Doughboy, Michael Moore's bodyguard gets caught packing heat

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CPA

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Originally posted by: Kev
I am by no means a MM fan or supporter, but that doesn't mean I think he's a hypocrite for having armed protection.

He is opposed to concealed carry and handgun ownership by individuals

I would think a professional bodyguard owning a gun is a little different than some one buying it to protect their home.

So if I hire a body guard to protect my house that is okay, but if I want to buy a gun for myself to protect my home that's not okay. Sorry, that is idiotic.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Hardcore
WTF? Hypocrisy? It was his bodyguard, not him.

Sometimes extreme hatred override rationality

Hardly. According to the liberal anti-gunners example, only the rich and famous deserve armed protection. The poor are fscked.

When an anti-gun advocate hires armed protection, it is the height of hypocrisy. They should have the courage of their convictions and resolve themselves to being as defenseless as those they would impose their will upon.
Yes and no. In Bowling for Columbine he makes a very good point that we are a gun crazed culture and that the average person has no need for a gun. The difference is that Michael Moore has the whole of the crazed right-wing gun brandishing redneck nutjobs out for his blood and the chance of an attack is much greater for him than the average person in our society.

That is not a good point, that is his idiotic opinion. And also, I guess that means fata$$ doesn't believe he is an average person. I guess because he makes left-wing propaganda and gets his ugly mug on camera every so often, he's above the rest of us.
How often does someone with a CCW actually have the need to brandish their weapon? I'm going to say probably not very often. I understand the "what-if" argument, but all I'm saying is that the average person in the US could go their entire life without ever needing to use a gun for their protection.

I truly think that a lot of people are fundementally frightened and confused and the ownership of a gun serves as a saftely blanket.

Also, are you trying to say that Michael Moore is not an average person? Last time I checked it wasn't average to be a household name and the center point of right-wing extremist hate mongering.
 

Darthvoy

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I don't understand the right's obsession with MM. He is only one person, and just because he criticized the bush administration he is the most hated person by the conservatives. I could think of a few who would fit in MM's category for the right, but the level of hatred stemming from the conservatives is far greater. If he farts it gets reported on the news.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: tweakmm

How often does someone with a CCW actually have the need to brandish their weapon? I'm going to say probably not very often. I understand the "what-if" argument, but all I'm saying is that the average person in the US could go their entire life without ever needing to use a gun for their protection.

I truly think that a lot of people are fundementally frightened and confused and the ownership of a gun serves as a saftely blanket.

Also, are you trying to say that Michael Moore is not an average person? Last time I checked it wasn't average to be a household name and be the center point of right-wing extremist hate mongering.

The possibility that a person might not ever have need of a CCW is not reasonable justification to not allow people the choice.

The gun owners I know are not "frightened and confused". Most merely desire to protect their life and family, when threatened with the potential loss of it, with the utmost force. Firearms are just the most effective tool to do so with.
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: Darthvoy
I don't understand the right's obsession with MM. He is only one person, and just because he criticized the bush administration he is the most hated person by the conservatives. I could think of a few who would fit in MM's category for the right, but the level of hatred stemming from the conservatives is far greater. If he farts it gets reported on the news.

Yes, please do show me a conservative that makes "documentaries" abut the left full of fiction and misinformation...

Liberals hate him too. gotta go, see you in P&N!
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: tweakmm

How often does someone with a CCW actually have the need to brandish their weapon? I'm going to say probably not very often. I understand the "what-if" argument, but all I'm saying is that the average person in the US could go their entire life without ever needing to use a gun for their protection.

I truly think that a lot of people are fundementally frightened and confused and the ownership of a gun serves as a saftely blanket.

Also, are you trying to say that Michael Moore is not an average person? Last time I checked it wasn't average to be a household name and be the center point of right-wing extremist hate mongering.

The possibility that a person might not ever have need of a CCW is not reasonable justification to not allow people the choice.
When did I ever say that? My defense of Michael Moore is not indicitive of my opinions on his opinions. All I said, and I even said "all I'm saying" is that the average person has absolutely no need for a gun. That's it. I'm not trying to say that we should abolish the second amendment to the constitution, I'm not saying we shouldn't have CCW permits, I'm not saying that all gun owners should be rounded up and shot with their own weapons, I'm simply saying that the need for a gun seems greatly exagerated by many.

The gun owners I know are not "frightened and confused".
Fundamentally. I'm talking about the human condition.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: tweakmm

How often does someone with a CCW actually have the need to brandish their weapon? I'm going to say probably not very often. I understand the "what-if" argument, but all I'm saying is that the average person in the US could go their entire life without ever needing to use a gun for their protection.

I truly think that a lot of people are fundementally frightened and confused and the ownership of a gun serves as a saftely blanket.

Also, are you trying to say that Michael Moore is not an average person? Last time I checked it wasn't average to be a household name and be the center point of right-wing extremist hate mongering.

