Don't tase me bro!

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Here's the thing: Tasers are NOT being used as an alternative to shooting someone, they are being used to subdue anyone who in any way resists. Furthermore, anyone who has any medical condition dealing with electrical signals (anything involving the heart and/or nervous system) is at very high risk of dying.

If you really think that there are not a large number of bad cops (though not necessarily a large percentage), you are a very naive person.

It pains me to think that you'd rather give cops the permission to beat someone, or hell, shoot someone who's resisting or somehow not co-operating. We all know there are bad cops, but personally, I'd rather they use their tasers than their guns.

Look at the John Kerry Tazing, Cops would have never used a Gun in that situation. They wouldn't even draw their Guns in such a situation. There are numerous other video taped examples where Perps were down and pretty much subdued, except they continued to struggle, before they were Tazed. That kind of situation crosses the line from Justifiable Use to Police Brutality at worst or just plain Laziness at best.

So is the cop supposed to just stop wrestling with the perp and let him control the situation? Or should he go all Rodney King on him and beat him to hell with a baton? I think tazing him sounds like a good idea. And there's no such thing as "pretty much subdued". He's either subdued or he's still resisting.

If you're down on your stomach and your arms are being held, but you are wiggling about, you are pretty much subdued and no Tazing is necessary. Yet many times a Tazing was administered in just such a situation.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Do you have records indicating he wasn't? No. So again....we can agree to disagree.

You've confirmed my suspicions. You're a dumbass.

:thumbsup:

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Would I want to? Not really? Would I do it if I was an officer? Hell yes, that is my JOB.


Simply put, the Taser is a tool for police officers, but one that has very lethal consequences. If 150 have died from tasering, would 150 have died (officers or suspects) if the tasers were not used? The answer is no. To me, that indicates that something is wrong in the frequency of use by officers.

We can't expect the cops to do their jobs unarmed simply because it's their job. If we want it to be more than a 50/50 crapshoot we need to have well equipped officers, thus tasers etc are necessary.

Also, 150 over six years, are you kidding me?! That's only 25 people per year, 150x more people will die driving to work in the same time period!

 

[manowar821]

Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Another man dies

Amnesty International has reported that, since June 2001, more than 150 people have died in the United States after being subdued with a stun gun. The organization has called for police departments to suspend use of the devices pending study of their possible risks.

So, almost half of the nations law enforcement agencies use tasers. IMO, that's too much potential for abuse. I wonder how many of those 150 who were killed actually needed such draconian action?

I guess we will go back to the time tested billybat over the head or guns.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

LARP gone horribly, horribly wrong?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

lol. wow. I think tazing sends the right message to the public though. They should use it more frequently. People might think twice before doing something illegal. And 150 is nothing....There are for more deaths related to the toxic drugs pharmaceutical companies are plastering our shelves with and you are worried about 25 deaths per year from tazing people that likely had heart conditions to begin with. You would do well to see how other countries treat their criminals. Our system is like a luxury 5 star hotel in comparison, maybe that is why we have the most people per capita in jail. Its TOO MUCH FUN.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

lol. wow. I think tazing sends the right message to the public though. They should use it more frequently. People might think twice before doing something illegal. And 150 is nothing....There are for more deaths related to the toxic drugs pharmaceutical companies are plastering our shelves with and you are worried about 25 deaths per year from tazing people that likely had heart conditions to begin with. You would do well to see how other countries treat their criminals. Our system is like a luxury 5 star hotel in comparison, maybe that is why we have the most people per capita in jail. Its TOO MUCH FUN.

I thought you were a self-proclaimed criminal? Or maybe just a huge hypocrite?

edit: OK bottom line... We don't live on those other countries. We live in America. People are dying who should not be dying. They are getting executed before even going to trial.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

lol. wow. I think tazing sends the right message to the public though. They should use it more frequently. People might think twice before doing something illegal. And 150 is nothing....There are for more deaths related to the toxic drugs pharmaceutical companies are plastering our shelves with and you are worried about 25 deaths per year from tazing people that likely had heart conditions to begin with. You would do well to see how other countries treat their criminals. Our system is like a luxury 5 star hotel in comparison, maybe that is why we have the most people per capita in jail. Its TOO MUCH FUN.

I thought you were a self-proclaimed criminal? Or maybe just a huge hypocrite?

I said I break some laws but I will not piss and moan when I receive the consequences for such actions.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I was just in the same car as the guy that was fleeing from the bank he just robbed. i was not involved!!!! yeah ok pal.

