Do you think less of somone who does not have a degree?

[nerp]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: sdifox
What is this, the 60s? All a degree proves is you were able to graduate from university.

And that proves alot, at least relative to those that weren't able to do it.

err, nope, it proves you can handle school, that is all it means. Has very little relevance in real life.

If real life is fixing cars, maybe.

 

[arcenite]

No. Not everyone has the same ambitions as I do.

Bill Gates anyone?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: sdifox
What is this, the 60s? All a degree proves is you were able to graduate from university.

And that proves alot, at least relative to those that weren't able to do it.

err, nope, it proves you can handle school, that is all it means. Has very little relevance in real life.

That is not true at all. As shocking as it may be, people do actually learn material in college. That material can and often is very relevant to "real life." Furthermore the process of learning is very "real" and I fail to understand how you can create differentiate college from "real life." Is college not real?

 

[LtPage1]

Correlation, not causation.

 

[meltdown75]

i went for no and no on this one...

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: arcenite
No. Not everyone has the same ambitions as I do.

Bill Gates anyone?

Bill gates was in a fairly rigorous school and was developing a software company in the 1970s. That's not playing xbox in your jammies and then buying cereal at 7-11 in slippers and flannel pants and then posting on ATOT forums. Bad example.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: sdifox
What is this, the 60s? All a degree proves is you were able to graduate from university.

And that proves alot, at least relative to those that weren't able to do it.

err, nope, it proves you can handle school, that is all it means. Has very little relevance in real life.

That is not true at all. As shocking as it may be, people do actually learn material in college. That material can and often is very relevant to "real life." Furthermore the process of learning is very "real" and I fail to understand how you can create differentiate college from "real life." Is college not real?

All I am saying is the degree only proves you can handle school. We are talking about perceptions here. I am not saying the degree is useless or the person did not learn anything useful. But the only concrete thing is said person got past the courses.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: nerp

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: sdifox
What is this, the 60s? All a degree proves is you were able to graduate from university.

And that proves alot, at least relative to those that weren't able to do it.

err, nope, it proves you can handle school, that is all it means. Has very little relevance in real life.

If real life is fixing cars, maybe.

I think I know a few mechanics with degrees.

 

[theblackbox]

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: sdifox

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: sdifox
What is this, the 60s? All a degree proves is you were able to graduate from university.

And that proves alot, at least relative to those that weren't able to do it.

err, nope, it proves you can handle school, that is all it means. Has very little relevance in real life.

That is not true at all. As shocking as it may be, people do actually learn material in college. That material can and often is very relevant to "real life." Furthermore the process of learning is very "real" and I fail to understand how you can create differentiate college from "real life." Is college not real?

All I am saying is the degree only proves you can handle school. We are talking about perceptions here. I am not saying the degree is useless or the person did not learn anything useful. But the only concrete thing is said person got past the courses.

i know a lot of people that did really well in college, but when they came out, had no clue. in most cases, getting a degree means you were able to go to college, keep it together and get a piece of paper.

i knew too many college graduate officers that really had no clue when it came to real life situations. just because you can read a book, memorize points, take a test doesn't mean you can cut it outside of school.

 

[Drakkon]

I work at a college and have found no matter which level a degree a person can exhibit qualities of those with higher degrees. Most ironic though was a person on our team was told they can't have a lead position because they don't have a PhD (only a masters) by the dept chair. The dept chair only has a masters degree. The dept chair said she was told this by the VP who has a PhD and hired the dept chair.

I much prefer to work with someone that has real life experience as opposed to a PhD. Too many times have i run into the PhD who can quote a buncha names but has never actually practiced what they preached and just ends up looking like more of a tool than a educated person.

 

[sonambulo]

The OP is way too broad, as proven by the ensuing debate. It really boils down to the type of degree and where the degree is from.

 

[Chaotic42]

No, I don't think less of someone without a degree, nor do I think more of someone with a degree (well, maybe a PhD).

I only have an Associate's Degree, not because I'm incapable of doing any better, just because I made some stupid decisions when I was younger. Being almost 27 and having worked in the professional world for seven or eight years, I realize now that a degree is a great thing to have, but it's no assurance of intelligence or capability. In fact, I've noticed, perhaps because bad stands out more than good does, that many people with degrees do worse work than those without.

My guess is that they feel like they don't have to try as hard since school was easy for them. We actually had one woman say she didn't need to document her work procedures because she has her Master's.

While I would like to (and intend to) eventually get a Bachelor's or higher, I don't look at people differently based on their level of "schooling".

 

[GeekDrew]

I've not read the posts so far in this thread; I'm only respond to the OP.

No, I do not think less of someone who does not have a degree.
No, I do not think more of someone who does have a degree.

Yes, I do think more of someone who does not have a degree but that is more successful than their peers that do have degrees.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Bill Gates is laughing at you elitists that answered yes

If someone gets a degree, I respect that that person followed thru and completed the task, which often can be very difficult.

That's not to say that someone without a degree isn't capable or worthy of respect, just that if I know nothing about 2 different people, 1 with a degree and 1 without, the person with a degree gets a slight nod over the other based on that alone. And without a ged, its fair to say I'm not qualified to be a scholarly elitist.

I don't think people are being completely honest. Getting a degree is a very positive thing imo.

Getting a degree CAN be a very positive thing but, I've met too many wastes of space with degrees to give respect based only on a degree.

The degree didn't make them wastes of space (nor does a lack of one), so given that particular person, I think most people would think more of that 'waste of space' with a degree than the same 'waste of space' person not getting it.

