drumpf literally wanting a safe space

[HamburgerBoy]

My bet is that the Republican establishment takes him down in year one. They have a historic and unexpected opportunity to shape the future. Trump was the bulldozer that got them there but from this point forward he is a liability.

Nah, they'll likely lose their super-majority by 2018 and even if Trump murdered someone in public the day of his inauguration, he'd fight impeachment kicking and screaming all the way to the next election cycle. They have no choice but to capitulate.

 

[MajinCry]

Could you tell what public policies are currently in place that perpetuate the situation you believe exists wrt Native Americans?

As far as the institutionalization goes, you ruled out the horrors of the Reservation Schools due to wanting current policies. Can only think of one, but it's a good 'un.

www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/women-s-rights/violence-against-women/maze-of-injustice

"Tribal prosecutors cannot prosecute crimes committed by non-Native perpetrators. Tribal courts are also prohibited from passing custodial sentences that are in keeping with the seriousness of the crimes of rape or other forms of sexual violence.

As a direct result of passage of the Tribal Law and Order Act, the maximum prison sentence tribal courts can now impose for any crimes, including rape, is three years, up from the previous maximum of one year. In comparison, the average prison sentence for rape handed down by state or federal courts is between eight years and eight months and 12 years and 10 months respectively. "

Native American communities cannot prosecute non-Natives that commit crimes in the community. Now, they've been given permission (how quaint) to offer lengthier sentences upon Native Americans that commit crimes in their communities.

But if a white American rapes a Native American woman? Suck it up Red.


Also, these provide some rather good perspective.

No emergency services, fuck all telecommunications and internet: http://www.indian.senate.gov/sites/...ld_hearings/GeoffreyBlackwell&pageid=9339.pdf

Mineral Rights abuses, where US corporations can practice all the cowboy resource extraction they want, and since it's convenient to declare it sovereign, the corporations are held unaccountable and don't have to bother cleaning up contamination in, say, fresh water supplies for affected Native American communities. - http://www.wavesforwater.org/project/pine-ridge


Edit: Linked the wrong article. First link should have been to Amnesty.

 

[stormkroe]

Kudos to the actor for doing things the right way. The frustrating thing about this whole ordeal is that, had trump remained silent, he would have been accused of being beta and too weak to stand up for his VP. Not by everyone, of course, but I'd bet a Slovakian red-back that some in PnN would.

 

[lopri]

There always is room for a spin, I take it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That is a strawman. The argument was that there is no such thing as white privilege, which we can now agree to actually be, err, "a thing".

As to what acknowledging it will do, that's fairly obvious. A good ol' metaphor will suffice.

If you are suffering a necrotic, infectious, cancerous wound that could readily be taken care of, through a few hospital visits and a long-term steady dose of medication, but are completely oblivious to both facts, nothing will be done.

However, if you know that the problem exists, and how to articulate it to others that may also deny it's existence, that's the first step.

But denying it will just make the wound fester and spread.

Good analogy. So I am not the guy who is suffering the wound. I walked into the room after the first guy already injured himself. I had nothing to do with his injury and absolutely agree he needs to get to the hospital.
But I don't know what the best treatment should be, and I am not sure I agree with the policies to prevent such injuries in the future, because those policies do impact me.

Also, the tone of those making the argument for white privilege usually sounds more like f'ing white people.

 

[Kazukian]

So there we go; that right there is "white privilege". If you were born red, your life is fucking terrible; you will probably never have the compounded opportunities that would allow you to escape poverty, and the horrific racism will not fade.

White Americans are generally not allotted such despair through sake of birth. Red Americans are.

American Indian culture makes it difficult for them to adapt to modern life, it's like an inner city mentality of "selling out" to succeed in white culture. I've been on every major reservation in a North and South Dakota, my daughter is 1/4 native, and my mother worked for 4 Bears for years. One of my patients was AI died from huffing paint in Texas, he was from SD, I called his aunt in SD and told her he and I were friends and he was a good man, he was in his 20's a life wasted. I don't think racism is much of an issue for AI's, it's more of a cultural thing.

 

[m8d]

The Conservatives are just a bunch of hypocrites who have dished out smears of Obama since he was elected...seems like they can dish it out, but cannot take it themselves. Think it was much more disrespectful for a Republican member of Congress to stand up during a SOTU speech and call Obama a liar.

