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Doughboy, Michael Moore's bodyguard gets caught packing heat

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: mwtgg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Riight, it's all the liberal media's fault. Sure.
Did FoxNews confirm that the guy was employed by Michael Moore? Did they confirm that he was on duty as Michael Moore's bodyguard at the time of the arrest. Did they confirm that MM knew that this guy was packing heat?
And finally, who cares? This is a non-story. It shows Fox's hypocrisy more than it show s Moores, and also shows their desperation to bash him.

Well, it's been picked up by someone else.

And apparently, it's not Moore's personal bodyguard, rather a person who's been assigned to protect him. Is it a game of semantics? Probably.

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Michael Moore bodyguard arrested in gun probe
20/01/2005 - 20:54:43
A bodyguard who has protected outspoken film maker and gun-control advocate Michael Moore was arrested at Kennedy International Airport for allegedly carrying a pistol without a New York licence, authorities said tonight.

A bodyguard who has protected outspoken film maker and gun-control advocate Michael Moore was arrested at Kennedy International Airport for allegedly carrying a pistol without a New York licence, authorities said tonight.

Patrick Burk, 34, faced a charge of criminal possession of a weapon.

He was questioned by police last night after he notified a United Airlines ticket agent that he wanted to carry his weapon ? unloaded and in a bag ? on a flight to Los Angeles, said authorities.

The bodyguard, who works for the Californian-based security firm Gavin de Becker & Associates, told police he had travelled to New York with Moore earlier this month.

He produced licences for his Mauser handgun from California and Florida, but not from New York, which prompted his arrest, authorities said.

Burk has been assigned to protect Moore at times in the past, but is not his personal bodyguard, Gavin de Becker said.

De Becker defended Burk, saying he had followed proper procedures at the airport. He called him ?a leading professional in his field?.

A call to a spokesman for Moore was not immediately returned.

Moore, the director of Fahrenheit 9/11, won the documentary Academy Award for 2002?s Bowling for Columbine, a scathing look at the gun culture in America.

In an interview last year with Playboy magazine, Moore called the National Rifle Association a ?radical, freaky group?.

?Most Americans are with me on this,? he said about stricter gun controls. ?They understand duck hunters don?t need Uzis and cop-killer bullets.?

Still, I don't see how it's newsworthy, aside from bashing him for what someone else has done.

I don't see how the Bushisms are newsworthy, aside from bashing him for his speaking abilities, or lack thereof.

I guess turnabout is not fair play, thanks for explaining that.
 
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: Amused
So we have killed ALL the myths now.

Dead myth #1: MM owns guns

MM admits to owning at least one gun and "grew up with guns".

Dead myth #2: MM is not anti-gun

MM is a member of the NRA

Dead myth #3: MM did not know his bodyguards were armed.

Who cares? It's his right to hire a bodyguard, especially considering his polarizing and very public viewpoints. Do you think MM has a problem with the SS or Policemen carrying guns? Of course not. These points are clearly not as black and white as you seem to suggest

Either way, you are missing the point that MM has been trying to make. Others have already pointed it out but you have refused to listen. MM is not against guns but against the "gun culture" and fear-mongering perpetrated upon society by the NRA, media outlets and politicians. There are lots of guns in Canada but few firearms related homicides in comparison to the US. Why the difference? These are the types of issues MM is seeking to explain. Your repeated dumbing down of MM's true intentions only exposes your own ignorance to a topic which you are obviously not fully qualified enough to speak on.


How does him being in the NRA prevent him from being Anti-Gun? I wonder when he last paid his dues? I own several guns, and will be adding more as time and money permits, but I am
NOT a member of the NRA. I don't have a problem with the, it is just that joining them is not on my too do list. So, does that mean that I'm anti-gun then? Since you presupposed that being the NRA prevents you from being anti-gun. Stupidly terrible logic, but quite expected.

Who cares? It's his right to hire a bodyguard, especially considering his polarizing and very public viewpoints. Do you think MM has a problem with the SS or Policemen carrying guns? Of course not. These points are clearly not as black and white as you seem to suggest

What is your argument here? The average citizen cannot afford a full-time 24/7 bodyguard, but does have the right under the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms. The argument that he is entitled to protection because of his popularity is freaking absurd. There are many more people out there that face a higher risk of death(store clerk in a quickie-mart, late night manager, etc) than Moore, yet they cannot afford a 24/7 bodyguard. So, what you are stating is simple elitism predicated on the fact that you wish to fellate Michael Moore. Nothing less, and nothing more.
 