Would I think highly of a person who majored in liberal arts, fine arts, or medieval history over someone without a college degree? Absolutely not. Or at least I would hope not.
Those degrees are a waste of space.

Not everyone with a college degree needs to be put on a pedestal.
In fact I think even less for people who majored in liberal arts at private schools with tens of thousands of dollars in student loans only to end up working at a Walmart, Target, or McDonalds as an assistant manager.
You don't need a college degree and tens of thousands of dollars in student loans to be an assistant manager to work in those positions for the companies above and many others like it.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I don't have a degree, but everyone who works for me does.

All the more reason having a degree is important then.
You didn't hire anyone with only a high school diploma.

 

[CFster]

Bill Gates
Larry Ellison
Steve Jobs
Michael Dell

All college drop outs.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: CFster
Bill Gates
Larry Ellison
Steve Jobs
Michael Dell

All college drop outs.

And?

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Wow, I can not tell if you are ignorant and just outright stupid. It is mind-boggling that you somehow have this screwed-up notation that you can justify your judgement regarding the usefulness of somebody's degree. To begin with it is quite obvious that you do not even understand the concept of a "liberal" arts education. If you simply understood that concept then you would not likely be making bone-headed posts.

Originally posted by: Cogman


However, how is it different then getting a masters? Simple. If you get a masters and can go to work in that field that you have a masters in, then obviously your degree has some value outside of the teaching environment. However, if you get a degree who's only value is that you have to get another degree in order to teach more kids to have a degree in what you have. Well, that seems pretty worthless to me.

A degree in education isn't worthless. However, a degree in education to teach worthless subjects is.

Honestly, there aren't a whole lot of majors that I view as worthless, just a select few. (Some might find music, art, or english majors worthless, I don't. I see the value in having these things in society). However, some degrees really don't give a whole lot of benefit to anyone else.

You inane judgements about "worthless subjects" or lack "of benefit to anyone else" speaks volumes about your maturity or otherwise your lack of higher-level cognitive thinking. If, heaven forbid, you do have a college degree I think it is safe to say that you are one of those people who are college educated yet as dumb as a doornail.

Finally did it ever dawn on you that sometimes people like to learn just for the sake of learning?

lol, So because you can't address the argument your higher functions just break down to "Well, your stupid, stupid, stupid!!!!".

Thanks for playing, Next time trying to discuss rather then just resorting to name calling.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: CFster
Bill Gates
Larry Ellison
Steve Jobs
Michael Dell

All college drop outs.

So what's your revolutionary business plan? Playing Xbox games?

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: will889

Without you even knowing it, apparently you agree with me.

I never actually said I disagreed with you. I was expanding on your point from a different angle.

Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

This sounds like something people say to themselves to help them sleep better at night. A high school graduate with "street" smarts is not likely to be more intelligent in most areas when compared to an accomplished scientist with several post graduate degrees. It's a big misnomer that people with academic smarts lack "street" smarts. After all, it mostly comes down to experience and being able to efficiently teach yourself new things. This is the biggest reason college grads are given priority in most jobs because they are much more likely to self-educate efficiently. Obviously some people just learn things quickly, but a person who has to work harder at it and has been through college has been exposed to a variety of different ways to think and learn, which allows them to then do it on their own. Anyone who took college even somewhat serious has several advantages over people who didn't or didn't go. It doesn't mean they'll be more successful, but they certainly have a better chance.

With that said, I answered no and no. Having or not having a degree is not what I use to "value" someone's contributions to society.

I'd say your argument is logical but just as specious as any other. I once had the Dean of the English department at the University of Arizona tell me in response to my complaint regarding his poor communication and misspelling in emails that he was "Too busy to bother with spell check."

Unfortunately, a good many PHD's have concentrated so heavily on that 'one blade of grass,' that they have lost sight of the lawn.

I was careful in my choice of words for this exact reason. Some will slip through the cracks and that can't be avoided. I was just saying in general they will be well rounded individuals and in my experience that has been true. As an aside, I also do not like when people send emails with horrible spelling and grammar when it is meant to be "official" or work related. Shooting the shit with your friends is one thing, but mass emailing an entire department and making several mistakes is just...I don't know the right word.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
I don't have a degree, but everyone who works for me does.

that's the situation I'm in now... I have a degree, my boss doesn't.

but my boss is at the end of his career path at 26 unless he goes back to school (if only to take public speaking and dictation classes), whereas I'm just using this job to gain experience and beef up my professional resume. I can easily see myself making more money than him in a couple years once I leave data center/NOC work behind me.

 

[nakedfrog]

32% yes on the first question?
What a bunch of elitists.

 

[invidia]

You should specify high school and college degrees.

 

[TallBill]

I can't recall a time in my life where I asked a person if they had a degree or not.

 

[schmedy]

Originally posted by: dbk
i don't give a shit... plenty of dumbass people with degrees

Originally posted by: Aimster
I think in my job it matters. Financial industry. But they hired a bunch of people with degrees in liberal arts... federal govt for u

i'm fed govt too - can you even get a fed job without a degree?

what positions were liberal art graduates hired for?

Depends on the Branch of the Government. I don't have one and a good portion of the people I work with don't but have a lot of military training. I have been looking to swap agencies and see that some require you to have a Masters for a GS-9 which is insane. In the Government sector no rules of logic apply to hiring. I do know many bids do say education is not a replacement for experience in the field, that is aside from any other factors to be hired.