Does desktop CPU power consumption matter to you?

[ShintaiDK]

I assume they have A/C the same as you assume they have an inefficient computer to begin with. Yes it is a whole other matter, it's a much more relevant and meaningful matter, is my point. If you are going to worry about electricity usage, you should focus on the things that actually matter.

I can run my terribly inefficient AMD computer for about 10 years straight and use less electricity than I use with my A/C in one summer. Even less significant, the difference between my horrible AMD system and an "efficient" Intel system is so small that I'd have to run it for 100 years or more to make the difference greater than ONE SINGLE SUMMER SEASON of A/C usage. I can't stress enough, the difference you are talking about is not relevant in the world we live in.

I'm not sure where you get your figures, a normal sized house has a 2000-3500W A/C unit. Even a single room window AC unit typically uses 1200W.

Much less people got AC than there is with PCs. And I dont hope everyone got such an inefficient setup as yours.

So your rationale is because you got a poorly insulated house and leak cold air. That we then should keep wasting resources and money?

I dont think you thought it through.

Also those 10Ws extra heat would have to be removed by the AC as well. So in your case the saving is greater than 10W.

Many small streams make one big river.

 

[Gikaseixas]

And we are back to those 5$ a month extra...

You thought you made a good buy, but you didnt.

LOL
My chip is as fast as yours, loose some and win some benches. Since I don't care for minuscule extra power it consumes compared to yours I say it's a good buy. I don't regret one bit.

 

[Gikaseixas]

You are not getting something in return. You are just paying more monthly for your original purchase. IDC said it perfectly in his post about the rationale behind.

No, I'm getting great performance out of it. IDC is not perfect, he's just as human as you are. While being a wise and informed poster He does says stuff that doesn't really computes sometimes. Oops I just said it.

 

[Piroko]

Yep, its all about avoiding the bad purchase in the first place. And only replace those "early" that got an economic reasons for it. Specially firdge and freezer.

I'm all for avoiding bad purchases and honoring efficient components. But really, many people here buy new for the sake of buying new and only talk the talk of enviroment (not pointing at anyone specific). I might have one of the oldest PCs in here and it's just over 3 years old. That's sad in a way.

 

[ShintaiDK]

LOL
My chip is as fast as yours, loose some and win some benches. Since I don't care for minuscule extra power it consumes compared to yours I say it's a good buy. I don't regret one bit.

Yours is a 140W+ chip, mine is a 77W.

 

[Chiropteran]

Yours is a 140W+ chip, mine is a 77W.

Except those numbers aren't even remotely relevant for the discussion we are having. No CPU actually runs at the rated maximum wattage 24/7. You are talking about peak usage which the average user might use for a few seconds a day. The vast majority of the time your CPU cores are sitting idle and using a much smaller amount of power, which isn't necessarily scaled the same way as the maximum power draw.

 

[Phynaz]

Except those numbers aren't even remotely relevant for the discussion we are having. No CPU actually runs at the rated maximum wattage 24/7.

You're right, that Intel chip actually like a 45w CPU.

The 8350 will pull 140w during encoding, so you are wrong on that point.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Yours is a 140W+ chip, mine is a 77W.

I don't care one bit plus mine its cheaper too haha.

 

[Chiropteran]

Much less people got AC than there is with PCs. And I dont hope everyone got such an inefficient setup as yours.

I do not have an inefficient setup, nice personal attack though. The power numbers I listed are from google, average standard numbers.

I'm not sure your statement is accurate, re: more people have PCs than AC. I know a lot of people who don't have a regular PC but do have AC. I also know that even if more people have PCs, since A/C uses about 100X as much power, it doesn't matter if a few more people have PC, unless you can prove 100 times as many people have computers.

So your rationale is because you got a poorly insulated house and leak cold air. That we then should keep wasting resources and money?

I didn't say any of that, you are trying to put words in my mouth. Regular ordinary average A/C system uses between 2k and 3.5k watts. Nothing special or bad about it.

I dont think you thought it through.

It seems to me that you can't fight my argument at all, so instead you create a straw-man out of things I never said. I assume this means you concede that all my main points are correct, since you have offered nothing to dispute them?

Also those 10Ws extra heat would have to be removed by the AC as well. So in your case the saving is greater than 10W.

During summer months when A/C is used, yes. But the extra 1W of power your A/C expends is still minuscule compared to the total electrical power used during it's regular cooling duties.

 

[Chiropteran]

You're right, that Intel chip actually like a 45w CPU.

The 8350 will pull 140w during encoding, so you are wrong on that point.

Wrong, I haven't encoded a since thing in the last 5 years. Why do you assume everyone uses your cherry picked benchmarks?

 

[Phynaz]

Wrong, I haven't encoded a since thing in the last 5 years. Why do you assume everyone uses your cherry picked benchmarks?

What benchmark did I use? I don't see that I mentioned one.

Are you saying the 8350 will not use 140W during encoding?

Looks like the AMD holy war crew is getting riled up again.

 

[Gikaseixas]

No Phynaz, he's saying that he doesn't encode much. Got it?

