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Originally posted by: KMFJD
Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Originally posted by: pcnerd37
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
No, I certainly would not tip in that situation. Tipping is and always should be based on performance.
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Exactly. Isn't that the beauty of tipping? If nobody tipped, expect poor service everywhere you go. There is no "moving up" in the waitress world, so the only real incentive is to tip to keep them working hard.
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Service has been fine for me in countries that do not have a tipping culture.
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Most people here have no real idea. Probably half those posting about lousy tipping still have mom or dad covering their meals.

Tipping for service is a given. A better tip is warranted for extraordinary service based on the typical level you should get. People are ignorant to expect getting the same service at a Fridays with a waiter covering several tables than a 5 star restaurant with several waiters covering one table. The food costs adjust the tip amounts accordingly. These same types of people go into a restaurant with a free meal coupon and figure the tip is free too.
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Bull.. Think about this - they get paid $2 an hour and the rest of their income is tip. I've worked jobs for $38 / hour and have had bad days - did I expect my boss to say "eh.. Your service sucked this hour so you're not going to get paid." When I get bad service I give 10%, just because THAT'S ALL THEY GET PAID and people are allowed to have bad hours or even days. If I return to a spot and the waiter continually sucks, I have no problem requesting another server.
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The classic response to this is very simple: No one is forcing them to work that job. Their tips will be based on performance. If they don't perform well, they don't get tipped well. I can't fathom why people have a hard time understanding that.
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No one is forcing anyone to do any job. If it weren't for waiters; we have to get our own food.

That is about as ignorant a statement as anyone could make.

 
Originally posted by: Pacemaker
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Bull.. Think about this - they get paid $2 an hour and the rest of their income is tip. I've worked jobs for $38 / hour and have had bad days - did I expect my boss to say "eh.. Your service sucked this hour so you're not going to get paid." When I get bad service I give 10%, just because THAT'S ALL THEY GET PAID and people are allowed to have bad hours or even days. If I return to a spot and the waiter continually sucks, I have no problem requesting another server.
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The classic response to this is very simple: No one is forcing them to work that job. Their tips will be based on performance. If they don't perform well, they don't get tipped well. I can't fathom why people have a hard time understanding that.
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QFT

If you are so bad at being a server that you can't even make 5 bucks an hour (in tips) on a bad day then you need to find a new job. Possibly something you are good at. I have never worked as a server, but from talking to friends of mine who have they would easily make 15 dollars per hour in tips when the place was mostly empty and as high as 50 per hour when the place was packed. Servers aren't hurting for cash and if you tip poor service you are not doing the server any favors.

However, pizza delivery (A job I have done) should have a 1 dollar minimum tip to cover gas even if the service is bad (read late, which most of the time isn't the drivers fault anyway). After all the guy shouldn't leave your house with less money than he started with regardless of how late he is.
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I think most of you are comparing part time staff covering slammed times vs a full time waiter that needs a full 40 hours a week to make it.

I know a lot of pizza and chinese food drivers that worked the hot Friday/Saturday 5-10pm shifts and banked about $50-75 per hour at times. However, someone was still working the slow shifts that amounted to $3-4/hr mostly sitting around.
 
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Bull.. Think about this - they get paid $2 an hour and the rest of their income is tip. I've worked jobs for $38 / hour and have had bad days - did I expect my boss to say "eh.. Your service sucked this hour so you're not going to get paid." When I get bad service I give 10%, just because THAT'S ALL THEY GET PAID and people are allowed to have bad hours or even days. If I return to a spot and the waiter continually sucks, I have no problem requesting another server.
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$38/hour is nothing to brag about.

ESPECIALLY in NYC, where you are supposedly from.
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Two problems with your post.

1) He wasn't bragging he was stating something...obviously that struck a nerve with you.

2) $38/hr is not a bad wage anywhere. You may not be living in a penthouse. It's the same as people that say $750k is nothing for a house here...yet at the same time they are living in something a lot less.

 
Have there been any studies as to what food prices would be like if instead of paying tips, restaurants all over decided to pay a legitimate hourly wage for food services? What would be the price of that hamburger if all waiters and waitresses were paid a more appropriate amount?
 