You're fucking stupid. Seriously.

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
What about the guy who was a passenger in a speeding car that got pulled over.

Oh, my bad, robbing a bank and speeding are the same thing. Sorry, sir!

Not the same but your argument doesn't hold up...oh it was just speeding so he is not an accessory. Where do you draw the line?

I just read the rest of your posts. You're a complete fool.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I was just in the same car as the guy that was fleeing from the bank he just robbed. i was not involved!!!! yeah ok pal.

You're fucking stupid. Seriously.

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
What about the guy who was a passenger in a speeding car that got pulled over.

Oh, my bad, robbing a bank and speeding are the same thing. Sorry, sir!

Not the same but your argument doesn't hold up...oh it was just speeding so he is not an accessory. Where do you draw the line?

I just read the rest of your posts. You're a complete fool.

:thumbsup: again.

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

lol. wow. I think tazing sends the right message to the public though. They should use it more frequently. People might think twice before doing something illegal. And 150 is nothing....There are for more deaths related to the toxic drugs pharmaceutical companies are plastering our shelves with and you are worried about 25 deaths per year from tazing people that likely had heart conditions to begin with. You would do well to see how other countries treat their criminals. Our system is like a luxury 5 star hotel in comparison, maybe that is why we have the most people per capita in jail. Its TOO MUCH FUN.

I thought you were a self-proclaimed criminal? Or maybe just a huge hypocrite?

I said I break some laws but I will not piss and moan when I receive the consequences for such actions.

These people are not pissing and moaning. THEY ARE DEAD. Get it?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

lol. wow. I think tazing sends the right message to the public though. They should use it more frequently. People might think twice before doing something illegal. And 150 is nothing....There are for more deaths related to the toxic drugs pharmaceutical companies are plastering our shelves with and you are worried about 25 deaths per year from tazing people that likely had heart conditions to begin with. You would do well to see how other countries treat their criminals. Our system is like a luxury 5 star hotel in comparison, maybe that is why we have the most people per capita in jail. Its TOO MUCH FUN.

I thought you were a self-proclaimed criminal? Or maybe just a huge hypocrite?

I said I break some laws but I will not piss and moan when I receive the consequences for such actions.

These people are not pissing and moaning. THEY ARE DEAD. Get it?

Yeah? where are you going with this. You are not convincing me that the punishments are unfair because 25 ppl die per year. Imagine if you got tazed for any violation right off the bat no questions asked. You are promptly tazed and then when that wears off you are pepper sprayed. Wouldn't people really begin to think twice about doing anything illegal big or small? Why do we have some of the highest crime rates in the world? BECAUSE OUR PUNISHMENTS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE DETERRENTS!

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

lol. wow. I think tazing sends the right message to the public though. They should use it more frequently. People might think twice before doing something illegal. And 150 is nothing....There are for more deaths related to the toxic drugs pharmaceutical companies are plastering our shelves with and you are worried about 25 deaths per year from tazing people that likely had heart conditions to begin with. You would do well to see how other countries treat their criminals. Our system is like a luxury 5 star hotel in comparison, maybe that is why we have the most people per capita in jail. Its TOO MUCH FUN.

I thought you were a self-proclaimed criminal? Or maybe just a huge hypocrite?

I said I break some laws but I will not piss and moan when I receive the consequences for such actions.

These people are not pissing and moaning. THEY ARE DEAD. Get it?

Yeah? where are you going with this. You are not convincing me that the punishments are unfair because 25 ppl die per year. Imagine if you got tazed for any violation right off the bat no questions asked. You are promptly tazed and then when that wears off you are pepper sprayed. Wouldn't people really begin to think twice about doing anything illegal big or small? Why do we have some of the highest crime rates in the world? BECAUSE OUR PUNISHMENTS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE DETERRENTS!

Look buddy, I don't have any problems with cops using tazers. But you make it seem like there is nothing wrong with what happened in BrunoPuntzJones's example. It's not ok that someone is dead because a cop fucked up. Even if he was a criminal and was in the same spot, if he obeyed the officer and got shot because of it, its not ok.

I'd like to see how you try to spin it.

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I don't care. if you are not a criminal you needn't worry.

ahahahah

What about the guy who was a passenger in a speeding car that got pulled over. The officer ordered the passenger out and on the ground. Then told him to get up. The guy gets up and the officer shoots him in the chest.

The officer later says he meant to say "don't get up"

Wasn't a criminal and did exactly what he was told.

