Does desktop CPU power consumption matter to you?

[Phynaz]

That is a personal attack, in fact you are making an assumption about me based on my nationality, it's borderline racist.

Nationality - the legal relationship between an individual human and a nation state.

Racism - the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups.

Racism not found.

When do the Nazi references start?

 

[Piroko]

That is a personal attack, in fact you are making an assumption about me based on my nationality, it's borderline racist.

But it is true. Most houses in Germany stay cool inside without an A/C even with temperatures of 35~40°C (95~105F) during noon in August. I don't actually know a single household with an A/C here, and I live in one of the warmest places in Germany. You can't beat not needing an A/C thanks to proper insulation.

 

[Phynaz]

Its not racists.........its nationalist......there's a difference...

Still not a cool thing to do

Why? He's right. In the US we generally don't give a crap about our energy consumption because it's so cheap. So go for the long term effects of that usage. We don't want to be inconvenienced by conservation.

 

[Chiropteran]

Nationality - the legal relationship between an individual human and a nation state.

Racism - the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups.

African-american is also a nationality, yet most people assume that any comment referencing it as a nationality really just means "black".

I mean, if I posted something like "oh, it looks like you are french, I guess you must be good at surrendering" would that be acceptable? I don't think so.

 

[Chiropteran]

In the US we generally

(insert race) generally scores lower on tests, so it's a fact that they are stupider than us.

Just because something is generally true doesn't make it okay to assume in every case.

 

[ShintaiDK]

That is a personal attack, in fact you are making an assumption about me based on my nationality, it's borderline racist.

Say what? Your country got certain building codes and standards. Hence why.

Aha, the truth comes out! If you live in a cold climate, the "wasted" electricity on a CPU simply results in free heat for your home. It makes even less sense for you to spend money on a more efficient processor when you don't even need to compensate for the heat produced.

Heat cost a fraction of electricity here. But even then, our heat usage is minimal as well. Insulation works both ways, cold and hot areas.

Sure. http://www.google.com

So you didnt have any facts? Thanks.

No, it does not matter. Electricity can not be efficiently stored or saved. If I don't use 10W by switching to a more efficient CPU, it just means 10W goes unusued, it's not like the electric company can put that 10W into a battery and save it 100 years for my great-grandkids. It doesn't work that way.

Are you saying that if everyone saved 10W, the power companies would still produce the same as if everyone dint save 10W?

You do know power companies scale production after demand, right?

 

[ShintaiDK]

But it is true. Most houses in Germany stay cool inside without an A/C even with temperatures of 35~40°C (95~105F) during noon in August. I don't actually know a single household with an A/C here, and I live in one of the warmest places in Germany. You can't beat not needing an A/C thanks to proper insulation.

Exactly!

 

[Phynaz]

African-american is also a nationality

I don't see a nation named Africa-America on the map. Could you point it out to me?

Or better yet, could we get back on subject? Power consumption doesn't matter to you, we get it. You can stop telling us we are wrong because it matters to us.

 

[Phynaz]

Are you saying that if everyone saved 10W, the power companies would still produce the same as if everyone dint save 10W?

You do know power companies scale production after demand, right?

Give it up. You're not going to accomplish anything. He doesn't care and there's nothing you or anyone else can do to make him care.

 

[Chiropteran]

Say what? Your country got certain building codes and standards. Hence why.

Unacceptable. I am not my country, you do not know me, don't make assumptions.

Heat cost a fraction of electricity here. But even then, out heat usage is minimal as well. Insulation works both ways, cold and hot areas.

So? Minimal or not, waste heat still saves you that.

So you didnt have any facts? Thanks.

I've stated the facts. If you refuse to believe them, please post evidence to the contrary or simply admit that you are making stuff up. I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Are you saying that if everyone saved 10W, the power companies would still produce the same as if everyone dint save 10W?

You do know power companies scale production after demand, right?

Demand is variable. A less than 0.1% reduction in power usage, even across the nation, is going to be lost in the noise of normal variance.

Not to mention, "if everyone" went out and bought a new computer to save a few W of electricity, the waste trash from old computers and the wasted gas driving to the store and/or waste used to transport the new computer to the persons home would all dwarf the tiny electricity savings. How much power do you think is wasted in manufacturing and shipping a PC? Multiply that by "everyone", since you think everyone needs to run out and upgrade. Not so green anymore, is it?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Give it up. You're not going to accomplish anything. He doesn't care and there's nothing you or anyone else can do to make him care.

Yep you are right.

 

[Chiropteran]

Or better yet, could we get back on subject?

You are the one that drove us off subject. I guess shouldn't respond to your troll attempts. I'm going to ignore you, enjoy.

 

[Phynaz]

You are the one that drove us off subject. I guess shouldn't respond to your troll attempts. I'm going to ignore you, enjoy.

