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zinfamous

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I was just in the same car as the guy that was fleeing from the bank he just robbed. i was not involved!!!! yeah ok pal.

You're fucking stupid. Seriously.

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
What about the guy who was a passenger in a speeding car that got pulled over.

Oh, my bad, robbing a bank and speeding are the same thing. Sorry, sir!

Not the same but your argument doesn't hold up...oh it was just speeding so he is not an accessory. Where do you draw the line?

well, one would think that at least speeding would not be on that side of the line...

"an accessory to speeding" ...surely you're not serious?
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I was just in the same car as the guy that was fleeing from the bank he just robbed. i was not involved!!!! yeah ok pal.

You're fucking stupid. Seriously.

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
What about the guy who was a passenger in a speeding car that got pulled over.

Oh, my bad, robbing a bank and speeding are the same thing. Sorry, sir!

Not the same but your argument doesn't hold up...oh it was just speeding so he is not an accessory. Where do you draw the line?

well, one would think that at least speeding would not be on that side of the line...

"an accessory to speeding" ...surely you're not serious?

Sadly, I think he is serious.

-ly retarded :D
 

Xavier434

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I agree with IcebergSlim in the sense that cops do make mistakes. There should be consequences for those mistakes too. If those actions go unpunished then that is a separate problem entirely which has nothing to do with tasers.

Also, everyone needs to remember that the ratio of instances where a taser is used properly and fulfills its purpose is far greater than the instances where problems occur. Now, that is not to suggest that we shouldn't change anything. Improvements are in order and underway from what I understand based on the OP. I believe that once the dust settles with all of this media hype about tasers that they will be deemed a good thing by the majority of the population.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: AbAbber2k
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Not the same but your argument doesn't hold up...oh it was just speeding so he is not an accessory. Where do you draw the line?

I draw the line when the passenger is an accessory. Seriously, I have to ask again, are you fucking stupid?

we can agree to disagree. But the cop obviously was on my side in this instance. He got tazed or shot.

Uh, no, he's not on your side. The cop was a dumbass and told the passenger to do something then tased him for doing it because he screwed up his words. I'm wondering if you even read the post.

In the end it would be a non issue if the guy hadn't CHOSEN to be in that situation.

I guess you and your friends have never driven 5 over, right? Because that would make you criminals... and you don't associate with criminals right? :roll:

If you're in someone's car, do you watch their speedometer the whole time to make sure they don't break the law? "Hey, buddy, you're in a 50, and you're doing 52. Either slow it down, or pull over and let me out."

Nothing is black and white. There is a reason all criminals aren't sentenced to death and we have a range of punishments for crimes of varying severity. Just like all suspects don't warrant the use of force (lethal or nonlethal).

well, see..if the passenger hadn't CHOSEN to ride with a speeder, this would never have happened...
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
The cop messed up.....cops aren't perfect. Does it suck. Yes it does. HOWEVER HAD THE INVIDUAL NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A SPEEDING CAR IT COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY AVOIDED. Had the cop drawn his tazer instead of his pistol it could have also been avoided completely. If the officer tazed the perp immediately before he got out of the car then nothing would have happened.

And how many people in this WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY do you think have never been in a speeding car? Two? Maybe even three?

Tasing people for sitting shotty when someone else is speeding FTW ?

How fast was this guy speeding for the cop to need to order them out of the car?
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
The cop messed up.....cops aren't perfect. Does it suck. Yes it does. HOWEVER HAD THE INVIDUAL NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A SPEEDING CAR IT COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY AVOIDED. Had the cop drawn his tazer instead of his pistol it could have also been avoided completely. If the officer tazed the perp immediately before he got out of the car then nothing would have happened.

And how many people in this WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY do you think have never been in a speeding car? Two? Maybe even three?

Tasing people for sitting shotty when someone else is speeding FTW ?

Ok I had understood that he was shot with a pistol. Not a tazer. However...it is unfortunate...but if it were protocol that everyone in the offending vehicle is tazed would you continue to speed with your friends in the car or drive with friends that chose to speed. not at all your friends would probably pwn you hard if you tried to speed and the reversal you would no longer ride with friends that were putting you at risk. I tell you what I speed 15 mph over the speed limit daily. I would cease immediately if I knew I could be tazed.
 
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I supposed I shouldn't ride in the cars of others out of fear of being tasered. I'll also stay clear of buses because the driver might go crazy and get us all tased.