EDIT: I can't type.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

lol. wow. I think tazing sends the right message to the public though. They should use it more frequently. People might think twice before doing something illegal. And 150 is nothing....There are for more deaths related to the toxic drugs pharmaceutical companies are plastering our shelves with and you are worried about 25 deaths per year from tazing people that likely had heart conditions to begin with. You would do well to see how other countries treat their criminals. Our system is like a luxury 5 star hotel in comparison, maybe that is why we have the most people per capita in jail. Its TOO MUCH FUN.

I thought you were a self-proclaimed criminal? Or maybe just a huge hypocrite?

I said I break some laws but I will not piss and moan when I receive the consequences for such actions.

These people are not pissing and moaning. THEY ARE DEAD. Get it?

Yeah? where are you going with this. You are not convincing me that the punishments are unfair because 25 ppl die per year. Imagine if you got tazed for any violation right off the bat no questions asked. You are promptly tazed and then when that wears off you are pepper sprayed. Wouldn't people really begin to think twice about doing anything illegal big or small? Why do we have some of the highest crime rates in the world? BECAUSE OUR PUNISHMENTS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE DETERRENTS!

OK. So what you're saying is that people getting tased to death is a punishment for them, right? A consequence for them breaking the law?

If the SOP for officers was to tase, then pepper spray, then arrest, you can be damn sure I'm going to be carrying a gun at all times, since we'd be living in a fucking police state.

Why do we have high crime rates? Because we have so many fucking lawyers that you can get away with anything. Because idiots like you think it's all about deterrents and punishments, not rehabilitation.

Some of these people are dying before they are even arrested.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

lol. wow. I think tazing sends the right message to the public though. They should use it more frequently. People might think twice before doing something illegal. And 150 is nothing....There are for more deaths related to the toxic drugs pharmaceutical companies are plastering our shelves with and you are worried about 25 deaths per year from tazing people that likely had heart conditions to begin with. You would do well to see how other countries treat their criminals. Our system is like a luxury 5 star hotel in comparison, maybe that is why we have the most people per capita in jail. Its TOO MUCH FUN.

I thought you were a self-proclaimed criminal? Or maybe just a huge hypocrite?

I said I break some laws but I will not piss and moan when I receive the consequences for such actions.

These people are not pissing and moaning. THEY ARE DEAD. Get it?

Yeah? where are you going with this. You are not convincing me that the punishments are unfair because 25 ppl die per year. Imagine if you got tazed for any violation right off the bat no questions asked. You are promptly tazed and then when that wears off you are pepper sprayed. Wouldn't people really begin to think twice about doing anything illegal big or small? Why do we have some of the highest crime rates in the world? BECAUSE OUR PUNISHMENTS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE DETERRENTS!

Look buddy, I don't have any problems with cops using tazers. But you make there is nothing wrong with BrunoPuntzJones's example. You make it seem like its that someone is dead because the cop fucked up.

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I don't care. if you are not a criminal you needn't worry.

ahahahah

What about the guy who was a passenger in a speeding car that got pulled over. The officer ordered the passenger out and on the ground. Then told him to get up. The guy gets up and the officer shoots him in the chest.

The officer later says he meant to say "don't get up"

Wasn't a criminal and did exactly what he was told.

stop hiding behind the one case of innocence where the cop fvcked up. Cops fvck up and shoot people all the time.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
stop hiding behind the one case of innocence where the cop fvcked up. Cops fvck up and shoot people all the time.

Don't miss my edit

And I'm not hiding. There is nothing to hide from. You took this argument and now I'm holding you to it. You claimed its perfectly fine that the cop fucked up and that man was shot. It isn't.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Simply put, the Taser is a tool for police officers, but one that has very lethal consequences. If 150 have died from tasering, would 150 have died (officers or suspects) if the tasers were not used? The answer is no. To me, that indicates that something is wrong in the frequency of use by officers.

I disagree. Instead, I think that the voltage output of the tasers needs to be reduced to a point where they are useful, but less deadly. This is what they are looking into I believe. If they manage to tweak the standard issue taser with one which is significantly safer then would you be ok with it?

As a previous poster has mentioned, the standard methods of restraining an individual can be heavily reduced in effectiveness depending on their size and how well they can resist. Tasers, if tweaked to point of safer use, could be a more universal solution to this problem. It will make the jobs of police officers safer.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: Xavier434
Here's a thought. Cooperate with the cops and you can 100% eliminate the risk of death from being tased. Still, I approve the studies of the risks here. The original intent was to give cops a self defense/control device other than their guns and batons which are effective and do less harm.

