Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: kogase
Originally posted by: exdeath
Originally posted by: kogase
I have nothing to say about Michael Moore. But about self defense... swords. Let people put some effort into defending themselves. And they can't gun down a fleeing robber with a sword. I'm opposed to guns because real men use swords, but as for as guns go, people should be required to go through an extensive training and conditioning course if they want to have and use a gun. If "protecting their loved ones" is that important to them, they damn well better be prepared to learn how to use and respect a gun.
I suppose you should be required to prove you are capable of speaking in public and take political classes allowing you a federal permit before you can speak in public.
It is also up to you to register your home and your belongings and prove to the government that you need to be protected from search and seizure by letting them inspect your property for illegal activity whenever they want.
The Constitution is all or nothing; it is not there for you personally to select what you want and ignore whatever is convenient for you.
That said, there are idiots that shouldn't have guns, I completely agree with that. Those people need to be shot by those who are responsible citizens, or held accountable by the laws we already have. Just leave my guns alone. I for one will not be bringing a sword to an uninvited gun fight.
Now about that jet funnel and 16 rd mags for my USP40 ...
And besides, requiring people to take a course before they can own a gun doesn't contradict the Constitution, so long as people are able, in some way, shape or form, to bear arms. Not only that, but a sword is an armament. If you want to take the constitution literaly, it wouldn't be unconstitutional to make guns illegal so long as swords weren't.
That statement is wrong (factually and logically) on so many levels, it isn?t even funny.
So maybe it's wrong. If that's the case, as you see it, please explain how that is so.
1. We did not fight the Revolutionary War with swords. The term "arms" in the 2nd Amendment refers to small arms such as rifles and pistols. There is no debate about this point.
2. The founders never meant for people to give up their right to weapons:
"Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion... in private self-defense..."
-- John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788)
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
-- George Washington
"The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation. . . (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
--James Madison; The Federalist, No. 46
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The said Constitution [shall] be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."
--Samuel Adams; Massachusetts' U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
--- Thomas Jefferson's "Commonplace Book," 1774
3. The twisted logic you use to justify the removal or severe restriction of these things which we have a clear constitutional right to possess is disturbing. Would you be so quick to infringe on other constitutionally protected rights to such an extreme? I think not.
4. Concealed carry laws have not caused the rash of shootings and deaths that the anti-gun lobby always screams will come to pass.