and not even that.If that is all it is, it will backfire and probably help Obama a little. The only angle of it that could hurt is if the divorce papers Trump allegedly has include an allegation of adultery.
In addition to PJabbers post, did you know the Mormons have something like 350 grocery stores that anyone can go to and shop for free? Everything from staples to meat and toiletries. You don't have to be a member or attend any sermons, just pickup a form once from a local bishop and you are good to go. All operated by volunteers and donations.Not all charities are created equal. The Mormon Church, for example, which I'm pretty sure accounts for the bulk of Romney's charitable giving, doesn't strike me as a great cause, given the Church's stance on social issues such as abortion and gay marriage. That's important to consider. If he was donating all his money to educational initiatives or programs to find cures for diseases, hey, great. But his money goes to an organization that engages in political activity that runs exactly counter to my own beliefs. So his millions in charitable contributions don't really sway me his direction; you have to consider where the money actually goes.
What are the details of Romney's tax plan? How about seeing 10 years of his tax returns?So Romney releasing less information than Obama is a positive or doesn't matter. Gotcha.
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I agree that Mormons by and large are great people and do great things. However I would hesitate touting giving to a purely religious organization as 'charity'. I give to my church (Presbyterian) and thankfully can deduct it on my taxes, though in my mind it's tithing, not charity.In addition to PJabbers post, did you know the Mormons have something like 350 grocery stores that anyone can go to and shop for free? Everything from staples to meat and toiletries. You don't have to be a member or attend any sermons, just pickup a form once from a local bishop and you are good to go. All operated by volunteers and donations.
I am not religious at all, but feel the need to defend Mormons sometimes since those who I have known have been great people who don't just donate some money and right off taxes, they donate their time and sweat. I remember when a local LDS church, I think they are called wards at the local level, spent a weekend putting a new roof on a non members home along with carpeting after a storm trashed the house. Their was no way the single parent family could have afforded to fix it, no idea why insurance did not kick in, but this was years ago. Anyway, they just did it, no strings attached.
But hey, they wear magic underwear so that negates all the good they do the around the world, amirite? It would be so much better if they just thought like the typical ATP&N forum religious hater, just ask all the people they have helped if they care what the churches stance is on social issues once they have free food or a roof over their head.
I have known and worked with many Mormons, particularly when I was in the Air Force. With one lone exception (a terrible child molester I prosecuted), every Mormon I have ever met is someone I would consider an above-average person, in terms of their intelligence, decency, sense of humor, and all around integrity. I really can't fault Mormons as a whole in any way.In addition to PJabbers post, did you know the Mormons have something like 350 grocery stores that anyone can go to and shop for free? Everything from staples to meat and toiletries. You don't have to be a member or attend any sermons, just pickup a form once from a local bishop and you are good to go. All operated by volunteers and donations.
I am not religious at all, but feel the need to defend Mormons sometimes since those who I have known have been great people who don't just donate some money and right off taxes, they donate their time and sweat. I remember when a local LDS church, I think they are called wards at the local level, spent a weekend putting a new roof on a non members home along with carpeting after a storm trashed the house. Their was no way the single parent family could have afforded to fix it, no idea why insurance did not kick in, but this was years ago. Anyway, they just did it, no strings attached.
But hey, they wear magic underwear so that negates all the good they do the around the world, amirite? It would be so much better if they just thought like the typical ATP&N forum religious hater, just ask all the people they have helped if they care what the churches stance is on social issues once they have free food or a roof over their head.
Link? The LDS is also a multi-billion dollar business owning many large corporations. What little good they actually do is undone by their overt bigotry, checkered past and missionary work. I can't stand it when some rich church goes into a third world country and offers them food and clothes with strings attached. That is not charity, that is coerced religious conversion.In addition to PJabbers post, did you know the Mormons have something like 350 grocery stores that anyone can go to and shop for free? Everything from staples to meat and toiletries.
Bush and Kerry both released their college transcripts.Here's a better question for you. Why does he have to release it when no other president has?
This subject was covered in detail on Rock Center with Brian Williams hour long show on the LDS church. They even went into one and one of the main warehouses that makes Costco look like a corner store.Link? The LDS is also a multi-billion dollar business owning many large corporations. What little good they actually do is undone by their overt bigotry, checkered past and missionary work. I can't stand it when some rich church goes into a third world country and offers them food and clothes with strings attached. That is not charity, that is coerced religious conversion.
I assume you don't know the history behind how Bush's grades entered the public domain?Bush and Kerry both released their college transcripts.
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Kerry also refused to release his records during the campaign. They became public after he lost. Your link supports that.George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them,*according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.
he will likely win by a big margin and i would not doubt the republicans will try to impeach him for something stupid.it will be fun watching Obama win the election. all these right wing hacks crying for the next four years.get all your rage out now so it won't be so bad.
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Romney's tax returns are sitting underneath Obama's transcripts. Since Obama has the transcripts hidden, the tax returns are also hidden.What are the details of Romney's tax plan? How about seeing 10 years of his tax returns?
That would be awesome! Obama would squelch all those who currently defend him and say he is not an ass if he did that. I am all for it.How about if Obama responds:
I will gladly produce all requested records, and will use $2.5 million of the promised $5 million for the charity of my choice, but I'll do so ONLY if Mitt Romney releases the full details of the his last 10 years of tax returns by October 31, and Mitt can allocate the remaining $2.5 million to the charity of his choice.
This, Trump's behavior here is deplorable. It's an attention seeking stunt that Trump is trying to sell as altrustic and some how good for everyone involved. Trump comes across as out of touch and a bit needy here since he has no business in these matters. Anyone without such a gigantic ego would have learned sometime ago to butt out.I don't think Obama should respond with anything other than a dismissive "no". The President of the United States should not be trading insults and dares with the likes of a buffoon like Donald Trump. Trump can then go back to belittling desperate people and has-beens on his crappy reality show.
These are damned near, verbatim, the exact thoughts that went through my head when I heard the "announcement." That said, Romney will never release his tax returns - as it is almost certainly bad for his campaign (if it weren't, he would have done it).While I expect the President will ignore Trump's offer altogether, it would be interesting if he were to say:
"Thank you for your generous offer, The Donald. Here are all of the records you requested, and please make your check payable to the American Cancer Society.
I agree that transparency is important, and hence Joe Biden and I have posted ten years of our tax returns on my campaign website. Accordingly, I will myself pledge to pay $1M (not sure the President could afford $5M) to a charity of Governor Romney's choice so long as he and his running mate post the same information to their own website by October 31."
Would love this. But someone at work had a better idea.These are damned near, verbatim, the exact thoughts that went through my head when I heard the "announcement." That said, Romney will never release his tax returns - as it is almost certainly bad for his campaign (if it weren't, he would have done it).
How about if Obama responds:
I will gladly produce all requested records, and will use $2.5 million of the promised $5 million for the charity of my choice, but I'll do so ONLY if Mitt Romney releases the full details of the his last 10 years of tax returns by October 31, and Mitt can allocate the remaining $2.5 million to the charity of his choice.
Where have you been for the last few years. You just described how Trump operates on a normal basis. The press will not ignore him - he makes good press as seen by this thread alone. He is the man everyone loves to hate and therefor brings in money for the press.This, Trump's behavior here is deplorable. It's an attention seeking stunt that Trump is trying to sell as altrustic and some how good for everyone involved. Trump comes across as out of touch and a bit needy here since he has no business in these matters. Anyone without such a gigantic ego would have learned sometime ago to butt out.
Media should have dismissed Trump as well, but they saw a grab bag so they took it. Saw Trump interviewed on CNN about this most recent stunt and it was absurd.