Originally posted by: Mill
The argument that he is entitled to protection because of his popularity is freaking absurd. There are many more people out there that face a higher risk of death(store clerk in a quickie-mart, late night manager, etc) than Moore, yet they cannot afford a 24/7 bodyguard. So, what you are stating is simple elitism predicated on the fact that you wish to fellate Michael Moore. Nothing less, and nothing more.

The sheer amount of hatred that boils under the skin of millions of conservatives when they think of this man is reason enough to have some level of security, to prevent zealous right wingers from attacking him, throwing stuff at him, etc...
Just because I despise Rush Limbaugh doesn't mean I don't think he shouldn't have the right to hire some security that most people absolutley don't need.
 
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Kev


I really don't care, I'm not against gun ownership, I was just saying that Moore wasn't a hypocrite for having a bodyguard with a gun because of the movie Bowling for Columbine.

Then you are the most blind myopic fool to ever post on this forum. What the fvck do you mean he isn't a hypocrite? This incident is the goddamn pinnacle of fscking hypocrisy. Anyway... carry on with your mutual Moore masturbation with the rest of the fanboys.

What incident? Was Micheal Moore involved in an airport incident where a man was arrested? NO
Get over it and simply say you hate moore and are a conservative rather than trying to make silly claims, swear, and look cool by using the word masturbate in a political thread.

I wouldn't consider myself a Conservative you presumptuous asshat. I'm more of a Libertarian and someone who uses logic. What incident? The incident in which an armed guard, hired by Michael Moore(and yes, if you read the thread you will see he knew that he was hiring an armed guard) broke gun laws to protect one of the biggest anti-gun fools to ever walk the earth. If you don't see the hypocrisy in what occurred, then I suggest glasses or contact lenses for you.

So, swearing and using the word masturbation undermines my argument? I'll have you knighted by the goddamn Queen of England if you can explain LOGICALLY why it would undermine it based simply on the merit of its intent and logic. Regardless, you need to stop crying if you get offended by such speech -- I'm thinking you are one of those censorship trolls that ends up in every government thread.
 
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: Brackis
All you morons get consumed by hatred for Michael Moore without looking at this situation thru a pragmatic lense. A bodyguard is not employed by a single celebrity or person of importance to be with them 24/7. If Moore hires a bodyguard/security firm to help him when making public appearances, this does not stop the man from working in other facets of the bodyguard industry where he is licensed to carry a gun.
The simple fact that it is nearly impossible to find a security guard that doesn't carry a gun these days fits exactly in line with Moore's message in the movie Bowling for Columbine because it demonstrates the demand of the wealthy and the famous for guns as a safety mechanism.

Follow? Please be more openminded and practical when addressing things such as politics, as passion readily provokes black/white ignorance.

Thanx,
Brackis

Your argument for MM sucks, at best he's an elitist. At worse, he's a hypocrit+elitist. Follow?


I never made any claim that would indicate that Michael Moore is not part of a class which is above the average American. Your arguement is the one that sucks because you are looking at this as something where a man who has been built up by American society cannot possibly have any prophetic words.
Look at it from a philisophical standpoint rather than a National Enquirer one and you will understand.

I'll agree he's in a different, higher class than myself. I'm OK with that. What I'm not OK with is the notion he "deserves" protection because of that difference. "Wealthy and famous" do not need guns anymore than "poor and unknown." Rights should not be based on class, elitism is not a morally justifiable position.

Perhaps if you explained what your talking about with your philisophical/national enquirer statement I could respond.

What I mean is that Moore produced a movie to make a statement that resounds in more than just his own personal life, but with all people who grow up in the United States. By now needing the assistance of others to go out in public and navigate crowds his message remains valid even as his circumstances change.