 

[MajinCry]

American Indian culture makes it difficult for them to adapt to modern life, it's like an inner city mentality of "selling out" to succeed in white culture. I've been on every major reservation in a North and South Dakota, my daughter is 1/4 native, and my mother worked for 4 Bears for years. One of my patients was AI died from huffing paint in Texas, he was from SD, I called his aunt in SD and told her he and I were friends and he was a good man, he was in his 20's a life wasted. I don't think racism is much of an issue for AI's, it's more of a cultural thing.

Not really true. Those rape dungeons, the Reservation Schools, finally ended in the mid 90s. Native Americans were only given the right to vote in the 50s.

And then there's this:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aic.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_poverty#Extreme_poverty

On the subject of substance abuse, allow me to chuck this in:

http://alcoholrehab.com/drug-addiction/substance-abuse-consequence-sexual-abuse/

Sexual abuse is defined as sexual-based acts or events that cause trauma to the victim. These events or acts include sexual assault, child molestation, rape, incest, hate crimes based on gender identity or sexual orientation and sexual harassment. Sexual abuse can cause significant physical and mental harm to the victim, some of whom take a long time to be able to move on from the abuse.

Studies have shown that there is a strong correlation between the history of sexual abuse and the manifestation of addictive behavior, especially in women. 1 out of every 6 women and 1 in 33 men in America have been the victim of sexual assault or rape in their lifetime. 15 percent of victims are under age of 12. Sexual abuse victims are 3 times more likely to suffer depression, 6 times more likely to suffer post-traumatic stress disorder, 13 times more likely to abuse alcohol and 26 times more likely to abuse drugs than those who have not been sexually abused.

And the kicker:

https://www.justice.gov/ovw/tribal-communities

"American Indians are 2.5 times more likely to experience sexual assault crimes compared to all other races, and one in three Indian women reports having been raped during her lifetime."

Pretty sure this all alludes to racism.

 

[Starbuck1975]

As far as the institutionalization goes, you ruled out the horrors of the Reservation Schools due to wanting current policies. Can only think of one, but it's a good 'un.

www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/women-s-rights/violence-against-women/maze-of-injustice



Native American communities cannot prosecute non-Natives that commit crimes in the community. Now, they've been given permission (how quaint) to offer lengthier sentences upon Native Americans that commit crimes in their communities.

But if a white American rapes a Native American woman? Suck it up Red.


Also, these provide some rather good perspective.

No emergency services, fuck all telecommunications and internet: http://www.indian.senate.gov/sites/...ld_hearings/GeoffreyBlackwell&pageid=9339.pdf

Mineral Rights abuses, where US corporations can practice all the cowboy resource extraction they want, and since it's convenient to declare it sovereign, the corporations are held unaccountable and don't have to bother cleaning up contamination in, say, fresh water supplies for affected Native American communities. - http://www.wavesforwater.org/project/pine-ridge


Edit: Linked the wrong article. First link should have been to Amnesty.

One other thought. Many native american tribes learned to put casinos on their land and have provided economic opportunity to their people as a result.

If I could choose between where I started in life vs the son of a tribal leader enriched by casino money, I would choose to be native american.

The fallacy of the white privilege argument is that opportunity is often a function of where you start in life, with skin color being one of several complex equations and contributing factors

 

[Kazukian]

Not really true. Those rape dungeons, the Reservation Schools, finally ended in the mid 90s. Native Americans were only given the right to vote in the 50s.

And then there's this:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/aic.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_poverty#Extreme_poverty

On the subject of substance abuse, allow me to chuck this in:

http://alcoholrehab.com/drug-addiction/substance-abuse-consequence-sexual-abuse/



And the kicker:

https://www.justice.gov/ovw/tribal-communities



Pretty sure this all alludes to racism.

And you've never set foot on a reservation... have you even met an American Indian? I married one (at least 50%) and my college roommate was a half breed. The shit you're talking about ended long ago.

Here's a casino on Standing Rock: http://prairieknights.com/

4 Bears: http://www.mhanation.com/index.html

That DOJ study is 20 years old, WTF?

 

[Jaskalas]

Kudos to the actor for doing things the right way. The frustrating thing about this whole ordeal is that, had trump remained silent, he would have been accused of being beta and too weak to stand up for his VP. Not by everyone, of course, but I'd bet a Slovakian red-back that some in PnN would.

