Do you think less of somone who does not have a degree?

[KevinCU]

I don't think any less of a person because they don't have a degree. However, I will initially think a little more of someone who managed to graduate with what I think of as a respectable degree(engineering, chemistry, physics, mathematics, biology, etc).

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: BoomerD
No, No.

A degre doesn't make you anything special...you just have a bit more "book schooling" as compared to "life schooling," which, depending on the industry, COULD be more valuable.

That is a false choice, imo college educated people have far superior 'life schooling' as well.

I worked construction for 30+ years and made an average of $85K over the past 10 years...with a GED.


I tend to judge people by their character and work ethic, not their education level.

Some of the stupidest people I've ever known had college degrees...a couple had master's degrees...and were so fucking dumb (in real-life metrics) that they could barely walk and chew gum.

No siree...a college education doesn't make you anything special.

I know lots of people who don't have college degrees and cans walk or chew gum.

...or spell apparently.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: BoomerD
No, No.

A degre doesn't make you anything special...you just have a bit more "book schooling" as compared to "life schooling," which, depending on the industry, COULD be more valuable.

That is a false choice, imo college educated people have far superior 'life schooling' as well.

I worked construction for 30+ years and made an average of $85K over the past 10 years...with a GED.


I tend to judge people by their character and work ethic, not their education level.

Some of the stupidest people I've ever known had college degrees...a couple had master's degrees...and were so fucking dumb (in real-life metrics) that they could barely walk and chew gum.

No siree...a college education doesn't make you anything special.

I know lots of people who don't have college degrees and cans walk or chew gum.

...or spell apparently.

AND, on top of the spalleng errer, he made my point for me. Havenk a koledge dee-gree don't make a persun antheng speshul...

Far too often, I meet kids who are only going to school because their parents have told them to "Go to school...or get a job."

IMO, common sense is far more valuable in life than "book lernin," even though many jobs require a degree to push papers that need no special education to understand. :roll:

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
People without a college degree are worthless.

Sarcasm Jules? Seriously? (I hope not).

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Cogman
Strangely enough, if someone doesn't have a degree I don't think less of them, however, there are some degrees that cause me to think less of a person for getting them. (Liberal Arts, I'm looking directly at you). If you get a degree, get one that will benefit you in the future, not one that is a waste of money.

That's a wee bit arrogant.

Who are you to judge what somebody chooses to get a degree in or otherwise how it will benefit them?

Yep, it is a bit arrogant. However, my view on the value of a degree (and person) is based on what that person can contribute to society. If you do crap your entire life that has little to no benefit to those around you then what are you worth to anyone else?

Great, your major teaches you how to hang glide, now what benefit is that to me or someone else?

How is someone that basically can't do anything more with their lives after a degree any better then someone that never gets a degree in the first place?

 

[BoberFett]

I don't have a degree, but everyone who works for me does.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Cogman
Strangely enough, if someone doesn't have a degree I don't think less of them, however, there are some degrees that cause me to think less of a person for getting them. (Liberal Arts, I'm looking directly at you). If you get a degree, get one that will benefit you in the future, not one that is a waste of money.

That's a wee bit arrogant.

Who are you to judge what somebody chooses to get a degree in or otherwise how it will benefit them?

Yep, it is a bit arrogant. However, my view on the value of a degree (and person) is based on what that person can contribute to society. If you do crap your entire life that has little to no benefit to those around you then what are you worth to anyone else?

Great, your major teaches you how to hang glide, now what benefit is that to me or someone else?

How is someone that basically can't do anything more with their lives after a degree any better then someone that never gets a degree in the first place?

Let's see...Liberal arts majors often go into education...teachers, professors, etc.
Are THOSE worthless degrees for them? Do they contribute to society?

I'm constantly amazed at the "degree snobbery" that goes on in these forums...

"My degree is better than your degree! That makes me a better person!"