But he doesn't have to follow his own rules. No one is saying they don't understand the *point* of his whining and crying in BFC, but rather he is a hypocrite because of what happened in the article. The problem is the old: Do what I say, but not what I do. Fvcking BS! Your earlier statements are some of the more incredible spin I've ever seen. You are saying that he couldn't even go find an unarmed bodyguard, so that proves how prevalent guns are. Faaaaallllllllllaaaaccccyyyyy!
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Kev


I really don't care, I'm not against gun ownership, I was just saying that Moore wasn't a hypocrite for having a bodyguard with a gun because of the movie Bowling for Columbine.

Then you are the most blind myopic fool to ever post on this forum. What the fvck do you mean he isn't a hypocrite? This incident is the goddamn pinnacle of fscking hypocrisy. Anyway... carry on with your mutual Moore masturbation with the rest of the fanboys.

What incident? Was Micheal Moore involved in an airport incident where a man was arrested? NO
Get over it and simply say you hate moore and are a conservative rather than trying to make silly claims, swear, and look cool by using the word masturbate in a political thread.

I wouldn't consider myself a Conservative you presumptuous asshat. I'm more of a Libertarian and someone who uses logic. What incident? The incident in which an armed guard, hired by Michael Moore(and yes, if you read the thread you will see he knew that he was hiring an armed guard) broke gun laws to protect one of the biggest anti-gun fools to ever walk the earth. If you don't see the hypocrisy in what occurred, then I suggest glasses or contact lenses for you.

So, swearing and using the word masturbation undermines my argument? I'll have you knighted by the goddamn Queen of England if you can explain LOGICALLY why.
Are you accusing me of lacking reading comprehension!? THERE WAS NO INCIDENT WHERE MICHAEL MOORE WAS PRESENT, OR WHERE HE HAD INFLUENCE, PERIOD. A guy who had worked for Moore was, at a later date, stupid enough to carry a gun in a state where he should not have.
As for masturbation hurting your argument, it makes you seem like a child who is grouping together all people left of center as "fanboys", thus making you also appear to be a conservative which I have branded you as such. One can be a libertarian and conservative, you of all people being a libertarian should know this.

 
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Mill
The argument that he is entitled to protection because of his popularity is freaking absurd. There are many more people out there that face a higher risk of death(store clerk in a quickie-mart, late night manager, etc) than Moore, yet they cannot afford a 24/7 bodyguard. So, what you are stating is simple elitism predicated on the fact that you wish to fellate Michael Moore. Nothing less, and nothing more.

The sheer amount of hatred that boils under the skin of millions of conservatives when they think of this man is reason enough to have some level of security, to prevent zealous right wingers from attacking him, throwing stuff at him, etc...
Just because I despise Rush Limbaugh doesn't mean I don't think he shouldn't have the right to hire some security that most people absolutley don't need.

Who determines the level of security that people need? You?
 
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Kev


I really don't care, I'm not against gun ownership, I was just saying that Moore wasn't a hypocrite for having a bodyguard with a gun because of the movie Bowling for Columbine.

Then you are the most blind myopic fool to ever post on this forum. What the fvck do you mean he isn't a hypocrite? This incident is the goddamn pinnacle of fscking hypocrisy. Anyway... carry on with your mutual Moore masturbation with the rest of the fanboys.

What incident? Was Micheal Moore involved in an airport incident where a man was arrested? NO
Get over it and simply say you hate moore and are a conservative rather than trying to make silly claims, swear, and look cool by using the word masturbate in a political thread.

I wouldn't consider myself a Conservative you presumptuous asshat. I'm more of a Libertarian and someone who uses logic. What incident? The incident in which an armed guard, hired by Michael Moore(and yes, if you read the thread you will see he knew that he was hiring an armed guard) broke gun laws to protect one of the biggest anti-gun fools to ever walk the earth. If you don't see the hypocrisy in what occurred, then I suggest glasses or contact lenses for you.

So, swearing and using the word masturbation undermines my argument? I'll have you knighted by the goddamn Queen of England if you can explain LOGICALLY why.
Are you accusing me of lacking reading comprehension!? THERE WAS NO INCIDENT WHERE MICHAEL MOORE WAS PRESENT, OR WHERE HE HAD INFLUENCE, PERIOD. A guy who had worked for Moore was, at a later date, stupid enough to carry a gun in a state where he should not have.
As for masturbation hurting your argument, it makes you seem like a child who is grouping together all people left of center as "fanboys", thus making you also appear to be a conservative which I have branded you as such. One can be a libertarian and conservative, you of all people being a libertarian should know this.

