Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe
"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"
"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."
"Cool lets go."
So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.
You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.
The point flew right over your head *waves bye to point*
The point is I do not believe 80 mph is more "SAFE" than 65 mph. I think I will just as likely kill someone doing 65 as I would doing 80. comprende?
Two cars, going down the road towards each other. One doing 65, one doing 80. The crash head on, but instead of having similar amounts of energy, one car has more. 15mph x the weight of the car = a lot of energy. So maybe the car going 80 pushes the other car back, into the car behind it, or maybe a pedestrian. I don't know.
Bottom line is more speed = more energy = hitting more stuff before the car stops.
edit: but that's besides the point. I don't even remember what we're arguing about here. Oh yeah, the tasers for passengers campaign!
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
I don't care. if you are not a criminal you needn't worry.
ahahahah
What about the guy who was a passenger in a speeding car that got pulled over. The officer ordered the passenger out and on the ground. Then told him to get up. The guy gets up and the officer shoots him in the chest.
The officer later says he meant to say "don't get up"
Wasn't a criminal and did exactly what he was told.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe
"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"
"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."
"Cool lets go."
So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.
You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.
The point flew right over your head *waves bye to point*
The point is I do not believe 80 mph is more "SAFE" than 65 mph. I think I will just as likely kill someone doing 65 as I would doing 80. comprende?
Two cars, going down the road towards each other. One doing 65, one doing 80. The crash head on, but instead of having similar amounts of energy, one car has more. 15mph x the weight of the car = a lot of energy. So maybe the car going 80 pushes the other car back, into the car behind it, or maybe a pedestrian. I don't know.
Bottom line is more speed = more energy = hitting more stuff before the car stops.
edit: but that's besides the point. I don't even remember what we're arguing about here. Oh yeah, the tasers for passengers campaign!
Thanks for the physics lesson. Point is that 65mph is lethal and so is 80 mph there isn't a significant increase in the risk imo. However like I said before if tommorow it became law that anything more than 5 mph over the posted speed limit will result in automatic tazing......I will be going 63 mph from then on.
Not you, me, not anyone in their right mind would continue to speed. You know this.
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe
"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"
"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."
"Cool lets go."
So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.
You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.
The point flew right over your head *waves bye to point*
The point is I do not believe 80 mph is more "SAFE" than 65 mph. I think I will just as likely kill someone doing 65 as I would doing 80. comprende?
Two cars, going down the road towards each other. One doing 65, one doing 80. The crash head on, but instead of having similar amounts of energy, one car has more. 15mph x the weight of the car = a lot of energy. So maybe the car going 80 pushes the other car back, into the car behind it, or maybe a pedestrian. I don't know.
Bottom line is more speed = more energy = hitting more stuff before the car stops.
edit: but that's besides the point. I don't even remember what we're arguing about here. Oh yeah, the tasers for passengers campaign!
Thanks for the physics lesson. Point is that 65mph is lethal and so is 80 mph there isn't a significant increase in the risk imo. However like I said before if tommorow it became law that anything more than 5 mph over the posted speed limit will result in automatic tazing......I will be going 63 mph from then on.
Not you, me, not anyone in their right mind would continue to speed. You know this.
I just think it's sad that people won't obey the laws without direct threats of physical harm.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: LoKe
"Hey dude, do you plan on speeding any time today?"
"HELL NO, Are you sick? It's not worth getting Tazed to get there 5 minutes earlier."
"Cool lets go."
So again, getting tased will keep you from speeding, but the increased risks of you killing someone else by a high speed crash has no bearing on the matter. Nice. Good to see you're still sticking by your retarded ideas.
You are not going to convince me that 80 mph is exponentially more lethal than 65.
The point flew right over your head *waves bye to point*
The point is I do not believe 80 mph is more "SAFE" than 65 mph. I think I will just as likely kill someone doing 65 as I would doing 80. comprende?
Two cars, going down the road towards each other. One doing 65, one doing 80. The crash head on, but instead of having similar amounts of energy, one car has more. 15mph x the weight of the car = a lot of energy. So maybe the car going 80 pushes the other car back, into the car behind it, or maybe a pedestrian. I don't know.