If Trump stayed silent, no one would know it even happened.

 

[MajinCry]

One other thought. Many native american tribes learned to put casinos on their land and have provided economic opportunity to their people as a result.

If I could choose between where I started in life vs the son of a tribal leader enriched by casino money, I would choose to be native american.

The fallacy of the white privilege argument is that opportunity is often a function of where you start in life, with skin color being one of several complex equations

Well, again, this is just more racism founded through ignorance.

There are over 500 Native American tribes, and only around 200 Native American casinos.

Of these 200, it is a select few that make damn near all the money; you might only need to count off of the fingers on both your hands, to number them.

Read 'ere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_gaming

Anecdotal as I can't find the article (shoulda had it bookmarked, but forgot), but I do remember reading that there are extremely heavy taxes on casino funds being transferred from one tribe to another, to the point that it would leave little for the tribe that has a decent profit (not just revenue, mind).

 

[Kazukian]

Well, again, this is just more racism founded through ignorance.

There are over 500 Native American tribes, and only around 200 Native American casinos.

Of these 200, it is a select few that make damn near all the money; you might only need to count off of the fingers on both your hands, to number them.

Read 'ere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_gaming

Anecdotal as I can't find the article (shoulda had it bookmarked, but forgot), but I do remember reading that there are extremely heavy taxes on casino funds being transferred from one tribe to another, to the point that it would leave little for the tribe that has a decent profit (not just revenue, mind).

You need to read your own links, 480 casinos as of 2011.

 

[MajinCry]

And you've never set foot on a reservation... have you even met an American Indian? I married one (at least 50%) and my college roommate was a half breed. The shit you're talking about ended long ago.

Here's a casino on Standing Rock: http://prairieknights.com/

4 Bears: http://www.mhanation.com/index.html

Could you give me a timeframe, on where the rampant, Native American victimizing rape ended?

Also, do the same for when all the reservations were made null, and Native Americans welcomed into society as members of the first world, rather than a race to be kept out of sight, and out of mind?

Oh, and what was the year that the reservations were all granted schools (even of just mediocre quality; far better than rape dungeons masquerading as schools), hospitals, police, emergency services and equal treatment of the law? Don't have to give the specific year, to the nearest couple decades will suffice.

 

[MajinCry]

You need to read your own links, 480 casinos as of 2011.

Well, if we're going to be like that, I must ask; have you read more than just the back of a toothpaste tube?

460 gambling operations run by 240 tribes

 

[Kazukian]

Could you give me a timeframe, on where the rampant, Native American victimizing rape ended?

Also, do the same for when all the reservations were made null, and Native Americans welcomed into society as members of the first world, rather than a race to be kept out of sight, and out of mind?

Oh, and what was the year that the reservations were all granted schools (even of just mediocre quality; far better than rape dungeons masquerading as schools), hospitals, police, emergency services and equal treatment of the law? Don't have to give the specific year, to the nearest couple decades will suffice.

You realize they have their own police, right? Only the Feds can mess around on the reservation. It's the native american's show. You need to BTFO, because you're really clueless, or go on the res and tell them how it's done so they can kick your ass. My mom's an honorary grandmother of the tribes she worked for, ceremony and everything, and I've been to more pow wows than I can remember.

Oh wait, you're the expert on another continent. Sorry your parents ignored you.

 

[Paratus]

I have tickets in Chicago for late December but if some patriotic souls decided to tank the resale pricing for the week we are in NYC...

Check stubhub and Ticketmaster resale tickets about a week before you go. They should be down to their minimums. At least that's how it worked this summer.

 

[yoddle]

Just saw this video, doesn't look like the Dixon did anything disrespectful. Just a respectful comment to the future VP. And I think Pence also took it well.

Don't know why trump is so angry of these comments made by Dixon. He seems to be very uncomfortable with any type of perceived criticism.

shouldn't he be spending the time in planning his transitions? Where does he have so much free time now that he is elected? I'd imaging he should have a million thing to do to prepare to manage a big country like ours.

 

[MajinCry]

You realize they have their own police, right? Only the Feds can mess around on the reservation. It's the native american's show. You need to BTFO, because you're really clueless, or go on the res and tell them how it's done so they can kick your ass. My mom's an honorary grandmother of the tribes she worked for, ceremony and everything, and I've been to more pow wows than I can remember.