Some people don't want to become engineers. I couldn't if I wanted to. I don't relate to the "Fuzzy Math" that's needed to do it. (fuzzy math = any math problem that involves letters and squiggly lines)

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
not having a degree means 1 of 2 things:

you were too stupid to get a degree

you were too much of a fuckup to get a degree

or both

Spoken like an educated man! :roll:

miketheidiot doesn't even know how to use punctuation or the shift key. Ever. It is amusing to see him attempt to belittle others.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
not having a degree means 1 of 2 things:

you were too stupid to get a degree

you were too much of a fuckup to get a degree

or both

Spoken like an educated man! :roll:

Ahem, notice his screen name.

very original, i swear that i've never heard of this before.

and for you two beacons of wisdom, how am i wrong?

modern society places alot of emphasis on education and it shows in the amount of income that those peope earn above then mean than the average people. In such a society, why woudl an intelligent person not go to college? Having a college degree my not always mean much, especially your community college degrees, but no having a college degree says alot about what people should expect from you.

If you have a degree, it doesn't show. I have yet to see anything of intelligence come from a single one of your posts.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Cogman
Strangely enough, if someone doesn't have a degree I don't think less of them, however, there are some degrees that cause me to think less of a person for getting them. (Liberal Arts, I'm looking directly at you). If you get a degree, get one that will benefit you in the future, not one that is a waste of money.

That's a wee bit arrogant.

Who are you to judge what somebody chooses to get a degree in or otherwise how it will benefit them?

Yep, it is a bit arrogant. However, my view on the value of a degree (and person) is based on what that person can contribute to society. If you do crap your entire life that has little to no benefit to those around you then what are you worth to anyone else?

Great, your major teaches you how to hang glide, now what benefit is that to me or someone else?

How is someone that basically can't do anything more with their lives after a degree any better then someone that never gets a degree in the first place?

Let's see...Liberal arts majors often go into education...teachers, professors, etc.
Are THOSE worthless degrees for them? Do they contribute to society?

I'm constantly amazed at the "degree snobbery" that goes on in these forums...

"My degree is better than your degree! That makes me a better person!"

Some people don't want to become engineers. I couldn't if I wanted to. I don't relate to the "Fuzzy Math" that's needed to do it. (fuzzy math = any math problem that involves letters and squiggly lines)

Great, now we know who to blame the failing school system on!

So you have a degree who's only worth is that you have to get ANOTHER degree to teach your field (an education degree for highschool level) or you can teach at a college level the same degree that you have. Yeah, that sounds way useful to me...

You know what we have way too much of. People in society that are too afraid to tell someone that "Hey you are wasting your life away." because we have to make every happy about every decision they make, even if it sucks.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: BoomerD
No, No.

A degre doesn't make you anything special...you just have a bit more "book schooling" as compared to "life schooling," which, depending on the industry, COULD be more valuable.

That is a false choice, imo college educated people have far superior 'life schooling' as well.

I worked construction for 30+ years and made an average of $85K over the past 10 years...with a GED.


I tend to judge people by their character and work ethic, not their education level.

Some of the stupidest people I've ever known had college degrees...a couple had master's degrees...and were so fucking dumb (in real-life metrics) that they could barely walk and chew gum.

No siree...a college education doesn't make you anything special.

I know lots of people who don't have college degrees and cans walk or chew gum.

And yet they can still probably spell and type better than you.

I have a hard time believing you graduated from high school, much less college.

 

[bluestrobe]

I don't view people any differently with a degree or not. I have met several people with degrees who are about as ignorant as someone without one. People/companies in this day and age hold college degrees a little higher in the experience market than they should and it shows. More than once I've had to explain the difference between a USB port compared to a PS/2 port to someone with a master's degree in Computer Science fresh out of school. The discrimination within the commercial sector on degrees is making me a little more jaded on the subject than before.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Cogman


Great, now we know who to blame the failing school system on!

So you have a degree who's only worth is that you have to get ANOTHER degree to teach your field (an education degree for highschool level) or you can teach at a college level the same degree that you have. Yeah, that sounds way useful to me...

You know what we have way too much of. People in society that are too afraid to tell someone that "Hey you are wasting your life away." because we have to make every happy about every decision they make, even if it sucks.

There it is. Blame the "failing school system" on the teachers, instead of on the kids who are more involved with their cell phones and iPods than they are on learning...or on the parents who don't give a shit about the school system except in its duty as a babysitter while they are at work...

How is getting a teaching degree on top of another degree really any different than getting a Masters Degree to work in a field?