Bottom line is more speed = more energy = hitting more stuff before the car stops.
edit: but that's besides the point. I don't even remember what we're arguing about here. Oh yeah, the tasers for passengers campaign!
Thanks for the physics lesson. Point is that 65mph is lethal and so is 80 mph there isn't a significant increase in the risk imo. However like I said before if tommorow it became law that anything more than 5 mph over the posted speed limit will result in automatic tazing......I will be going 63 mph from then on.
Not you, me, not anyone in their right mind would continue to speed. You know this.
I just think it's sad that people won't obey the laws without direct threats of physical harm.
So just to be clear and make sure we are on the same page you never speed nor do you know or associate with anyone that does?
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: compman25
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Here's the thing: Tasers are NOT being used as an alternative to shooting someone, they are being used to subdue anyone who in any way resists. Furthermore, anyone who has any medical condition dealing with electrical signals (anything involving the heart and/or nervous system) is at very high risk of dying.
If you really think that there are not a large number of bad cops (though not necessarily a large percentage), you are a very naive person.
It pains me to think that you'd rather give cops the permission to beat someone, or hell, shoot someone who's resisting or somehow not co-operating. We all know there are bad cops, but personally, I'd rather they use their tasers than their guns.
Look at the John Kerry Tazing, Cops would have never used a Gun in that situation. They wouldn't even draw their Guns in such a situation. There are numerous other video taped examples where Perps were down and pretty much subdued, except they continued to struggle, before they were Tazed. That kind of situation crosses the line from Justifiable Use to Police Brutality at worst or just plain Laziness at best.
So is the cop supposed to just stop wrestling with the perp and let him control the situation? Or should he go all Rodney King on him and beat him to hell with a baton? I think tazing him sounds like a good idea. And there's no such thing as "pretty much subdued". He's either subdued or he's still resisting.
If you're down on your stomach and your arms are being held, but you are wiggling about, you are pretty much subdued and no Tazing is necessary. Yet many times a Tazing was administered in just such a situation.
Originally posted by: compman25
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: compman25
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: LoKe
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Here's the thing: Tasers are NOT being used as an alternative to shooting someone, they are being used to subdue anyone who in any way resists. Furthermore, anyone who has any medical condition dealing with electrical signals (anything involving the heart and/or nervous system) is at very high risk of dying.
If you really think that there are not a large number of bad cops (though not necessarily a large percentage), you are a very naive person.
It pains me to think that you'd rather give cops the permission to beat someone, or hell, shoot someone who's resisting or somehow not co-operating. We all know there are bad cops, but personally, I'd rather they use their tasers than their guns.
Look at the John Kerry Tazing, Cops would have never used a Gun in that situation. They wouldn't even draw their Guns in such a situation. There are numerous other video taped examples where Perps were down and pretty much subdued, except they continued to struggle, before they were Tazed. That kind of situation crosses the line from Justifiable Use to Police Brutality at worst or just plain Laziness at best.
So is the cop supposed to just stop wrestling with the perp and let him control the situation? Or should he go all Rodney King on him and beat him to hell with a baton? I think tazing him sounds like a good idea. And there's no such thing as "pretty much subdued". He's either subdued or he's still resisting.
If you're down on your stomach and your arms are being held, but you are wiggling about, you are pretty much subdued and no Tazing is necessary. Yet many times a Tazing was administered in just such a situation.
There's subdued and not subdued, there is no middle ground when your life is on the line. If the person is still struggling to break free you do what needs to be done to subdue them.
Originally posted by: Canai
If the cops tased for speeding, would I stop? Fuck no. I'd go buy one of those taser-proof jackets and tell the cops to fuck themselves before shooting them in the face and driving away in their car.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
If the cops tased for speeding, would I stop? Fuck no. I'd go buy one of those taser-proof jackets and tell the cops to fuck themselves before shooting them in the face and driving away in their car.
LOLLERSKATES!!!!11111
man that is terrific. I can't have my way so I'm going to start killing cops. BRAVO. I am not the stupidest person in this thread now.
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Xavier434
How many of you actually fear getting wrongfully tased? I know that I don't. I also know why I don't fear it. I am sure many of you probably feel the same way when you really think about whether or not it will happen to you. When I think about that then I think about all of the cases where someone gets tased by a cop I cannot help but figure that the vast majority of those people were asking for it.