The possibility that a person might not ever have need of a CCW is not reasonable justification to not allow people the choice.
When did I ever say that? My defense of Michael Moore is not indicitive of my opinions on his opinions. All I said, and I even said "all I'm saying" is that the average person has absolutely no need for a gun. That's it. I'm not trying to say that we should abolish the second amendment to the constitution, I'm not saying we shouldn't have CCW permits, I'm not saying that all gun owners should be rounded up and shot with their own weapons, I'm simply saying that the need for a gun seems greatly exagerated by many.

The gun owners I know are not "frightened and confused".
Fundamentally. I'm talking about the human condition.

The reason it appears that way is because of the progress the anti-gun lobby has made against what is a Constitutionally protected right. They go to extremes, so now the pro-gun lobby has to go to extremes.

Both sides now rabidly defend their positions and there is little room for compromise on something that had been a non-issue until the 1920s.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: tweakmm
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: tweakmm

How often does someone with a CCW actually have the need to brandish their weapon? I'm going to say probably not very often. I understand the "what-if" argument, but all I'm saying is that the average person in the US could go their entire life without ever needing to use a gun for their protection.

I truly think that a lot of people are fundementally frightened and confused and the ownership of a gun serves as a saftely blanket.

Also, are you trying to say that Michael Moore is not an average person? Last time I checked it wasn't average to be a household name and be the center point of right-wing extremist hate mongering.

The possibility that a person might not ever have need of a CCW is not reasonable justification to not allow people the choice.
When did I ever say that? My defense of Michael Moore is not indicitive of my opinions on his opinions. All I said, and I even said "all I'm saying" is that the average person has absolutely no need for a gun. That's it. I'm not trying to say that we should abolish the second amendment to the constitution, I'm not saying we shouldn't have CCW permits, I'm not saying that all gun owners should be rounded up and shot with their own weapons, I'm simply saying that the need for a gun seems greatly exagerated by many.

The gun owners I know are not "frightened and confused".
Fundamentally. I'm talking about the human condition.

The reason it appears that way is because of the progress the anti-gun lobby has made against what is a Constitutionally protected right. They go to extremes, so now the pro-gun lobby has to go to extremes.
Thank you for the bold, although I'm still not quite sure if that makes sense. I'm saying that a lot of people greatly exagerate in their own mind the necesity to own a gun.
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
How often does someone with a CCW actually have the need to brandish their weapon? I'm going to say probably not very often. I understand the "what-if" argument, but all I'm saying is that the average person in the US could go their entire life without ever needing to use a gun for their protection.

I truly think that a lot of people are fundementally frightened and confused and the ownership of a gun serves as a saftely blanket.

Also, are you trying to say that Michael Moore is not an average person? Last time I checked it wasn't average to be a household name and the center point of right-wing extremist hate mongering.

Most people only file for life insurance once, do they need it? Oh, and personal safety is only *one* of the reasons for guns. There are serveral others, but that's a whole 'nuther topic I don't think we want to get into in this thread...
 

Jfrag Teh Foul

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Originally posted by: Kev
And how often is a celebrity able to hire a bodyguard that doesn't have a license to carry? Maybe Moore should hire Ninjas instead?

BAH! Pirates all the way, man!

ARR!
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Fox News, nuff said.
Are you saying he DIDN'T illegally possess a gun?

I am saying noone else is reporting this non-story.
I thought republicans were for personal responsibility, yet they want to keep Moore responsible for what a guy claiming to be his bodyguard is doing on his free time.
 

tweakmm

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: tweakmm
How often does someone with a CCW actually have the need to brandish their weapon? I'm going to say probably not very often. I understand the "what-if" argument, but all I'm saying is that the average person in the US could go their entire life without ever needing to use a gun for their protection.

I truly think that a lot of people are fundementally frightened and confused and the ownership of a gun serves as a saftely blanket.

Also, are you trying to say that Michael Moore is not an average person? Last time I checked it wasn't average to be a household name and the center point of right-wing extremist hate mongering.

Most people only file for life insurance once, do they need it?
Um, last time I checked everyone dies.

Oh, and personal safety is only *one* of the reasons for guns. There are serveral others, but that's a whole 'nuther topic I don't think we want to get into in this thread...
I understand and was only focusing on the personal protection aspect because that's where I think the crux of the controversy lies.
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage
Coincidence the article is from foxnews?

The source does not change the facts.

Facts:
MM is anti-gun
Guard was employeed by MM.
Guard has CCW, personal gun (for use in his employment, guarding people) *and* violated laws for it's use.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Kev
I am by no means a MM fan or supporter, but that doesn't mean I think he's a hypocrite for having armed protection.

He is opposed to concealed carry and handgun ownership by individuals

I would think a professional bodyguard owning a gun is a little different than some one buying it to protect their home.

So if I hire a body guard to protect my house that is okay, but if I want to buy a gun for myself to protect my home that's not okay. Sorry, that is idiotic.

