters at the site earn US$7.60/day, and laborers earn US$4.00.[32][33] Unions were forbidden in the United Arab Emirates up until recently, when the government announced steps to allow construction unions.[34] On March 21, 2006, workers upset over low wages and poor working conditions rioted, damaging cars, offices, computers, and construction equipment. A Dubai Interior Ministry official said the rioters caused approximately US$1m in damage. Most workers returned the following day but refused to work. Workers building a new terminal at Dubai International Airport also joined that day's strike action.

The United Arab Emirates dirham's close connection with the low US Dollar, and the increased cost-of-living in the region, has made it increasingly difficult for immigrant construction workers to survive on their wages. An offer by the UAE government in June 2007 to fly home illegal immigrant workers free-of-charge, with no questions asked, was met with overwhelming demand, further threatening the supply of workers on Burj Dubai and other Dubai construction projects. As of June 17, 2008 there are 7,500 skilled workers employed in the construction of Burj Dubai.[11]

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: preslove
By oil $ I mean the money spent there by oil tycoons from other Arab countries. It is a hideaway for wealthy Arabs. Once the Arabian peninsula and Iran start running out of oil, the Arabs and Iranians will stop spending lavish amounts of money there. Westerners won't make up the balance, and will stop going. At that point Dubai is fucked.

Ummm no. And you're welcome to provide a credible source to back that absurd theory.

You're a pompous idiot.

Dubai is the financial services, tourism, and trading hub of the middle east. While the Middle East has been flush with oil money, Dubai has been able to take their cut and go on this huge investment boom, building huge, monumentally wasteful (in electricity and water) projects with shitty material. Once all the oil in the region starts drying up so will all the tourism, services, and trading $ that is making Dubai rich. All that wasteful construction will be worthless once they can't afford to air condition their huge buildings.

It's common fucking sense.

Your analysis has the depth of a 4th grade research paper.

OMG, what is the US going to do when the oil dries up? How will we drive, move freight, produce plastics, fertilize crops, harvest crops, transport food, support the automotive industry, support the airline industry, pave our roads, etc.?

It is impossible to adapt. Might as well roll over and die.

The US has a dynamic economy with a very (well, relatively) educated population.

Dubai's economy is based on a permanent underclass of foreign workers who'll never integrate into the society.

How is building an unsustainable, wasteful city in the middle of a desert that is solely focused on providing a luxury consumer to (temporarily) rich oil tycoons adaptation?

its jpeyton, stop while you still have brain cells left

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: preslove
Man, that place is going to be a wasteland in 60 years, after the oil $ stops rushing in.

It already stopped rushing in. From Wiki:

Although Dubai's economy was built on the back of the oil industry,[65] revenues from oil and natural gas currently account for less than 6% of the emirate's revenues.[8] It is estimated that Dubai produces 240,000 barrels of oil a day and substantial quantities of gas from offshore fields. The emirate's share in UAE's gas revenues is about 2%. Dubai's oil reserves have diminished significantly and are expected to be exhausted in 20 years. A majority of the emirate's revenues are from trade, real estate and financial services.

Dubai is transforming itself into the Monaco of the middle east. A small hideaway for the wealthy. Even Trump is building a skyscraper there.

The real estate market is soft in the US; it's great for buyers (especially foreign ones), but hard for builders and sellers.

Monaco? Really? All the money in the world can't buy you class.

 

[KeithTalent]

Wow, what the hell happened here, I thought we were all just gathering around to marvel at the gigantic phallic symbol.

KT

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: preslove
:roll:

They were paid $7 a DAY. And Dubai is experiencing a shit ton of inflation.
Wikipedia

What's your point? More than half the shit you own was built by people who make less than that.

If cheap labor automatically equals junk, America must be the junk capital of the world because we inhale Chinese goods like Daryl Strawberry does coke.

 

[yours truly]

i wonder what the ratio of arabs blowing up buildings is vs americans blowing up buildings in the last 60 years?

havent slept in awhile, not sure if that makes sense

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: preslove
:roll:

They were paid $7 a DAY. And Dubai is experiencing a shit ton of inflation.
Wikipedia

What's your point? More than half the shit you own was built by people who make less than that.

If cheap labor automatically equals junk, America must be the junk capital of the world because we inhale Chinese goods like Daryl Strawberry does coke.