He was in his employ you freaking idiot. Are you saying he had no influence over the guy and/or what he does? Ok, that is just sickening logic. He has a LOT of influence on him, and perhaps Moore should FIRE his company if he wants to truly take a stand. Will he do that? Perhaps, he will do it to pander for some DNC votes, but doubteful that Moore will even acknowledge this, or will say it was a secret hidden conspiracy against them. Let me break it down for you:

Moore says(implictly) that he has armed guards now in his employ. An armed guard in his employ is caught at an airport, and you are saying Moore had no influence on that? He hired armed guards you dolt!

 
Originally posted by: jagec
*sigh*
MICHAEL MOORE IS FAT
GEORGE W. BUSH IS STUPID
HONDAS ARE SLOW
PEOPLE ARE STUPID
SYRINGER IS SPIDER
OMGWTFBBQ

OK, we can close the forums down now, it's all been said.


Fixed!
 
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Phoenix86


Perhaps if you explained what your talking about with your philisophical/national enquirer statement I could respond.

What I mean is that Moore produced a movie to make a statement that resounds in more than just his own personal life, but with all people who grow up in the United States. By now needing the assistance of others to go out in public and navigate crowds his message remains valid even as his circumstances change.

But he doesn't have to follow his own rules. No one is saying they don't understand the *point* of his whining and crying in BFC, but rather he is a hypocrite because of what happened in the article. The problem is the old: Do what I say, but not what I do. Fvcking BS! Your earlier statements are some of the more incredible spin I've ever seen. You are saying that he couldn't even go find an unarmed bodyguard, so that proves how prevalent guns are. Faaaaallllllllllaaaaccccyyyyy!
I never said he couldn't find a security firm which didn't use guns, I said that by having a plethora of private armed forces out there who are hired by people who have no reason for such protection, it shows thatb he is correct in saying that Americans are fearful when they shouldn't be.
His "rules" are not rules but him showing via film that average americans don't need to sleep with guns under their pillows.
Your retorts are no more than rash statements consisting of swears and misquoted reasoning.

 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Fox News, nuff said.

Fox News, fair and balanced, nuff said.

Fox News, # 1 cable news channel in America by far, nuff said.

Even if you didn't believe that, the fact is they're not the only one reporting it anymore, but they were first.

I guess the Associated Press is biased too, eh SuperTool?
 
Brackis, I'll spell this out for you simple like.

MM does *not* have to be there when he got arrested to be a hypocrit, he only has to hire the guy knowing he's armed.

Are you saying a guy who hires a murder is not guilty of murder becuase he wasn't there when it happened?
 
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Phoenix86


Perhaps if you explained what your talking about with your philisophical/national enquirer statement I could respond.

What I mean is that Moore produced a movie to make a statement that resounds in more than just his own personal life, but with all people who grow up in the United States. By now needing the assistance of others to go out in public and navigate crowds his message remains valid even as his circumstances change.

But he doesn't have to follow his own rules. No one is saying they don't understand the *point* of his whining and crying in BFC, but rather he is a hypocrite because of what happened in the article. The problem is the old: Do what I say, but not what I do. Fvcking BS! Your earlier statements are some of the more incredible spin I've ever seen. You are saying that he couldn't even go find an unarmed bodyguard, so that proves how prevalent guns are. Faaaaallllllllllaaaaccccyyyyy!
I never said he couldn't find a security firm which didn't use guns, I said that by having a plethora of private armed forces out there who are hired by people who have no reason for such protection, it shows thatb he is correct in saying that Americans are fearful when they shouldn't be.
His "rules" are not rules but him showing via film that average americans don't need to sleep with guns under their pillows.
Your retorts are no more than rash statements consisting of swears and misquoted reasoning.

If america is gun crazed, he's part of the problem for hiring a gun-toting guard. Do as I say, not as I do...
 