Oh wait, you're the expert on another continent. Sorry your parents ignored you.

To clarify, you're saying that AmnestyUSA lied, when it stated that Native American communities cannot prosecute non-Natives that commit crimes in said community?

That the US DoJ lied about the rampant rape of Native American women?

That there is no extreme poverty on the reservations?

That there is no issue in regards to fresh water, healthcare, electricity, economic opportunities, and educational institutes?

That the interracial violence statistics are lies in numerical form?

Simple yes/no answer. You've stated as much so far, but I just want to be certain of your position.

 

[JSt0rm]

I am actually an Australian anarchist trapeze artist. You were so close.

no you are an unamerican communist plant. Like oroo and blue max. You should be water boarded to get your secrets.

 

[Kazukian]

I'm saying your information is old, that the tribes police themselves, if a non Indian commits a crime, the state or the Feds step in. It's complicated, but it's the best we can do and still allow the tribes the autonomy they wish. It's their show.

The Wild West was a long time ago, and that other shit you're talking about is decades old. Are you autistic or something?

 

[MajinCry]

I'm saying your information is old, that the tribes police themselves, if a non Indian commits a crime, the state or the Feds step in. It's complicated, but it's the best we can do and still allow the tribes the autonomy they wish. It's their show.

The Wild West was a long time ago, and that other shit you're talking about is decades old. Are you autistic or something?

Sorry sunshine, but those stats aren't from 1855.

And it's rather quaint. "To allow the tribes to be sovereign, we take away their sovereignty". Also, do tell me the dates you're seeing for the given statistics, and why you think they are from 150 years ago.

 

[Kazukian]

Sorry sunshine, but those stats aren't from 1855.

And it's rather quaint. "To allow the tribes to be sovereign, we take away their sovereignty". Also, do tell me the dates you're seeing for the given statistics, and why you think they are from 150 years ago.

The tribes want it the way it is, they have quite a bit of political clout.

But hey, you're welcome to come to the states and show them how it's done, instead of being a keyboard warrior on another continent, I'm sure they'd welcome your advice, LOL.

The last Indian child rapist I knew of was taken out 20 miles from anywhere in the middle of winter, stripped and told if he lived long enough to make it back home, that was fine. He didn't last long.

The other thing to consider is it's their culture. They're resistant to change, and it's their call. You may be offended by things that happen on the reservation, but it's their culture, their rules, they don't give a flying fuck about your social mores, etc, and they'll tell you that to your face. But again, I encourage you to come here and see for yourself.

 

[IronWing]

You are correct that tribes have limited authority to prosecute non-Indians for crimes committed on the res. Your assumption that these crimes therefore are not prosecuted is incorrect. The tribal police turn the suspects over to the feds for prosecution. IMHO, giving tribal courts the authority to try non-Indians for crimes committed on the res would be a good thing.

Congress pulled back authority from the tribes for prosecuting serious Indian on Indian crimes on the reservations because the tribal courts were being crushed by an explosion of drug-related violent crime. Again, the tribal courts lacked capacity for prosecuting the crimes and therefore perps were walking free.

The feds have been trying for decades to build capacity within the tribes to take care of their own affairs. Some tribes and nations have thrived while others are mired in poverty and crime. You mention Pine Ridge above. Pine Ridge is one of the basket cases. Most reservations have no where near the problems Pine Ridge has. There has been substantial devolution of authorities to the tribes and nations. For example, BIA now works as a contractor to many tribes where the tribe determines what services it would like from BIA. This is a huge shift from BIA dictating the terms of engagement. However, the bottom line is that the federal government has trust responsibilities for Indian lands and Indian welfare that, by treaty and by law, it cannot simply walk away from and turn over to the tribal governments. To do so would require new treaties and Congressional consent.

The reservation system does have a fatal flaw for economic development. The Indians don't own the reservation land and therefore can't sell the land. This means that there is no ability to take out a mortgage or lien in order to raise capital for entrepreneurial activity. Some tribes have adopted the 99-year lease model that Hawaiian natives use but most have not. This leads to a cash based economy drastically slowing economic growth from what is possible in a partially debt based economy.

 

[KMFJD]

It's funny/sad how Trump thinks the cast owes Pence an apology when he goes around doing shit like this...