In the past I have tended to repeatedly patronize a select few establishments in my community. As a consequence, I inevitably develop a rapport with the wait staff, and I tip generously as a means of accelerating that rapport's development. Once it has been established that I am a regular customer and a good tipper, I consistently receive superb service -- including lots of things comp'd. In the end, it is worth it to me, because I'm always treated with great consideration. It comes in especially handy when taking a girl out on a date, as a matter of fact. I've gotten a free bottle of wine, compliments of the manager, for example.
 
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Have there been any studies as to what food prices would be like if instead of paying tips, restaurants all over decided to pay a legitimate hourly wage for food services? What would be the price of that hamburger if all waiters and waitresses were paid a more appropriate amount?
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There have been studies and most have shown restaurants that did that would lose a lot of business as well as service would decline for what would be a realistic wage for many servers.

There is no way to get everyone to change at the same time. There are some restaurants though that tipping is not expected and advertized as such.

The tip system doesn't really need to be changed. Those that are cheap need to change their ways and be thankful they didn't have to pay top dollar for the food.

The major problem that most people have is they think the tip is only for superb service. The tip is just for the service itself, 15% is considered what's polite for average service.

Most of the people that have a problem with that though are the ones that shouldn't be eating out anyways, living beyond their means.
 
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Bull.. Think about this - they get paid $2 an hour and the rest of their income is tip. I've worked jobs for $38 / hour and have had bad days - did I expect my boss to say "eh.. Your service sucked this hour so you're not going to get paid." When I get bad service I give 10%, just because THAT'S ALL THEY GET PAID and people are allowed to have bad hours or even days. If I return to a spot and the waiter continually sucks, I have no problem requesting another server.
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$38/hour is nothing to brag about.

ESPECIALLY in NYC, where you are supposedly from.
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are you out of your ****** head? that's $76k a year, way above what the median is in my area.
 
Originally posted by: Garth
In the past I have tended to repeatedly patronize a select few establishments in my community. As a consequence, I inevitably develop a rapport with the wait staff, and I tip generously as a means of accelerating that rapport's development. Once it has been established that I am a regular customer and a good tipper, I consistently receive superb service -- including lots of things comp'd. In the end, it is worth it to me, because I'm always treated with great consideration. It comes in especially handy when taking a girl out on a date, as a matter of fact. I've gotten a free bottle of wine, compliments of the manager, for example.
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And we have a winner!!! :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Bull.. Think about this - they get paid $2 an hour and the rest of their income is tip. I've worked jobs for $38 / hour and have had bad days - did I expect my boss to say "eh.. Your service sucked this hour so you're not going to get paid." When I get bad service I give 10%, just because THAT'S ALL THEY GET PAID and people are allowed to have bad hours or even days. If I return to a spot and the waiter continually sucks, I have no problem requesting another server.
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$38/hour is nothing to brag about.

ESPECIALLY in NYC, where you are supposedly from.
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are you out of your ****** head? that's $76k a year, way above what the median is in my area.
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$76k is not chump change anywhere. Usually it's the people that have no idea of what real income is that make statements that income like that is nothing.

You may not be able to afford a mansion, but $76k should get you a decent place to live within a 10 mile radius of where you'd love to live probably.
 
I'm more responsible than 80% of the servers out there. I really wish I could go to the kitchen and get the food and refill my drinks myself.

Chinese Buffet FTW!!!
 
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Bull.. Think about this - they get paid $2 an hour and the rest of their income is tip. I've worked jobs for $38 / hour and have had bad days - did I expect my boss to say "eh.. Your service sucked this hour so you're not going to get paid." When I get bad service I give 10%, just because THAT'S ALL THEY GET PAID and people are allowed to have bad hours or even days. If I return to a spot and the waiter continually sucks, I have no problem requesting another server.
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$38/hour is nothing to brag about.

ESPECIALLY in NYC, where you are supposedly from.
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I wasn't bragging. I was saying that I was getting paid far more than waiters do but still had bad days when my output wasn't 100%. I'm sure you have as well. I just think it's unfair to say that a persons job was mediocre for that segment in time and then punish them by paying them nothing. 10% says "you should have done better" while also allowing them to.. You know.. Pay rent and live, so that your tax dollars don't have to pay their rent.
 
