Does OfficeMax have a problem with shop lifting or something?

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Sure it does. Both are watching you to make sure you obey the law. Neither had any reason to watch you other than the fact that you exist. Both presume potential guilt rather than potential innocence.

OM security detail and the police have two very different levels of authority. You can't just ignore a police officer if he wants to question you regarding theft andd continue shopping.

Sure I can as long as I'm in the store. Not shoplifting unless I try to leave the store without paying for something.

And how would they know without watching you to see what you put in your pockets or otherwise hid from the clerk at the checkout line?

Like everyone else, with cameras. Some jackass walking around watching you and saying things like "he's headed to the back" "Be careful, watch him" is a helluva lot different than being watched via camera.

Not really. You could have those guys up in the "viewing room" or whatever pointing to you on camera going "he's headed to the back! Be careful! Watch him!" The only difference is that you could actually hear it, to which I only have to say this: Who fvcking cares?

Jesus what a bunch of pussy whining sniveling cry babies. :roll:

...dang, that was close NFS4, almost lost the other one.

 

[cyclohexane]

...not at my officemax

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Hammer
but you agree its intrusive to your privacy?

No, intrusive to my privacy would be pulling my pants down to see if I'm wearing boxers or briefs.

 

[Medicine Bear]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Sure it does. Both are watching you to make sure you obey the law. Neither had any reason to watch you other than the fact that you exist. Both presume potential guilt rather than potential innocence.

OM security detail and the police have two very different levels of authority. You can't just ignore a police officer if he wants to question you regarding theft andd continue shopping.

Sure I can as long as I'm in the store. Not shoplifting unless I try to leave the store without paying for something.

And how would they know without watching you to see what you put in your pockets or otherwise hid from the clerk at the checkout line?

Like everyone else, with cameras. Some jackass walking around watching you and saying things like "he's headed to the back" "Be careful, watch him" is a helluva lot different than being watched via camera.

Not really. You could have those guys up in the "viewing room" or whatever pointing to you on camera going "he's headed to the back! Be careful! Watch him!" The only difference is that you could actually hear it, to which I only have to say this: Who fvcking cares?

Jesus what a bunch of pussy whining sniveling cry babies. :roll:

...dang, that was close NFS4, almost lost the other one.

If they want to do it where they can't be heard then fine. Saying it where someone can hear you is intrusive, classless and in today's society just begging for a discrimination lawwsuit to be filed on you.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Sure it does. Both are watching you to make sure you obey the law. Neither had any reason to watch you other than the fact that you exist. Both presume potential guilt rather than potential innocence.

OM security detail and the police have two very different levels of authority. You can't just ignore a police officer if he wants to question you regarding theft andd continue shopping.

Sure I can as long as I'm in the store. Not shoplifting unless I try to leave the store without paying for something.

And how would they know without watching you to see what you put in your pockets or otherwise hid from the clerk at the checkout line?

Like everyone else, with cameras. Some jackass walking around watching you and saying things like "he's headed to the back" "Be careful, watch him" is a helluva lot different than being watched via camera.

Not really. You could have those guys up in the "viewing room" or whatever pointing to you on camera going "he's headed to the back! Be careful! Watch him!" The only difference is that you could actually hear it, to which I only have to say this: Who fvcking cares?

Jesus what a bunch of pussy whining sniveling cry babies. :roll:

...dang, that was close NFS4, almost lost the other one.

you just said you wouldn't shop at best buy because of their sales folks? how is that any different then saying i wouldn't shop at OM because of their security policies? it's the same damn thing.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Hammer
you just said you wouldn't shop at best buy because of their sales folks? how is that any different then saying i wouldn't shop at OM because of their security policies? it's the same damn thing.

Did you miss the part where I said "However, I still go there to shop because..."?

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: hypn0tik
Based on your first post in this thread, it doesn't appear that way.

Right, because I was quoting my original post

The rest of your posts don't seem to indicate that either. Basically you agree that OM is in the right and should continue treating their customers like criminals.

Whatever happened to the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty'? It would be better for them to invest in some security cameras (if they don't have them already).

You're putting words in my mouth. When did I say that OM is in the right and should continue to treat their customers like criminals? When did OM actually treat customers like criminals either? That question still hasn't been answered yet.

The entire idea of "innocent until proven guilty" does not mean that you're completely ignored until someone magically stumbles upon proof that you're a criminal. If that were the case, we wouldn't have anyone performing security anywhere. We'd just have to wait until someone goes "oh, hey, I just happened to find a picture here of this guy shoplifting! I don't know how I got it, but since he's no longer innocent, we can start watching him, following him around, and protecting our assets!"

Silly.

Anyway, OM needs to protect their assets just like anyone else does. How they do it is up to them. Who cares if some guy with a headset is reporting your movements to someone else in the store? WHAT THE HELL DOES IT MATTER? You realize that when you use an ATM, you're being monitored or recorded on video, right? HOLY HELL THEY'RE TREATING YOU LIKE A CRIMINAL!!

oh wait, they're not. :roll: They're just making standard observations very very obvious. Big freakin farkin deal.

once again, your argument doesn't make any sense. no one is complaining about cameras or being watched. did you even read this thread?

here's a new word for you Nik, since you apparently don't know it:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=intrusive

How is someone standing at the front of the store to report your actions any different than a video cam watching you as you come in? How is it any different than someone sitting in an office in the back with a bajillion monitors linked to cams all over the store, following one person around from monitor to monitor as they move through out the store?

Is the difference that the customer just can't see the guy in the office?

Please educate me about the difference between the two, Hammer.

Simple. One is done discreetly (other customers don't know), what OM is doing is practically announcing they suspect you, loud enough for others to hear.

