Does anyone know how to forgive?

[justoh]

A jerk is someone you contempt.
It's a conclusion of what makes one contemptuous.

Just analyze any scenario in which the word "jerk" is used for contempt and you will see that it is universally the result of The Golden Rule being broken, even when it's between friends and the result of a friendly prank which did not end the friendship.

so part of some strange, elaborate, inductive argument and not *really* the "very definition" of a jerk, then?

 

[MongGrel]

Let's say you kill a guy with a hammer over a crack rock. But then years later you completely turn your life around, get a job, and become fully functional. Will you forever be judged for your mistake and be outcast from society? Even though that life is entirely in the past for you, I dont think you'd ever be able to tell anyone about it for fear of judgment.

For starting threads like this ?

Not really.

 

[Rakehellion]

No, it isn't "vague." There is a strict definition: do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Well, no. That's a shitty and self-centered way to see society. It's better to treat someone as they like to be treated, not how you like to be treated.

As for referenced posts, he referenced all of your posts in the lost iPad thread, which he even linked to. Dig your hole deeper, why don't you?

"All of your posts." You're being exceedingly vague again. And since I called you out on your bullshit and you still refused to be communicative, let's also say you're being passive-aggressive, which means I've lost any interest in talking with you.

 

[JEDIYoda]

so where did the concept of Forgiving come from??

 

[Ichinisan]

Rakehellion: Try showing remorse for your shameless stance on the lost iPad, and my opinion of you will change. Admit that sometimes "lost" is actually lost and not necessarily "abandoned."

Or respond in the way a jerk would respond. Your choice.

 

[Ichinisan]

so part of some strange, elaborate, inductive argument and not *really* the "very definition" of a jerk, then?

You can argue semantics if you want. I don't want to. If a man treats other people in a way that he himself doesn't want to be treated, he is a jerk. A man who does that may think he's special and deserves better treatment than he gives to others. That's selfish, entitled, and frankly a jerk way to behave.

 

[CZroe]

so part of some strange, elaborate, inductive argument and not *really* the "very definition" of a jerk, then?

Not if you speak English and understand that there are many ways to say the same thing.

Define "idiot." If I say "a person lacking common sense" or "a person who is not very smart," am I wrong just because define: google doesn't mention "smart" or "common sense?"

Well, no. That's a shitty and self-centered way to see society. It's better to treat someone as they like to be treated, not how you like to be treated.

Which *gasp* is exactly how YOU'D like to be treated! Mind = BLOWN

"All of your posts." You're being exceedingly vague again. And since I called you out on your bullshit and you still refused to be communicative, let's also say you're being passive-aggressive, which means I've lost any interest in talking with you.

You can't be serious. What would posesses you to leave off the part that specifies and then claim that it wasn't specific? Next up: "No, not a specific collection of posts on one subject. Tell me a specific post." then "Still not specific enough. Give me an actual word!" followed by "STILL not specific enough! I want a single letter of the alphabet!"

 

[mammador]

You can't control the thoughts/feelings of others....

if they want to scorn you for a bad act long ago, so be it.

Either move away, or suck it up and still do a good job.

 

[Rakehellion]

You can't be serious. What would posesses you to leave off the part that specifies and then claim that it wasn't specific? Next up: "No, not a specific collection of posts on one subject. Tell me a specific post." then "Still not specific enough. Give me an actual word!" followed by "STILL not specific enough! I want a single letter of the alphabet!"

Shut up, wise and beautiful woman. You can boil it down to a single concept if you give a damn. I'm not reading an entire thread because you're too lazy to paraphrase.

 

[Rakehellion]

You can't control the thoughts/feelings of others....

if they want to scorn you for a bad act long ago, so be it.

Either move away, or suck it up and still do a good job.

Yeah, but I'd like to understand the reasoning behind it. Because I care. <3 <3 <3

 

[CZroe]

Shut up, wise and beautiful woman. You can boil it down to a single concept if you give a damn. I'm not reading an entire thread because you're too lazy to paraphrase.

Oh, don't tell me you forgot. Pretending to be ignorant is a child's game. The single concept was your support of "finders, keepers." You supported it even for someone else's iPad ENGRAVED with their identity. BTW, name-calling is against the rules, jerk (who is a confirmed an actual jerk).
-CZroe, who is confirmed NOT an actual wise and beautiful woman

 

[brianmanahan]

class, this is a grade A trollthread! let's look at some of the defining features:


1. polarizing and controversial topic - check!
- this will draw the masses in.