I waited tables to get through college. Its a crappy job and your always caught in the middle. (between what customers want and what management will allow) I got paid $2.13 an hour and that only covered my taxes so I never actually saw a check from the restaurant. Tips were my life, but I always gave good service because i always needed as big a tip as I could possibly get.

You can make some pretty good money waiting tables if you get into the right restaurant and you get the right shifts, (at one point I was making $200-$250 a night) but when you get crappy shifts or things slow down its not even worth your gas money to go to work some days. My record lowest amount made working a shift was $7 for 4 hour shift. Taxes are based on your sales for the day not on what you make for tips so if lots of cheap asses eat lunch and don't tip you basically work for free.
 
Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
Here is what happened:

Went to restaurant with friend
Order food
She got my order wrong (asked for no onions)
She hot his order wrong (asked for half a sandwich got a whole) It looked like it would be half a club so he ate it anyway
She brought the check, We wanted it split and she charged my friend for the full price.
She went back and corrected the amount but did not split it
We wait for like 20 mins each time she leaves
Eventually have to get another waitress to split the check for us.
we are like 1 of 3 groups there...her only table.


I got the split bill and didn't tip cause she wasted my time, didn't get the order right, and was rude. I forgot my cell phone and went back to get it. She came back handed it to me and said THANK YOU in such a bitchy way it was impressive.

Do you guys always tip? I've had bad experiences before where the waiter was rude and I didn't want to tip but my brother did for me anyway. Why tip of they aren't going to do their job right...its not charity.

EDIT: Yes I have worked in the food industry before and have served people.
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Screw em. Bad/Rude Service = No Tip.
On the flip side, nothing wrong with tipping extra if you feel the service is extraordinary.

If you're a waiter/waitress, hey, it's your job, you should know that tips are your bread+butter, and if you want $$ than the rest is all up to you. If you don't like the system, get a damn job working 12-hour shifts cranking out widgets.
 
Do I tip? No, unless I get really exceptional service. Tipping in Australia is usually really rare, and not a customary habit.
 
Screw em. Bad/Rude Service = No Tip.
On the flip side, nothing wrong with tipping extra if you feel the service is extraordinary.

If you're a waiter/waitress, hey, it's your job, you should know that tips are your bread+butter, and if you want $$ than the rest is all up to you. If you don't like the system, get a damn job working 12-hour shifts cranking out widgets.
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I can agree with this statement, but some people no matter how hard you try will not tip or leave a VERY crappy tip (5% or less).

IMO if you plan to go out to a restaurant that has waiters you should be prepared to tip 15-20% unless the waiter gives pretty crappy service. You would be surprised at how many people do not tip even when service is very good.

 
Originally posted by: jackace
Screw em. Bad/Rude Service = No Tip.
On the flip side, nothing wrong with tipping extra if you feel the service is extraordinary.

If you're a waiter/waitress, hey, it's your job, you should know that tips are your bread+butter, and if you want $$ than the rest is all up to you. If you don't like the system, get a damn job working 12-hour shifts cranking out widgets.
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I can agree with this statement, but some people no matter how hard you try will not tip or leave a VERY crappy tip (5% or less).

IMO if you plan to go out to a restaurant that has waiters you should be prepared to tip 15-20% unless the waiter gives pretty crappy service. You would be surprised at how many people do not tip even when service is very good.
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Whether or not to tip also depends on what country you're in. I agree it's the "right" thing to do if you're in a country where it's common, but of course not everyone follows the unwritten rules of social etiquette. If you're a waiter/waitress though, might as well swing for the fences every chance you get.
 
Believe me most servers put out great service, because they know it directly affects how much money they make. There are bad apples though. Most of them don't last more then a few weeks though because they make no money. My entire basis has been the U.S. I know in Australia servers don't get tips, but they make $12-$15 an hour (atleast thats what my brother made there in 2001-2003) compared to a U.S. server making $2.13 an hour. BIG difference!!!

Like the person above posted as long as you can tell the server is trying their best (lots of things are out of their control) to server you they deserve the tip. If they are rude or make some really stupid mistakes then I can see you being upset and not leaving a full tip if a tip at all.
 
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