The proof is in the pudding, if the customers (the ones OM wants $$ from) feel like they aren't being treated right (however that is), then OM won't have to worry about loss prevention, because no one will be there.

 

[kranky]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
Sure it does. Both are watching you to make sure you obey the law. Neither had any reason to watch you other than the fact that you exist. Both presume potential guilt rather than potential innocence.

OM security detail and the police have two very different levels of authority. You can't just ignore a police officer if he wants to question you regarding theft andd continue shopping.

Sure I can as long as I'm in the store. Not shoplifting unless I try to leave the store without paying for something.

You might want to run that thought by a lawyer before relying on it.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Hammer
you just said you wouldn't shop at best buy because of their sales folks? how is that any different then saying i wouldn't shop at OM because of their security policies? it's the same damn thing.

Did you miss the part where I said "However, I still go there to shop because..."?

well we have a difference of opinion then. you are ok with it enough to keep shopping there, I wouldn't. the dollar ultimates talks, so i choose to take my money to their competitors. pretty simple stuff.

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: bonkers325

Originally posted by: brian_riendeau
The only real solution to this is to walk around the store and act like a shady character the entire time.

put on a black jumpsuit and tippy toe around the store going "dun dun... DUN DUN... dun dun dun dun dun dun........ DUN DUN DUN!!!!"

bwahahaha...and take video for ATOT's amusement

 

[Pantoot]

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Sure I can as long as I'm in the store. Not shoplifting unless I try to leave the store without paying for something.

You might want to run that thought by a lawyer before relying on it.

Legal Myths

You are not guilty of shoplifting until you leave a store with merchandise you did not pay for.

Wrong. Generally, people who conceal merchandise while inside a store may be guilty of shoplifting. Also, changing a price tag on an item for the purpose of paying less than the stated price is shoplifting.

 

[Platypus]

Haven't you guys learned not to let Nik clusterfvck every thread he posts in yet?

I mean seriously, it's not that hard not to reply.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Haven't you guys learned not to let Nik clusterfvck every thread he posts in yet?

I mean seriously, it's not that hard not to reply.

but it so much more fun to argue with him and make him look stupid.

 

[Medicine Bear]

Originally posted by: Pantoot

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Sure I can as long as I'm in the store. Not shoplifting unless I try to leave the store without paying for something.

You might want to run that thought by a lawyer before relying on it.

Legal Myths

You are not guilty of shoplifting until you leave a store with merchandise you did not pay for.

Wrong. Generally, people who conceal merchandise while inside a store may be guilty of shoplifting. Also, changing a price tag on an item for the purpose of paying less than the stated price is shoplifting.

Not talking about concealing it, just walking out of the store with it.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Pantoot

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Sure I can as long as I'm in the store. Not shoplifting unless I try to leave the store without paying for something.

You might want to run that thought by a lawyer before relying on it.

Legal Myths

You are not guilty of shoplifting until you leave a store with merchandise you did not pay for.

Wrong. Generally, people who conceal merchandise while inside a store may be guilty of shoplifting. Also, changing a price tag on an item for the purpose of paying less than the stated price is shoplifting.

Not talking about concealing it, just walking out of the store with it.

Did you miss the replies in this thread suggesting running around in the store harrassing the security detail?

 

[Medicine Bear]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Originally posted by: Pantoot

Originally posted by: kranky

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear

Sure I can as long as I'm in the store. Not shoplifting unless I try to leave the store without paying for something.

You might want to run that thought by a lawyer before relying on it.

Legal Myths

You are not guilty of shoplifting until you leave a store with merchandise you did not pay for.

Wrong. Generally, people who conceal merchandise while inside a store may be guilty of shoplifting. Also, changing a price tag on an item for the purpose of paying less than the stated price is shoplifting.

Not talking about concealing it, just walking out of the store with it.

Did you miss the replies in this thread suggesting running around in the store harrassing the security detail?

No, in fact I wrote one of them.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
No, in fact I wrote one of them.

I know you did. Rhetorical question to get you to consider the various suggestions of such actions along with the link.

 

[sparkyclarky]

never had that problem at the OMaxs I've visited here in WI

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: middlehead
I'm going to go to the nearest office max, stuff a bunch of supplies down my pants, walk around for an hour, and put the merchandise back.

lol

 

[GoodRevrnd]

EDIT: Remembering what happened to that home depot guy a few years ago I think I'll just say nothing.

 

[Nocturnal]

At our new Best Buy that just opened up they have those guys at the front too with headsets on. I'm not sure if they're always on communicating with others but they do wear those stupid head sets.

 

[suse920]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Hammer
but you agree its intrusive to your privacy?

No, intrusive to my privacy would be pulling my pants down to see if I'm wearing boxers or briefs.

Well we already know you have thick skin Nik so this doesnt really surprise me as much as it should.

 

[augidog]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I bet their shoplifting is down

i bet their "shopping" is down, too

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: augidog

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I bet their shoplifting is down

i bet their "shopping" is down, too

And I bet employee theft is up

 

[AstroCreep]

I haven't been in my local Office Max in a while (Akron, OH), but I'm gonna have to now!
I'll wear my black duster (re: long "Trench Coat") which almost always puts me on storewide LP radar.

I'm surprised no one has brought up Target yet. They have guys right inside the door who wear navy-blue uniforms complete with little silver badges and pouch-belts and everything! They also have plain-clothes LP guys wandering around the stores.

Now I don't shoplift (not since my younger days, anyway) so I really have no concern about people following me around or anything. Hell, if they're obvious about it I might ask them for help or just strike up a conversation with them for no apparent reason ("So what'cha think about this campaign finacen reform?").