2. asking for input - check!
- this will cause the masses to reply to your thread.
- a troll thread can't possibly work if nobody's responding!

3. blunt and dismissive demeanor - check!
- this is tricky to achieve in a convincing way, but necessary to ensure maximum trolldom.
- the key is to take all that input you asked for, and negate it. question it, dismiss it, reject it, belittle it, even trash it if you want to have some fun! this will make everyone angry, and that's the point of a trollthread, isn't it?
- you may need to ramp up your bluntness over time to keep the thread going. this requires some experimentation in just how fast to turn up the dial. you can't just start off turned up to 11.
- if you can't find a way to negate a point, your only choice is to ignore it. OP has wisely done this with several responses that would be difficult to handle.

4. plausible premise - check!
- your thread has to match your persona. to thine own self be true, amirite?
- this gets harder the longer you post in a forum. consider creating new accounts occasionally to start fresh.
- if you step too far outside the boundaries of your persona, your thread will be dismissed as a troll thread, and people will stop contributing.
- you can't let that happen! you mustn't!

5. flexible ambiguity - check!
- ambiguity allows you to change your so-called "position" so that you can disagree with everyone simultaneously.
- ambiguity is the best weapon of a master class troll!
- with enough practice, you will be able to disagree with people who disagree with each other.


next week's assignment is to read through this thread all the way to the painful, brilliant end, and then write an essay about the OP thread response that you feel was the most trolliest.

oh, and you can get 5 bonus points if you correctly guess whether or not it will eventually get locked.

class dismissed!

 

[Ichinisan]

...

Nailed it.

 

[Ichinisan]

People who get on their moral high horse while simultaneously slinging insults. Hypocrites to the core.

Shut up, wise and beautiful woman.

:hmm:

 

[Rakehellion]

Oh, don't tell me you forgot.

I don't remember every thread I've made a post in, sugartits. If you don't have enough respect for yourself to make an argument, then don't bring it up at all.

 

[MongGrel]

I don't remember every thread I've made a post in, sugartits. If you don't have enough respect for yourself to make an argument, then don't bring it up at all.

Are you seriously just going for a "how abusive can I be and get away with it" trophy at this point ?

 

[Rakehellion]

Sure, why not? I'm a little drunk and have no patience for passive-aggressive hypocrites.

 

[brianmanahan]

Are you seriously just going for a "how abusive can I be and get away with it" trophy at this point ?

once the insults start flying, the dial has been turned up to 11

 

[Ichinisan]

hypocrites.

:hmm:

 

[lyssword]

Never forgive a person too soon, specially one who blames everyone for his actions and sees no difference between speeding ticket and murder. And troll banned in 3.. 2..

 

[darkxshade]

My immediate response would be to judge because I don't know the guy and I can't be certain I can trust that he's turned his life around. No amount of words could convince me until I've(for reasons beyond me) spent enough time getting to know them personally.

And I've judged people for a lot less with my initial impression.

 

[Rakehellion]

no difference between speeding ticket and murder.

That wasn't the point they were trying to make at all.

You are a sad, sad man. So, if I speed, just 1mph over the limit, I can never be forgiven?

Wait, that's silly. I'm sure there is a scale involved here. Can you please point out the point on the scale where society isn't allow to forgive.

1mph speeder--------------------------------------mass murderer.

Looks like they were trying to find out where the arbitrary line is drawn between forgivable and unforgivable trespasses.

 

[justoh]

Not if you speak English and understand that there are many ways to say the same thing.

Define "idiot." If I say "a person lacking common sense" or "a person who is not very smart," am I wrong just because define: google doesn't mention "smart" or "common sense?"

you were referencing your opinion as being "the very definition," when it wasn't. Then you act indignant about it. The very definition of being a jerk.

 

[Rakehellion]

you were referencing your opinion as being "the very definition," when it wasn't. Then you act indignant about it. The very definition of being a jerk.

Oh snap!

 

[Ichinisan]

you were referencing your opinion as being "the very definition," when it wasn't. Then you act indignant about it. The very definition of being a jerk.

Do you have any examples of someone being a jerk without violating the golden rule?