Originally posted by: Mill

He was in his employ you freaking idiot. Are you saying he had no influence over the guy and/or what he does? Ok, that is just sickening logic. He has a LOT of influence on him, and perhaps Moore should FIRE his company if he wants to truly take a stand. Will he do that? Perhaps, he will do it to pander for some DNC votes, but doubteful that Moore will even acknowledge this, or will say it was a secret hidden conspiracy against them. Let me break it down for you:

Moore says(implictly) that he has armed guards now in his employ. An armed guard in his employ is caught at an airport, and you are saying Moore had no influence on that? He hired armed guards you dolt!

again, there you go with the angry personal attacks.
Would you like me to lay out the employment of a security gaurd for you?
1. Hired by a firm
2. Work for a firm
3. Do a service for an individual who has hired the FIRM
4. Do a service for another individual who has hired the firm

He is not a personal protector of Moore, and so him being in New York with a gun has nothing to do with Michael Moore, he was either their for vacation or to protect someone else because the firm told him to do so.

This is like saying I am responsible for the guy who cuts my lawn when he gets sued for driving his John Deere over someone when cutting a yard on the other side of town. Please, I thought you used logic?
 
Originally posted by: Phoenix86

If america is gun crazed, he's part of the problem for hiring a gun-toting guard. Do as I say, not as I do...

Again you simply don't understand. It isn't that America is gun crazed, it is that they are fearful of nothing. Moore is not an average american citizen and has a need for security as shown by statements from people in this thread saying he should be thrown in jail. If he is hated by random people across the country, he has a right to be fearful, but the average american has no need to be fearful of such things.

I am not advocating for all of Moore's statements, actions, or otherwise, but trying to take what small morsels of intelligence that he does lend to society in his idealogy and scarpe them from the fray of ignorance.
 
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Phoenix86

If america is gun crazed, he's part of the problem for hiring a gun-toting guard. Do as I say, not as I do...

Again you simply don't understand. It isn't that America is gun crazed, it is that they are fearful of nothing. Moore is not an average american citizen and has a need for security as shown by statements from people in this thread saying he should be thrown in jail. If he is hated by random people across the country, he has a right to be fearful, but the average american has no need to be fearful of such things.

I am not advocating for all of Moore's statements, actions, or otherwise, but trying to take what small morsels of intelligence that he does lend to society in his idealogy and scarpe them from the fray of ignorance.

Moore is no more special than I am. If he wants to carry a weapon, fine.
 
Originally posted by: Brackis
Originally posted by: Phoenix86

If america is gun crazed, he's part of the problem for hiring a gun-toting guard. Do as I say, not as I do...

Again you simply don't understand. It isn't that America is gun crazed, it is that they are fearful of nothing. Moore is not an average american citizen and has a need for security as shown by statements from people in this thread saying he should be thrown in jail. If he is hated by random people across the country, he has a right to be fearful, but the average american has no need to be fearful of such things.

I am not advocating for all of Moore's statements, actions, or otherwise, but trying to take what small morsels of intelligence that he does lend to society in his idealogy and scarpe them from the fray of ignorance.

Oh, Moore is *special* because he's polarizing and deserves right he'd deny me. OK, I see, it's plain now. Thanks.
 
if i did an entire documentary about how americans kill each other like crazy (so i ought to know the dangers better than most), AND i was a hugely controversial public figure HATED by the same people who own guns, AND i was easily recognizable from 10 miles off thanks to my lard ass...

you better bet my bodyguard would pack heat. no hypocrisy involved here, just pure common sense. the only surprise here is that he doesn't wear a vest anytime he goes outdoors.

use your brains, people.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
if i did an entire documentary about how americans kill each other like crazy (so i ought to know the dangers better than most), AND i was a hugely controversial public figure HATED by the same people who own guns, AND i was easily recognizable from 10 miles off thanks to my lard ass...

you better bet my bodyguard would pack heat. no hypocrisy involved here, just pure common sense. the only surprise here is that he doesn't wear a vest anytime he goes outdoors.

use your brains, people.

Excuse me, but..

1) He's anti-gun
2) He has a bodyguard protecting him who's packing
3) ...
4) HYPOCRISY!!

He should practice what he preaches, otherwise, he should shove a Twinkie in his mouth and shut the fu[/b]ck up.
 
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