1. You had your facts wrong. I like how you chose this post to trim the quotes...
2. Yes, cheap labor = junk product.
3. While Americans do purchase many cheap products from China, we don't purchase skyscrapers from them.
4. WTF are you doing using a Daryl Strawberry reference for?

Fail.

 

[TuxDave]

wtf... apparantly it's not tall enough for them so they're planning the next one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Burj

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: preslove
The US has a dynamic economy with a very (well, relatively) educated population.

Dubai's economy is based on a permanent underclass of foreign workers who'll never integrate into the society.

How is building an unsustainable, wasteful city in the middle of a desert that is solely focused on providing a luxury consumer lifestyle to (temporarily) rich oil tycoons adaptation?

Our "dynamic" economy is compartmentalized and soaked with petroleum at every level. Who do you think will have more growing pains adjusting to a world without oil, Dubai (pop. 2.2 million, area 1600 sq mi) or the USA (pop. 300 million, area 3.8 million sq mi)? Your misplaced concern is stupefying.

The US used plenty of cheap/slave immigrant labor to build our national infrastructure. Highways, railroads, cities. Learn some American history before you parade around pretending our situation is so unique.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: preslove
The US has a dynamic economy with a very (well, relatively) educated population.

Dubai's economy is based on a permanent underclass of foreign workers who'll never integrate into the society.

How is building an unsustainable, wasteful city in the middle of a desert that is solely focused on providing a luxury consumer lifestyle to (temporarily) rich oil tycoons adaptation?

Our "dynamic" economy is compartmentalized and soaked with petroleum at every level. Who do you think will have more growing pains adjusting to a world without oil, Dubai (pop. 2.2 million, area 1600 sq mi) or the USA (pop. 300 million, area 3.8 million sq mi)? Your misplaced concern is stupefying.

I'm talking about 60 years from now, moran. I'm not concerned. I was just making a statement about the future of an unsustainable city.

At that time, I would rather be in the country with a dynamic economy (and electric cars) than the one whose economy is based on tourism, capital, and trade from petrostates running out of petrol.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: preslove
The US has a dynamic economy with a very (well, relatively) educated population.

Dubai's economy is based on a permanent underclass of foreign workers who'll never integrate into the society.

How is building an unsustainable, wasteful city in the middle of a desert that is solely focused on providing a luxury consumer lifestyle to (temporarily) rich oil tycoons adaptation?

Our "dynamic" economy is compartmentalized and soaked with petroleum at every level. Who do you think will have more growing pains adjusting to a world without oil, Dubai (pop. 2.2 million, area 1600 sq mi) or the USA (pop. 300 million, area 3.8 million sq mi)? Your misplaced concern is stupefying.

The US used plenty of cheap/slave immigrant labor to build our national infrastructure. Highways, railroads, cities. Learn some American history before you parade around pretending our situation is so unique.

The slave labor in Dubai will never be allowed to enter society there. They will be slaughtered or deported with 21st century techniques.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: preslove
I'm talking about 60 years from now, moran. I'm not concerned. I was just making a statement about the future of an unsustainable city.

At that time, I would rather be in the country with a dynamic economy (and electric cars) than the one whose economy is based on tourism, capital, and trade from petrostates running out of petrol.

Wow, 60 year predictions. Why stop there, tell us what the world will be like 100 years from now.

Making predictions so far into the future that nobody will bother to confirm or deny their truth is always fun. I predict you'll still be making clueless predictions 75 years from now.

 

[Atheus]

CanOWorms you have some sort of weird neurological problem.

 

[duragezic]

Funny I was just checking for any updates on it yesterday. That thing is insane. Almost a half mile high. WTF?!

Anyway call me dumb, and I guess it is the same storywith any skyscraper, but that crane up there is just crazy. How do they get it up and down? With a helicopter maybe?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: duragezic
Funny I was just checking for any updates on it yesterday. That thing is insane. Almost a half mile high. WTF?!

Anyway call me dumb, and I guess it is the same storywith any skyscraper, but that crane up there is just crazy. How do they get it up and down? With a helicopter maybe?

Those cranes build themselves in-situ. I expect they winch the sections up.

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Wow, what the hell happened here, I thought we were all just gathering around to marvel at the gigantic phallic symbol.

KT

No doubt. Typically a thread like this devolves into this sort of stupid shit anway, unfortunately. That, and jpeyton posted in here so you know it's gonna be fuct sooner or later (most likely the former).