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Ok I had understood that he was shot with a pistol. Not a tazer. However...it is unfortunate...but if it were protocol that everyone in the offending vehicle is tazed would you continue to speed with your friends in the car or drive with friends that chose to speed. not at all your friends would probably pwn you hard if you tried to speed and the reversal you would no longer ride with friends that were putting you at risk. I tell you what I speed 15 mph over the speed limit daily. I would cease immediately if I knew I could be tazed.

"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"
"Yeah man."
"Sorry, I can't ride with you. I don't wanna get tased, you know how it is."

What the fuck are you smoking and how much did it cost?
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: LoKe
I supposed I shouldn't ride in the cars of others out of fear of being tasered. I'll also stay clear of buses because the driver might go crazy and get us all tased.

Assuming your friends are aware of the laws. They would probably go far to not get caught speeding get it? Nobody wants to be tazed for speeding.
 

pstylesss

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe
I supposed I shouldn't ride in the cars of others out of fear of being tasered. I'll also stay clear of buses because the driver might go crazy and get us all tased.

Assuming your friends are aware of the laws. They would probably go far to not get caught speeding get it? Nobody wants to be tazed for speeding.

I guess its a good thing this isn't the law.

You claimed the guy who was shot deserved it just because he was in the car with the one breaking the law. I would agree with you if the guy wasn't listening to the cop and was shot - but he was obeying and was shot.

Cops are there to enforce the law, not hand out judgment. There is a reason one person isn't judge, jury, and executioner. Cops can use any means necessary, imo, to protect themselves and others but he does not and should not be handed to power to tell everyone to "Get out of the car and line up for you spankings, maybe next time Mr. Driver will think twice about rolling a stop sign."

Use your fucking brain.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: manowar821
Hey Icebergslim, in accordance with your retarded signature, I will not drink alcohol either. Does that mean I'm also an islamic terrorist? This is exactly the kind of back-wards ass mentality that you're spouting right now in this thread. I guess I should give you props for being so solid in your character type.

150 deaths is 150 too many. Cops with tazers have proven to be more prone to being lazy and just electrocuting people instead of doing their god damn job.

Stop being a prick.

lol. wow. I think tazing sends the right message to the public though. They should use it more frequently. People might think twice before doing something illegal. And 150 is nothing....There are for more deaths related to the toxic drugs pharmaceutical companies are plastering our shelves with and you are worried about 25 deaths per year from tazing people that likely had heart conditions to begin with. You would do well to see how other countries treat their criminals. Our system is like a luxury 5 star hotel in comparison, maybe that is why we have the most people per capita in jail. Its TOO MUCH FUN.

I thought you were a self-proclaimed criminal? Or maybe just a huge hypocrite?

I said I break some laws but I will not piss and moan when I receive the consequences for such actions.

you do realize that these are the points you are arguing:

1) speeders deserve to be tazed if they follow the cops instructions (no resistance whatsoever)

2) passengers of speeders deserve the same treatment (they are accessories to the crime due to the fact that they chose to ride with the lawless speeder)

3)it's their fault for dying if they have a heart condition. (bolded that last one for you)

I'm summarizing this here in hopes that you will read it, because I can only imagine that you have to this point been unaware of the arguments that you have made.
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
The cop messed up.....cops aren't perfect. Does it suck. Yes it does. HOWEVER HAD THE INVIDUAL NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A SPEEDING CAR IT COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY AVOIDED. Had the cop drawn his tazer instead of his pistol it could have also been avoided completely. If the officer tazed the perp immediately before he got out of the car then nothing would have happened.

And how many people in this WHOLE FUCKING COUNTRY do you think have never been in a speeding car? Two? Maybe even three?

Tasing people for sitting shotty when someone else is speeding FTW ?

Ok I had understood that he was shot with a pistol. Not a tazer. However...it is unfortunate...but if it were protocol that everyone in the offending vehicle is tazed would you continue to speed with your friends in the car or drive with friends that chose to speed. not at all your friends would probably pwn you hard if you tried to speed and the reversal you would no longer ride with friends that were putting you at risk. I tell you what I speed 15 mph over the speed limit daily. I would cease immediately if I knew I could be tazed.

So the risk to yourself and everyone around you is not enough to keep you from speeding, but getting a bit of electricity in you is? You are a greedy, selfish bastard if that's true.

If the police had an 'inflict bodily harm first, ask questions later / if at all' procedure, I'd be much more inclined to bring physical harm to the officer before he can hurt me. Some may even begin carrying weapons for the express purpose of killing the cops that inflict mindless violence into what was once a lawful, well structured society, where the police were there to protect and serve, not intimidate and execute.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: LoKe


"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"

"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."

"Cool lets go."

 

Canai

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe


"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"

"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."