Click on view user profile, then user lists. You'll find ignore under there.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Northern Europe is generally a cold place and AC is not a popular household purchase but the southern part (Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc) can get quite hot and AC becomes a necessity.

 

[Rifter]

Yes... Because your post totally isn't the kind of thing to add fuel to a fire. Not at all.

As IDC has already laid out pages back it is undeniable that intel offers more performance per watt. That is a fact. Not adding fuel to the fire.

I was just pointing out that people will buy what they want for whatever reasons they like, weather those reasons are power consumption, performance, or an emotional attachment to intel/AMD, and that's not a bad thing. Its a free country.

 

[Torn Mind]

Electricity is usually produce by spinning turbines. If enough people jump in to decrease consumption, less turbines have to be called into action. That said, total-cost analysis is important so you remember to see the forest from the trees.

I would not be surprised if most American houses are worse in thermals than their European counterparts. I doubt most people even know what a passive house is and just fires up the AC/heat to 70-74 degrees.

 

[Piroko]

Northern Europe is generally a cold place and AC is not a popular household purchase but the southern part (Portugal, Spain, Italy, etc) can get quite hot and AC becomes a necessity.

Actually, I don't know any household with an A/C in Greece either, but I know only 4. You don't see the windows plastered with them either though, apart from maybe Athens. Btw. A/C in private hoseholds is not a necessity, it's a luxury item.

 

[UaVaj]

i do care (since I am the one paying the electric bill), however not at the expense of performance.

did not buy high performance component to save on power.

as long as performance does not take a hit, any power saving is a welcome bonus.

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bottomline is power saving = less performance. isn't there a thread here that show you how to disable all power saving features for maximum performance.

 

[bgt]

I do have an AC, only...........ultra efficient. Energy label A. EER=5,41. Its for my bedroom. When running at night=17 Db noise.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Here in Denmark,
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Simply because its too expensive for both parties to use more.

Sounds like a real downside to living there. Come to the US of A, where power is plentiful and cheap. Then you won't have to worry about owning an AMD CPU making you bankrupt, like in Denmark, apparently.

 

[Ajay]

Desktop, not as much (given I have an overclocked Nehalem, no big surprise). Though, even if a 4.5 GHz 8350 was just as fast as a 4.5 GHz IVB, I'd go Intel because of the lower power consumption.

For something like an HTPC, quiet would job number one so long as the system can get the job done, so yeah, lower power usage means quieter cooling.

 

[2is]

Sounds like a real downside to living there. Come to the US of A, where power is plentiful and cheap. Then you won't have to worry about owning an AMD CPU making you bankrupt, like in Denmark, apparently.

I opted for Option C... I live in the USA and went with Intel. Power is cheap, processor is far more efficient and faster.

 

[frozentundra123456]

That is a personal attack, in fact you are making an assumption about me based on my nationality, it's borderline racist.



Aha, the truth comes out! If you live in a cold climate, the "wasted" electricity on a CPU simply results in free heat for your home. It makes even less sense for you to spend money on a more efficient processor when you don't even need to compensate for the heat produced.



Sure. http://www.google.com




No, it does not matter. Electricity can not be efficiently stored or saved. If I don't use 10W by switching to a more efficient CPU, it just means 10W goes unusued, it's not like the electric company can put that 10W into a battery and save it 100 years for my great-grandkids. It doesn't work that way.

Electricity itself cannot be saved, but electricity does not magically appear from nowhere. Electricity is produced by burning fuel, and using less electricity means less fuel is used and the fuel can be saved for the future.

 

[bononos]

Thats why taxing what you dont wish to use is a huge socialeconomic bonus, despite of what some might think. Businesses get more competitive since they ahve to be more efficient. People uses less resoruces and saves money in the long run. Infrastructure dont need to be expanded and so on.

Here in Denmark, the energy companies want people and companies to use less energy and send free consultants to help find saving options. Simply because its too expensive for both parties to use more.

One of the first things that Reagan did was rip out Carter's solar panels in the white house, something quite popular actually since it gave the signal that messing with American 'way of life' was not to be trifled with. And GWB used the same American wol being threatened shtick before rolling out with his wars.

Europe does better govt planning on a large scale which means their economy has a more energy efficient ratio to gdp but the thought of govt planning actually doing something so useful is abhorrent to many Americans so...

Anyway to get back on track, the 8350 was measured by IDC in his thread to be consuming 200W at stock! running Linx. If that isn't alarming, I dunno what is. It doesn't help that the only defense is waving away the issue by simply saying that it won't bankrupt you or that it works as a good heater in the winter.

 

[Ajay]

Yes, Europe's better planning on a large scale has really given them a competitive advantage in world markets. I'm sure they 'planned' on recovering more slowly than America.

My only real point here is that if you want to talk about this stuff, go to P&N. And buy a fire retardant suit before you go