 

[Phynaz]

No Phynaz, he's saying that he doesn't encode much. Got it?

Which I don't understand, because I never said he did. And I never talked about benchmarks.

The only thing I posted is encoding on a 8350 will use 140 watts of power. That's a fact.

 

[grimpr]

If this so important to some then why do most of you guys have high end stuff and overclock the shit out of it? Wanna be green, be all the way and start with your PC...

:thumbsup:

Because its the new Intel prayer mantra since SB came to market and the one you'll see they'll go nuts about with Haswell which i find somewhat out of context in a cpu enthusiast & overclockers forum. I mean, the venerable Core i7 920 was a blast furnace and a power hog and nobody bitched about it, the FX-8350 is a different, and imho better, beast compared to the i7 920 and everybody talks about power consumption, talk about double standards first and out of place bragging rights, if want priority on power consumption, heat & noise over anything else i'll move to the dedicated forums & threads relevant around silent pcs and notebooks, for its price the FX8350 rips at 4.6-4.7ghz right?

 

[Chiropteran]

Which I don't understand, because I never said he did. And I never talked about benchmarks.

The only thing I posted is encoding on a 8350 will use 140 watts of power. That's a fact.

No, it won't use 140W while encoding, because I won't encode with it.

Ever.

Got it? I'm not sure why it's difficult for you to grasp.

 

[Phynaz]

Where did I say yours would? I said a 8350 would.

Get it? You need to calm down and read.

 

[Gikaseixas]

:thumbsup:

Because its the new Intel prayer mantra since SB came to market and the one you'll see they'll go nuts about with Haswell which i find somewhat out of context in a cpu enthusiast & overclockers forum. I mean, the venerable Core i7 920 was a blast furnace and a power hog and nobody bitched about it, the FX-8350 is a different, and imho better, beast compared to the i7 920 and everybody talks about power consumption, talk about double standards first and out of place bragging rights, if want priority on power consumption, heat & noise over anything else i'll move to the dedicated forums & threads relevant around silent pcs and notebooks, for its price the FX8350 rips at 4.6-4.7ghz right?

Very well said.
You really can't go wrong with the FX8350. Pretty damn fast chip for the price and since this is first and foremost an enthusiast forum, power consumption shouldn't be the number one criteria to classify a high performance CPU.

 

[Chiropteran]

Where did I say yours would? I said a 8350 would.

Get it? You need to calm down and read.

Lets go back a bit.

I said:
No CPU actually runs at the rated maximum wattage 24/7.

Then you said:

The 8350 will pull 140w during encoding, so you are wrong on that point.

Who encodes 24/7? Or when you said I was "wrong on that point", what point were you talking about?

 

[USER8000]

The worst thing,is that people still went for socket 1366 Core i7 CPUs for gaming rigs,overclocked to their limits ,even when the socket 1156 Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs did the same job,tended to be cheaper and consumed far less power.

The same is applicable to the socket 2011 Core i7 3820,which is beaten in both speed and power consumption by an IB Core i7 even when both are overclocked. People are still going for these for gaming rigs.

 

[Phynaz]

Lets go back a bit.

I said:
No CPU actually runs at the rated maximum wattage 24/7.

Then you said:


Who encodes 24/7? Or when you said I was "wrong on that point", what point were you talking about?

I do and so have many others here. I've done 40 hour encodes. How about people that run DC projects?

Your personal use case does not define the world of personal computing.

So yes, you are wrong that an 8350 will not pull 140W 24x7. It certainly can and does. I assume you missed the thread about MSI confirming this?

 

[Chiropteran]

I do and so have many others here. I've done 40 hour encodes.

I guess you don't understand what 24/7 means. A 40 hour encode is not 24/7 encoding.

How about people that run DC projects?

Obviously those people don't give a flying hoot about power consumption. Or rather, the blame of high power consumption is entirely on the distributed computing, not the choice of an AMD or Intel CPU.

 

[mrmt]

Ignorance is bliss but that won't prevent you from inheriting the world you deserve (and had a hand in creating).

I guess that only when energy fares double or triple in the USA people will care about power consumption there.

It was the same with gas. Only when prices went up the auto companies started to field more efficient cars.

 

[Phynaz]

power consumption shouldn't be the number one criteria to classify a high performance CPU.

There we go, you are telling somebody that their criteria for choosing a particular CPU is wrong! You certainly aren't lacking in hubris. Anyway, who said power consumption should be the number one criteria? A 3770K will outperform a 8350K, use less power, and over its lifetime cost less to own (TCO).

Check it out, Road Runner is being retired because it uses too much power. And what bigger enthusiasts are there than scientists with government funding?

 

[Phynaz]

I guess you don't understand what 24/7 means. A 40 hour encode is not 24/7 encoding.

I guess you don't understand when I said I have done it. Geez is it really that difficult?

I think we're done here.

 

[Phynaz]

I guess that only when energy fares double or triple in the USA people will care about power consumption there.

That's pretty much it. It's also the only way you are going to see adoption of alternative energy sources. Joe Public just doesn't care as long as it's cheap.