Welcome to Liberal Thinking 101
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
Um, last time I checked everyone dies.

Oh, and personal safety is only *one* of the reasons for guns. There are serveral others, but that's a whole 'nuther topic I don't think we want to get into in this thread...
I understand and was only focusing on the personal protection aspect because that's where I think the crux of the controversy lies.

Everyone (almost) encounters crime... We all have locks, right? You use them, right?

MM justified their use when he hired the armed guard. He has good reason to, he's a polarizing figure (and it's his right to be that). He's just realzing what many-many others do, in the right hands, guns protect people.
 

Nitemare

Lifer
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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: Howard
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Fox News, nuff said.
Are you saying he DIDN'T illegally possess a gun?

I am saying noone else is reporting this non-story.
I thought republicans were for personal responsibility, yet they want to keep Moore responsible for what a guy claiming to be his bodyguard is doing on his free time.

SF, pretty much all the other media other than Foxnews has a liberal bias and usually only print disparaging news when it surrounds Bush or one of his supporters.
 

mwtgg

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This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why else would he hire a bodyguard -- to be a gofer for his late night urges to eat McDonalds food? Please, Mike knew full well that his bodyguard was carrying, and if he didn't Mike is either stupid or naïve.

Oh oh ohhhhhhhhh...

Moore watching his back after receiving threats
By Jeannette Walls
MSNBC
Updated: 5:24 p.m. ET July 28, 2004

Michael Moore will be surrounded by more than just fans at the screening of ?Fahrenheit 9/11? in Crawford, Texas tonight.

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The gadfly filmmaker plans to show his controversial documentary Wednesday in the town where Bush vacations. Moore originally intended to attend the screening but MSNBC-TV reported Wednesday afternoon that the filmmaker would not attend.

As The Scoop reported earlier, Moore has been getting death threats, and a source says the situation has gotten worse.

In fact, fellow filmmaker Spike Lee, while promoting his own film ?She Hate Me,? has told interviewers that ?they?re out to get? Moore who ?has an armed guard 24/7.?

Moore?s rep couldn?t be reached for comment.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: mwtgg
This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why else would he hire a bodyguard -- to be a gofer for his late night urges to eat McDonalds food? Please, Mike knew full well that his bodyguard was carrying, and if he didn't Mike is either stupid or naïve.

Oh oh ohhhhhhhhh...

Moore watching his back after receiving threats
By Jeannette Walls
MSNBC
Updated: 5:24 p.m. ET July 28, 2004

Michael Moore will be surrounded by more than just fans at the screening of ?Fahrenheit 9/11? in Crawford, Texas tonight.

advertisement
The gadfly filmmaker plans to show his controversial documentary Wednesday in the town where Bush vacations. Moore originally intended to attend the screening but MSNBC-TV reported Wednesday afternoon that the filmmaker would not attend.

As The Scoop reported earlier, Moore has been getting death threats, and a source says the situation has gotten worse.

In fact, fellow filmmaker Spike Lee, while promoting his own film ?She Hate Me,? has told interviewers that ?they?re out to get? Moore who ?has an armed guard 24/7.?

Moore?s rep couldn?t be reached for comment.

So we have killed ALL the myths now.

Dead myth #1: MM owns guns
Dead myth #2: MM is not anti-gun
Dead myth #3: MM did not know his bodyguards were armed.

There can no longer be any doubt about his hypocrisy: Only the rich elite are entitled to armed private protection. The poor are fscked.
 

mwtgg

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: mwtgg
This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why else would he hire a bodyguard -- to be a gofer for his late night urges to eat McDonalds food? Please, Mike knew full well that his bodyguard was carrying, and if he didn't Mike is either stupid or naïve.

Oh oh ohhhhhhhhh...

Moore watching his back after receiving threats
By Jeannette Walls
MSNBC
Updated: 5:24 p.m. ET July 28, 2004

Michael Moore will be surrounded by more than just fans at the screening of ?Fahrenheit 9/11? in Crawford, Texas tonight.

advertisement
The gadfly filmmaker plans to show his controversial documentary Wednesday in the town where Bush vacations. Moore originally intended to attend the screening but MSNBC-TV reported Wednesday afternoon that the filmmaker would not attend.

As The Scoop reported earlier, Moore has been getting death threats, and a source says the situation has gotten worse.

In fact, fellow filmmaker Spike Lee, while promoting his own film ?She Hate Me,? has told interviewers that ?they?re out to get? Moore who ?has an armed guard 24/7.?

Moore?s rep couldn?t be reached for comment.

So we have killed ALL the myths now.

Dead myth #1: MM owns guns
Dead myth #2: MM is not anti-gun
Dead myth #3: MM did not know his bodyguards were armed.

There can no longer be any doubt about his hypocrisy: Only the rich elite are entitled to armed private protection. The poor are fscked.

*cough Rosie O'Donnell cough*