I don't know...are you so sure that you won't "accidentally" OD on some primo meth?![]()
Originally posted by: compman25
There's subdued and not subdued, there is no middle ground when your life is on the line. If the person is still struggling to break free you do what needs to be done to subdue them.
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
If the cops tased for speeding, would I stop? Fuck no. I'd go buy one of those taser-proof jackets and tell the cops to fuck themselves before shooting them in the face and driving away in their car.
LOLLERSKATES!!!!11111
man that is terrific. I can't have my way so I'm going to start killing cops. BRAVO. I am not the stupidest person in this thread now.
Should I have put SARCASM ALERT at th top of my post, or would you have missed that too? :roll:
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
If the cops tased for speeding, would I stop? Fuck no. I'd go buy one of those taser-proof jackets and tell the cops to fuck themselves before shooting them in the face and driving away in their car.
LOLLERSKATES!!!!11111
man that is terrific. I can't have my way so I'm going to start killing cops. BRAVO. I am not the stupidest person in this thread now.
Should I have put SARCASM ALERT at th top of my post, or would you have missed that too? :roll:
Then answer the question for real.
Originally posted by: zinfamous
*tosses shovel to IcebergSlim
now, just remember to dig up
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
If the cops tased for speeding, would I stop? Fuck no. I'd go buy one of those taser-proof jackets and tell the cops to fuck themselves before shooting them in the face and driving away in their car.
LOLLERSKATES!!!!11111
man that is terrific. I can't have my way so I'm going to start killing cops. BRAVO. I am not the stupidest person in this thread now.
Should I have put SARCASM ALERT at th top of my post, or would you have missed that too? :roll:
Then answer the question for real.
seems like a valid answer. why wouldn't the criminally-minded adapt this method? they already kill cops.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
If the cops tased for speeding, would I stop? Fuck no. I'd go buy one of those taser-proof jackets and tell the cops to fuck themselves before shooting them in the face and driving away in their car.
LOLLERSKATES!!!!11111
man that is terrific. I can't have my way so I'm going to start killing cops. BRAVO. I am not the stupidest person in this thread now.
Should I have put SARCASM ALERT at th top of my post, or would you have missed that too? :roll:
Then answer the question for real.
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
If the cops tased for speeding, would I stop? Fuck no. I'd go buy one of those taser-proof jackets and tell the cops to fuck themselves before shooting them in the face and driving away in their car.
LOLLERSKATES!!!!11111
man that is terrific. I can't have my way so I'm going to start killing cops. BRAVO. I am not the stupidest person in this thread now.
Should I have put SARCASM ALERT at th top of my post, or would you have missed that too? :roll:
Then answer the question for real.
If the police instituted a police state type subdue first stance on basic violations, I would either leave the country or pick up a taser proof jacket and a great radar detector. If it got worse and they just started rounding people up, then I would consider using deadly weapons. We still have some semblance of Constitutional rights, including the right to bear arms. If the police aim to inflict harm first, they must be beaten to the punch, so to say.
I know it sounds dumb, but I would not stand for such gross rights violations.
Think of it this way, you've got some people in car. They have guns. They are speeding and get pulled. If they know they are just going to get tased and arrested, they are going to either run or open fire on the cops. Or what about that shady looking kid over there who threw a napkin on the ground? As soon as he sees a cop walking towards him, he's going to open fire, since he knows that the cops will find his gun if they get close enough to tase him.
If the police change from people to walking pain machines, I would have no problem defending myself with whatever means necessary.
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
If the cops tased for speeding, would I stop? Fuck no. I'd go buy one of those taser-proof jackets and tell the cops to fuck themselves before shooting them in the face and driving away in their car.
LOLLERSKATES!!!!11111
man that is terrific. I can't have my way so I'm going to start killing cops. BRAVO. I am not the stupidest person in this thread now.
Should I have put SARCASM ALERT at th top of my post, or would you have missed that too? :roll:
Then answer the question for real.
If the police instituted a police state type subdue first stance on basic violations, I would either leave the country or pick up a taser proof jacket and a great radar detector. If it got worse and they just started rounding people up, then I would consider using deadly weapons. We still have some semblance of Constitutional rights, including the right to bear arms. If the police aim to inflict harm first, they must be beaten to the punch, so to say.
