Maybe not complain but
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
Maybe not complain but
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
"Is it here yet?!"
Come on. This system may cost around $800 but it comes with a free 17" flat panel monitor. It has an AGP slot, and although you have to buy a sound card (maybe $50) it isn't a bad deal if you want the monitor. They aren't really marketing to people who would rather build their own system, but to people who want a decent package that works well.
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&kc=6V469&l=en&oc=D46C1&s=dhs#bottom_anchor
BTW, it goes down to $789 after the surge protector is removed. That isn't too bad for getting a 17" flat panel (I know it's not a good panel but it isn't bad), a decent system and a legal OS. You can ebay the card that comes with it to get maybe $40 towards your real card.
Yeah but if you equipped it with a $150 video card it will be acceptable. A PIII or Athlon 1 Ghz isn't all that shabby.
I feel like this guy does not belong in this internet community. He's completely unwilling to listen to people after he made errors and has shown that he obviously doesnt know what he's talking about when he says stability or anything else...I wish him luck when he has that 150watt power supply and wants to upgrade the vid card 2 years later and the thing dies.
Maybe I"m reading wrong but that $828 price is for the base system with a "budget" (5400rpm) hard drive, only 256MB of ram, intel integrated graphics. The URL for that configurator says "bottom anchor" in it. It might just as well say "boat anchor."
I took the time to make sure.
I wasn't reading it wrong. The base config is
$828
$50 double ram
$30 decent hard drive
we'll let the lame cd rom pass even though we wouldn't on a custom system
Umm...the only option we have for a graphics card is either intel extreme or a GeForce 4mx.
Obviously these are completely retarted options so let's add $135 for a 9600Pro.
The sound is absolutely garbage so $50 for a soundcard.
That's...let's see...
$1100 minus 7
For a system with proprietary motherboard, case, and power supply which can't provide more than 150 on the combined 3.3,5v rail.
What a steal
As demonstrated time and time again, you could custom a system far superior for around $600. Take a look at anandtech's guides.
"Overall, you're getting pretty much one of the best bang-for-the-buck systems on the market. You're getting a superb blend of performance, speed, and reliability, all in a very simple and easy-to-use package. Go build your system "
I wasn't reading it wrong. The base config is
$828
$50 double ram
$30 decent hard drive
we'll let the lame cd rom pass even though we wouldn't on a custom system
Umm...the only option we have for a graphics card is either intel extreme or a GeForce 4mx.
Obviously these are completely retarted options so let's add $135 for a 9600Pro.
The sound is absolutely garbage so $50 for a soundcard.
That's...let's see...
$1100 minus 7
For a system with proprietary motherboard, case, and power supply which can't provide more than 150 on the combined 3.3,5v rail.
What a steal
As demonstrated time and time again, you could custom a system far superior for around $600. Take a look at anandtech's guides.
"Overall, you're getting pretty much one of the best bang-for-the-buck systems on the market. You're getting a superb blend of performance, speed, and reliability, all in a very simple and easy-to-use package. Go build your system "
"It's kind of mute" - we had a whole thread on that here recently. Anyway, all Dimension 4600s have an AGP slot, please get your facts straight.
BFG10K
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- Aug 14, 2000
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So much arguing over buidling a system for game that isn't even out yet.
Wait until it comes out and then decide what to get. I suspect that in order to get reasonable performance you're probably looking at requiring a 5900XT or a 9700NP as a minimum for the game.
Wait until it comes out and then decide what to get. I suspect that in order to get reasonable performance you're probably looking at requiring a 5900XT or a 9700NP as a minimum for the game.
Anyone who buys a 2400 with the expectation to upgrade is quite dense at best. The only reason Dell introduced the 2400 was to take some of the ultra cheap-ass market away from the likes of eMachines, HP, and Compaq. It was meant to target the people who buy their computers at Best Buy. A 4600 is a minimum from Dell, and you can find one for a really good price every once in a while.
SithSolo1
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Nick, the hitting 2.2ghz easily w/ a 2500+ isn't true anymore. My younger brother got a 2500+ from newegg about 3 weeks ago. It's a week 2 of 04 and I can't even get it stable at 2800+ speeds w/ 1.85v. The ram is PC3200 and he's got a Volcano 12. I've tried everything I know to do and it just doesn't want to go. 
Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Nick, the hitting 2.2ghz easily w/ a 2500+ isn't true anymore. My younger brother got a 2500+ from newegg about 3 weeks ago. It's a week 2 of 04 and I can't even get it stable at 2800+ speeds w/ 1.85v. The ram is PC3200 and he's got a Volcano 12. I've tried everything I know to do and it just doesn't want to go.
There are always sour chips in the mix. Overclocking is not requisite to a customer build, however.
nick1985
Lifer
- Dec 29, 2002
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Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Nick, the hitting 2.2ghz easily w/ a 2500+ isn't true anymore. My younger brother got a 2500+ from newegg about 3 weeks ago. It's a week 2 of 04 and I can't even get it stable at 2800+ speeds w/ 1.85v. The ram is PC3200 and he's got a Volcano 12. I've tried everything I know to do and it just doesn't want to go.
im 10 for 10.... i know there are a few here and there that cant, but the vast majority hit 3200 no sweat.
Here's the configuration after doubling memory:
http://ecomm.dell.com/dellstore/basket.aspx?c=us&cs=19&itemtype=CFG&l=en&s=dhs&~tab=detailViewTab
$839.00 isn't bad considering the 17" flat panel and legal OS. Add a video card for anywhere between $65-$150. The monitor sells for $300 on Ebay. Consider the warranty and 30 day price adjustment policy and it isn't that bad for someone that doesn't have the time to biuld their system.
BTW, my post wasn't to solve Ornery's problem but to point out to you that you do not need to spend $1000+ to get what you need from Dell. The system is AGP capable and you can add it in, you can also add a sound card and keep it under $1000. The $300 monitor has to account for something. I have seen deals on Dells that would bring it down something like $540 without the monitor, and these deals occur pretty often. I have seen deals that include a nice Radeon 9800 pro in a system like I linked to for around $600 before. If you wait you can do very well with Dell. I've seen Ornery on ATHD and he knows this too, that's why he wants to wait.
Thanks for re-iterrating what I already posted. Don't forget the hard drive and sound. Intel's integrated sound is truly horrible. And...$135 for the videocard. So...we're right where I said we were $1100.
That's Ornery's problem. I really do think that you could do better with AMD in this case, but you have someone that may not want the hassle of building a system right now unless he can save around $200 or more by building it. Your systems are saving the guy a $100 at most and that doesn't even cover a legal OS leave alone a warranty.
Markfw
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- May 16, 2002
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I think you missed my point. My company of 120,000 employees decided to upgrade the computers for my division. They bought about 10,000 just for this "refresh" as they call it, and these are for business use only. They are still crap! and for a gaming system, it requires much more than a business system requires. Also, I don't know that the model number is 2400, it is just a little desktop box with a 2.4 ghz processor, a laptop type CDROM drive and integrated everything, and it is unstable as hell. My point was that their supposedly stable business systems are crap IMO. I would NEVER buy a Dell (unless they could sell the whole system for less that I could buy the CPU/memory/HD)
Yeah, but when he buys the dell he's also buying a $300 LCD. That's fine if he wants one. If he doesn't really feel like spending $300 on an LCD and could live with his current monitor or a cheap CRT, he's spending too much with Dell.
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