Hell, even the Community Colleges here in Kahleeforneeya require Master's Degrees to teach. (AFAIK, the only exception to that is that folks with CPA's and CMA's are allowed to teach accounting courses...the extra education that's involved with getting certified is considered comparable to a Master's...yet many of my professors hold Doctorates, or are in Doctorate programs.)

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Upon further reflection, I guess I tend towards Cogman's views albeit for different reasons. I'm a Chef and my entire industry is controlled by people who do not have degrees in any food service related fields. In fact, those of us who do are slightly looked down upon as "foodies."

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Cogman


Great, now we know who to blame the failing school system on!

So you have a degree who's only worth is that you have to get ANOTHER degree to teach your field (an education degree for highschool level) or you can teach at a college level the same degree that you have. Yeah, that sounds way useful to me...

You know what we have way too much of. People in society that are too afraid to tell someone that "Hey you are wasting your life away." because we have to make every happy about every decision they make, even if it sucks.

There it is. Blame the "failing school system" on the teachers, instead of on the kids who are more involved with their cell phones and iPods than they are on learning...or on the parents who don't give a shit about the school system except in its duty as a babysitter while they are at work...

How is getting a teaching degree on top of another degree really any different than getting a Masters Degree to work in a field?

Hell, even the Community Colleges here in Kahleeforneeya require Master's Degrees to teach. (AFAIK, the only exception to that is that folks with CPA's and CMA's are allowed to teach accounting courses...the extra education that's involved with getting certified is considered comparable to a Master's...yet many of my professors hold Doctorates, or are in Doctorate programs.)

For your first paragraph, it is a moot point really. I actually agree with most of what you said.

However, how is it different then getting a masters? Simple. If you get a masters and can go to work in that field that you have a masters in, then obviously your degree has some value outside of the teaching environment. However, if you get a degree who's only value is that you have to get another degree in order to teach more kids to have a degree in what you have. Well, that seems pretty worthless to me.

A degree in education isn't worthless. However, a degree in education to teach worthless subjects is.

Honestly, there aren't a whole lot of majors that I view as worthless, just a select few. (Some might find music, art, or english majors worthless, I don't. I see the value in having these things in society). However, some degrees really don't give a whole lot of benefit to anyone else.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Cogman
Strangely enough, if someone doesn't have a degree I don't think less of them, however, there are some degrees that cause me to think less of a person for getting them. (Liberal Arts, I'm looking directly at you). If you get a degree, get one that will benefit you in the future, not one that is a waste of money.

That's a wee bit arrogant.

Who are you to judge what somebody chooses to get a degree in or otherwise how it will benefit them?

Yep, it is a bit arrogant. However, my view on the value of a degree (and person) is based on what that person can contribute to society. If you do crap your entire life that has little to no benefit to those around you then what are you worth to anyone else?

Great, your major teaches you how to hang glide, now what benefit is that to me or someone else?

How is someone that basically can't do anything more with their lives after a degree any better then someone that never gets a degree in the first place?

Let's see...Liberal arts majors often go into education...teachers, professors, etc.
Are THOSE worthless degrees for them? Do they contribute to society?

I'm constantly amazed at the "degree snobbery" that goes on in these forums...

"My degree is better than your degree! That makes me a better person!"

Some people don't want to become engineers. I couldn't if I wanted to. I don't relate to the "Fuzzy Math" that's needed to do it. (fuzzy math = any math problem that involves letters and squiggly lines)

Great, now we know who to blame the failing school system on!

So you have a degree who's only worth is that you have to get ANOTHER degree to teach your field (an education degree for highschool level) or you can teach at a college level the same degree that you have. Yeah, that sounds way useful to me...

You know what we have way too much of. People in society that are too afraid to tell someone that "Hey you are wasting your life away." because we have to make every happy about every decision they make, even if it sucks.

Wow, I can not tell if you are ignorant and just outright stupid. It is mind-boggling that you somehow have this screwed-up notation that you can justify your judgement regarding the usefulness of somebody's degree. To begin with it is quite obvious that you do not even understand the concept of a "liberal" arts education. If you simply understood that concept then you would not likely be making bone-headed posts.

Originally posted by: Cogman


However, how is it different then getting a masters? Simple. If you get a masters and can go to work in that field that you have a masters in, then obviously your degree has some value outside of the teaching environment. However, if you get a degree who's only value is that you have to get another degree in order to teach more kids to have a degree in what you have. Well, that seems pretty worthless to me.