"Cool lets go."

So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: zinfamous


you do realize that these are the points you are arguing:

1) speeders deserve to be tazed if they follow the cops instructions (no resistance whatsoever) - yes I was suggesting it as a strong detterent. Not just speeding. Any and all petty crimes.

2) passengers of speeders deserve the same treatment (they are accessories to the crime due to the fact that they chose to ride with the lawless speeder) - Yes this would double the detterment factor.

3)it's their fault for dying if they have a heart condition. (bolded that last one for you) - No I was pointing out that tazers rarely are lethal for anyone without a condition.

I'm summarizing this here in hopes that you will read it, because I can only imagine that you have to this point been unaware of the arguments that you have made.

 

Canai

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: zinfamous


you do realize that these are the points you are arguing:

1) speeders deserve to be tazed if they follow the cops instructions (no resistance whatsoever) - yes I was suggesting it as a strong detterent. Not just speeding. Any and all petty crimes.

2) passengers of speeders deserve the same treatment (they are accessories to the crime due to the fact that they chose to ride with the lawless speeder) - Yes this would double the detterment factor.

3)it's their fault for dying if they have a heart condition. (bolded that last one for you) - No I was pointing out that tazers rarely are lethal for anyone without a condition.

I'm summarizing this here in hopes that you will read it, because I can only imagine that you have to this point been unaware of the arguments that you have made.

OOh found the quote button again eh? ;)
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: zinfamous


you do realize that these are the points you are arguing:

1) speeders deserve to be tazed if they follow the cops instructions (no resistance whatsoever) - yes I was suggesting it as a strong detterent. Not just speeding. Any and all petty crimes.

2) passengers of speeders deserve the same treatment (they are accessories to the crime due to the fact that they chose to ride with the lawless speeder) - Yes this would double the detterment factor.

3)it's their fault for dying if they have a heart condition. (bolded that last one for you) - No I was pointing out that tazers rarely are lethal for anyone without a condition.

I'm summarizing this here in hopes that you will read it, because I can only imagine that you have to this point been unaware of the arguments that you have made.

OOh found the quote button again eh? ;)

:D
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe


"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"

"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."

"Cool lets go."

So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.

You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.
 

pstylesss

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe


"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"

"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."

"Cool lets go."

So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.

You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.

The point flew right over your head *waves bye to point*
 

Xavier434

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How many of you actually fear getting wrongfully tased? I know that I don't. I also know why I don't fear it. I am sure many of you probably feel the same way when you really think about whether or not it will happen to you. When I think about that then I think about all of the cases where someone gets tased by a cop I cannot help but figure that the vast majority of those people were asking for it.
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe


"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"

"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."

"Cool lets go."

So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.

You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.

Not exponentially, no, but you can be damn sure that if you get into an accident going 80, it's going to be much worse than if you were going 65, especially for the person you hit.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe


"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"

"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."

"Cool lets go."

So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.

You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.

The point flew right over your head *waves bye to point*

The point is I do not believe 80 mph is more "SAFE" than 65 mph. I think I will just as likely kill someone doing 65 as I would doing 80. comprende?
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
How many of you actually fear getting wrongfully tased? I know that I don't. I also know why I don't fear it. I am sure many of you probably feel the same way when you really think about whether or not it will happen to you. When I think about that then I think about all of the cases where someone gets tased by a cop I cannot help but figure that the vast majority of those people were asking for it.

I don't know...are you so sure that you won't "accidentally" OD on some primo meth? ;)
 

Canai

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe


"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"

"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."

"Cool lets go."

So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.

You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.

The point flew right over your head *waves bye to point*

The point is I do not believe 80 mph is more "SAFE" than 65 mph. I think I will just as likely kill someone doing 65 as I would doing 80. comprende?

Two cars, going down the road towards each other. One doing 65, one doing 80. The crash head on, but instead of having similar amounts of energy, one car has more. 15mph x the weight of the car = a lot of energy. So maybe the car going 80 pushes the other car back, into the car behind it, or maybe a pedestrian. I don't know.

Bottom line is more speed = more energy = hitting more stuff before the car stops.

edit: but that's besides the point. I don't even remember what we're arguing about here. Oh yeah, the tasers for passengers campaign!
 

pstylesss

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Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe


"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"

"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."

"Cool lets go."

So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.

You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.

The point flew right over your head *waves bye to point*

The point is I do not believe 80 mph is more "SAFE" than 65 mph. I think I will just as likely kill someone doing 65 as I would doing 80. comprende?

No one is trying to convince you of that butterball. They are just trying to point of how stupid your ideas are.