What about the guy recently who was tased while asleep on his couch?

Obviously there is no excuse for that. My comment was under the assumption that proper protocol was followed. There is no solution to fixing the "bad cops" other than getting rid of them. You cannot reduce the safety of the good cops by reducing their power/methods in hopes of controlling the bad cops. That completely takes away the purpose of giving cops power in the first place.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
stop hiding behind the one case of innocence where the cop fvcked up. Cops fvck up and shoot people all the time.

Don't miss my edit

And I'm not hiding. There is nothing to hide from. You took this argument and now I'm holding you to it. You claimed its perfectly fine that the cop fucked up and that man was shot. It isn't.

you are expecting perfection and its not a perfect world.

 

[Unmoosical]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim


Yeah? where are you going with this. You are not convincing me that the punishments are unfair because 25 ppl die per year. Imagine if you got tazed for any violation right off the bat no questions asked. You are promptly tazed and then when that wears off you are pepper sprayed. Wouldn't people really begin to think twice about doing anything illegal big or small? Why do we have some of the highest crime rates in the world? BECAUSE OUR PUNISHMENTS ARE NOT EFFECTIVE DETERRENTS!

So what is an effective deterrent? We still hear about people being killed in other countries for committing crimes yet they still happen.

Also, you aren't convinced that punishments are unfair because people die from them? Speeding? Death to you! While that is a jump from what you're saying, it's the same logic since you're just shrugging it off.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
stop hiding behind the one case of innocence where the cop fvcked up. Cops fvck up and shoot people all the time.

Don't miss my edit

And I'm not hiding. There is nothing to hide from. You took this argument and now I'm holding you to it. You claimed its perfectly fine that the cop fucked up and that man was shot. It isn't.

you are expecting perfection and its not a perfect world.

:thumbsup: Good one! :roll:

Try again.

Hint: I'm waiting for you to admit
1) You are wrong
2) It wasn't ok

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
stop hiding behind the one case of innocence where the cop fvcked up. Cops fvck up and shoot people all the time.

Don't miss my edit

And I'm not hiding. There is nothing to hide from. You took this argument and now I'm holding you to it. You claimed its perfectly fine that the cop fucked up and that man was shot. It isn't.

you are expecting perfection and its not a perfect world.

:thumbsup: Good one! :roll:

Try again.

Hint: I'm waiting for you to admit
1) You are wrong
2) It wasn't ok

Before i choose please tell me what we are talking about> I thought it was cops tazing people.
EDIT:
The cop messed up.....cops aren't perfect. Does it suck. Yes it does. HOWEVER HAD THE INVIDUAL NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A SPEEDING CAR IT COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY AVOIDED.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
stop hiding behind the one case of innocence where the cop fvcked up. Cops fvck up and shoot people all the time.

Don't miss my edit

And I'm not hiding. There is nothing to hide from. You took this argument and now I'm holding you to it. You claimed its perfectly fine that the cop fucked up and that man was shot. It isn't.

you are expecting perfection and its not a perfect world.

:thumbsup: Good one! :roll:

Try again.

Hint: I'm waiting for you to admit
1) You are wrong
2) It wasn't ok

Before i choose please tell me what we are talking about> I thought it was cops tazing people.

This one:

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I don't care. if you are not a criminal you needn't worry.

ahahahah

What about the guy who was a passenger in a speeding car that got pulled over. The officer ordered the passenger out and on the ground. Then told him to get up. The guy gets up and the officer shoots him in the chest.

The officer later says he meant to say "don't get up"

Wasn't a criminal and did exactly what he was told.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

The cop messed up.....cops aren't perfect. Does it suck. Yes it does. HOWEVER HAD THE INVIDUAL NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A SPEEDING CAR IT COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY AVOIDED. Had the cop drawn his tazer instead of his pistol it could have also been avoided completely. If the officer tazed the perp immediately before he got out of the car then nothing would have happened.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
The cop messed up.....cops aren't perfect. Does it suck. Yes it does. HOWEVER HAD THE INVIDUAL NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A SPEEDING CAR IT COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY AVOIDED. Had the cop drawn his tazer instead of his pistol it could have also been avoided completely. If the officer tazed the perp immediately before he got out of the car then nothing would have happened.

And how many people in this WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY do you think have never been in a speeding car? Two? Maybe even three?

Tasing people for sitting shotty when someone else is speeding FTW ?