A degree in education isn't worthless. However, a degree in education to teach worthless subjects is.

Honestly, there aren't a whole lot of majors that I view as worthless, just a select few. (Some might find music, art, or english majors worthless, I don't. I see the value in having these things in society). However, some degrees really don't give a whole lot of benefit to anyone else.

You inane judgements about "worthless subjects" or lack "of benefit to anyone else" speaks volumes about your maturity or otherwise your lack of higher-level cognitive thinking. If, heaven forbid, you do have a college degree I think it is safe to say that you are one of those people who are college educated yet as dumb as a doornail.

Finally did it ever dawn on you that sometimes people like to learn just for the sake of learning?

 

[wwswimming]

the best engineer i've ever worked with had a Bachelor's.

some of the best animators have no degrees at all.

the most dishonest people i've met & read about are, for the most
part, highly degreed.

 

[Imdmn04]

I love it when everybody brings out the "I know such and such is a very successful person without a degree" or "look at Bill Gates" lines.

There are lots of successful people without a degree, but there are WAY more successful people WITH degrees.

Bill Gates should not be your excuse to not go to college, the guy was Harvard material, he CHOSE not to finish. When people that don't even have the motivation to go to community college compares themselves to Bill Gates, it is laughable. Pretty much everybody on the Fortune list is an exception to the rule, otherwise they wouldn't be on the damn list in the first place.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: sdifox
What is this, the 60s? All a degree proves is you were able to graduate from university.

And that proves alot, at least relative to those that weren't able to do it.

err, nope, it proves you can handle school, that is all it means. Has very little relevance in real life.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04

I love it when everybody brings out the "I know such and such is a very successful person without a degree" or "look at Bill Gates" lines.

There are lots of successful people without a degree, but there are WAY more successful people WITH degrees.

Bill Gates should not be your excuse to not go to college, the guy was Harvard material, he CHOSE not to finish. When people that don't even have the motivation to go to community college compares themselves to Bill Gates, it is laughable. Pretty much everybody on the Fortune list is an exception to the rule, otherwise they wouldn't be on the damn list in the first place.

We are not talking about successes or failures are we? I swear most of the people I know (from my year) that got a degree are complete idiots.

 

[imported_Imp]

On the surface, yes I do think less of someone without a degree. With parents telling me my whole life that you need school, and everyone including teachers saying you need good grades, respect the people with the best grades/credentials, that's no surprise.

Realistically, no. Some people just didn't want to go, and are just as cool or good a person. Most of the people I know have degrees, and those ranks are filled with asswipes, idiots and retards. The same can be said for those without them. So, it all comes down to character.

 

[gorcorps]

I do form a small opinion of somebody's intelligence on having a degree. But by talking to people and getting to know them I have a better idea of their intelligence, etc. I know totally dipshits that are getting their degree, and have very smart friends who never went to school after HS.

 

[Imdmn04]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Imdmn04

I love it when everybody brings out the "I know such and such is a very successful person without a degree" or "look at Bill Gates" lines.

There are lots of successful people without a degree, but there are WAY more successful people WITH degrees.

Bill Gates should not be your excuse to not go to college, the guy was Harvard material, he CHOSE not to finish. When people that don't even have the motivation to go to community college compares themselves to Bill Gates, it is laughable. Pretty much everybody on the Fortune list is an exception to the rule, otherwise they wouldn't be on the damn list in the first place.

We are not talking about successes or failures are we? I swear most of the people I know (from my year) that got a degree are complete idiots.

All I know is that a lot of no-degree people have a chip on their shoulder and constantly tries to validate themselves by comparing themselves to degree holders that also happen to be idiots.

There are idiots without degree and there are idiots with a degree. Why don't the no-degree people compare themselves to the successful people with degrees? Why always compare yourself to the idiots who are easy targets?

 

[nerp]

A degree shows people that you were able to party when you were young without wasting years of your life doing nothing.

 

[AreaCode707]

Only when the lack of degree is matched by an equal lack of skill, motivation and experience.

If I'm talking to two coworkers, one with a degree and one without, I do not regard them differently at all.