I know it sounds dumb, but I would not stand for such gross rights violations.
Think of it this way, you've got some people in car. They have guns. They are speeding and get pulled. If they know they are just going to get tased and arrested, they are going to either run or open fire on the cops. Or what about that shady looking kid over there who threw a napkin on the ground? As soon as he sees a cop walking towards him, he's going to open fire, since he knows that the cops will find his gun if they get close enough to tase him.
If the police change from people to walking pain machines, I would have no problem defending myself with whatever means necessary.
Why are you opting for such extreme measures when it would be much easier and more beneficial for society to simply comply. I mean if your not breaking the law they will not be tazing you. Its pretty basic.
And your example of guns in the car....I don't know how the presence of a tazer makes the situation anymore dire for the perps.
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: Canai
If the cops tased for speeding, would I stop? Fuck no. I'd go buy one of those taser-proof jackets and tell the cops to fuck themselves before shooting them in the face and driving away in their car.
LOLLERSKATES!!!!11111
man that is terrific. I can't have my way so I'm going to start killing cops. BRAVO. I am not the stupidest person in this thread now.
Should I have put SARCASM ALERT at th top of my post, or would you have missed that too? :roll:
Then answer the question for real.
If the police instituted a police state type subdue first stance on basic violations, I would either leave the country or pick up a taser proof jacket and a great radar detector. If it got worse and they just started rounding people up, then I would consider using deadly weapons. We still have some semblance of Constitutional rights, including the right to bear arms. If the police aim to inflict harm first, they must be beaten to the punch, so to say.
I know it sounds dumb, but I would not stand for such gross rights violations.
Think of it this way, you've got some people in car. They have guns. They are speeding and get pulled. If they know they are just going to get tased and arrested, they are going to either run or open fire on the cops. Or what about that shady looking kid over there who threw a napkin on the ground? As soon as he sees a cop walking towards him, he's going to open fire, since he knows that the cops will find his gun if they get close enough to tase him.
If the police change from people to walking pain machines, I would have no problem defending myself with whatever means necessary.
Why are you opting for such extreme measures when it would be much easier and more beneficial for society to simply comply. I mean if your not breaking the law they will not be tazing you. Its pretty basic.
And your example of guns in the car....I don't know how the presence of a tazer makes the situation anymore dire for the perps.
It would be more beneficial for society if the fear and pain sowing cops were removed from the picture. I have nothing against police, mind you, but if the police in the US devolve into pain and death dealing third world soldiers of the peace, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who wouldn't stand for it and blindly comply.
Using threats of pain and violence to force compliance from the populace of a nation is a major source of violent rebellion.
Originally posted by: Canai
It would be more beneficial for society if the fear and pain sowing cops were removed from the picture. I have nothing against police, mind you, but if the police in the US devolve into pain and death dealing third world soldiers of the peace, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who wouldn't stand for it and blindly comply.
Using threats of pain and violence to force compliance from the populace of a nation is a major source of violent rebellion.
edit: and for the guns in the car scenario, there's no guarantee that every car pulled over for speeding will get searched, or even have any reason to be searched. But if every person is removed from the vehicle and tased, I'm pretty sure the cops would find the guns.
I like your sig btw![]()
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Simply put, the Taser is a tool for police officers, but one that has very lethal consequences. If 150 have died from tasering, would 150 have died (officers or suspects) if the tasers were not used? The answer is no. To me, that indicates that something is wrong in the frequency of use by officers.
I disagree. Instead, I think that the voltage output of the tasers needs to be reduced to a point where they are useful, but less deadly. This is what they are looking into I believe. If they manage to tweak the standard issue taser with one which is significantly safer then would you be ok with it?
As a previous poster has mentioned, the standard methods of restraining an individual can be heavily reduced in effectiveness depending on their size and how well they can resist. Tasers, if tweaked to point of safer use, could be a more universal solution to this problem. It will make the jobs of police officers safer.
Originally posted by: compuwiz1
Anyone but me think that occasionally, it's just easier for one of these jelly doughnut cops to just use the taser so they won't need to physically do some work? I can see where a moment of laziness can come into play.