Do you think less of somone who does not have a degree?

[her209]

I think anyone who doesn't have a Doctorate level degree is worthless.

 

[EightySix Four]

Being in college right now, I'd have to say I don't think less or anyone without a degree or think more of anyone with it. A monkey could graduate with a BA.

 

[Albatross]

Originally posted by: her209
I think anyone who doesn't have two Doctorate level degrees is worthless.

:thumbsup:

 

[hanoverphist]

i like it when PEs ask me if i have a degree. i tell them yes, i have a BA in multimedia specializing in digital animation. they get a confused look on their face. always makes me giggle. mainly due to me being an industrial programmer, designing water system controls.

i dont think less of people without degrees, especially if they know their stuff in their field. there are plenty of engineers that are wastes of air, but their degree usually keeps them afloat for some reason. when it comes to an official opinion however, i need that stamp that goes with the PE thing. apparently you can become a PE without the degree now, with industry experience counting in its place.

 

[Kev]

not really, getting a degree is a joke

 

[Lonyo]

Given how easy it is to get a degree, it isn't really all that much of an achievement.
If you don't have a degree it doesn't necessarily mean you are lazy etc, just that you chose a different path.

There are people with degrees who are worthless, and people without them who are worthless. Having or not having a degree doesn't mean much unless everything else is the same.

Even idiots can get degrees.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Given how easy it is to get a degree, it isn't really all that much of an achievement.
If you don't have a degree it doesn't necessarily mean you are lazy etc, just that you chose a different path.

There are people with degrees who are worthless, and people without them who are worthless. Having or not having a degree doesn't mean much unless everything else is the same.

Even idiots can get degrees.

A BS degree maybe, and this is why types of degrees matter. Did you get a BA or a BS. BS tends to be worth more as people know since they're harder to achieve. The second is institution. And on the note of type of degree, higher degrees mean even more.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Cogman

Originally posted by: Babbles

Wow, I can not tell if you are ignorant and just outright stupid. It is mind-boggling that you somehow have this screwed-up notation that you can justify your judgement regarding the usefulness of somebody's degree. To begin with it is quite obvious that you do not even understand the concept of a "liberal" arts education. If you simply understood that concept then you would not likely be making bone-headed posts.

Originally posted by: Cogman


However, how is it different then getting a masters? Simple. If you get a masters and can go to work in that field that you have a masters in, then obviously your degree has some value outside of the teaching environment. However, if you get a degree who's only value is that you have to get another degree in order to teach more kids to have a degree in what you have. Well, that seems pretty worthless to me.

A degree in education isn't worthless. However, a degree in education to teach worthless subjects is.

Honestly, there aren't a whole lot of majors that I view as worthless, just a select few. (Some might find music, art, or english majors worthless, I don't. I see the value in having these things in society). However, some degrees really don't give a whole lot of benefit to anyone else.

You inane judgements about "worthless subjects" or lack "of benefit to anyone else" speaks volumes about your maturity or otherwise your lack of higher-level cognitive thinking. If, heaven forbid, you do have a college degree I think it is safe to say that you are one of those people who are college educated yet as dumb as a doornail.

Finally did it ever dawn on you that sometimes people like to learn just for the sake of learning?

lol, So because you can't address the argument your higher functions just break down to "Well, your stupid, stupid, stupid!!!!".

Thanks for playing, Next time trying to discuss rather then just resorting to name calling.

Wow, I thought this thread died. . .

Anyhow, chief, none of your "arguments" are truly addressed simply because you do not have any intelligent arguments. Citing yourself as some sort of authority of what should or should not be a valuable major in college is arrogant and idiotic.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Given how easy it is to get a degree, it isn't really all that much of an achievement.
If you don't have a degree it doesn't necessarily mean you are lazy etc, just that you chose a different path.

There are people with degrees who are worthless, and people without them who are worthless. Having or not having a degree doesn't mean much unless everything else is the same.

Even idiots can get degrees.

A BS degree maybe, and this is why types of degrees matter. Did you get a BA or a BS. BS tends to be worth more as people know since they're harder to achieve. The second is institution. And on the note of type of degree, higher degrees mean even more.

In a sense I would tend to agree. I do think some fields of study may, in a sense, be more "difficult" for the typical student. In many instances a B.S. may be "worth more" than a B.A. but in other instances a B.A. could be much more difficult for the typical college student.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Given how easy it is to get a degree, it isn't really all that much of an achievement.
If you don't have a degree it doesn't necessarily mean you are lazy etc, just that you chose a different path.

There are people with degrees who are worthless, and people without them who are worthless. Having or not having a degree doesn't mean much unless everything else is the same.

Even idiots can get degrees.

A BS degree maybe, and this is why types of degrees matter. Did you get a BA or a BS. BS tends to be worth more as people know since they're harder to achieve. The second is institution. And on the note of type of degree, higher degrees mean even more.

In a sense I would tend to agree. I do think some fields of study may, in a sense, be more "difficult" for the typical student. In many instances a B.S. may be "worth more" than a B.A. but in other instances a B.A. could be much more difficult for the typical college student.

Also (in the UK at least) you get a different level of degree, depending on how well you did.
Having a degree in and of itself is meaningless without knowing all the associated things, which is what I was trying to get at.
If person A has a degree from a crap school, barely passed and it's in an 'easy' subject, and person B has a degree from a top tier school, got the best marks in the country and did a double major or something, then they shouldn't really be viewed in the same way.

Just having a degree doesn't mean much.

 

[PepePeru]

No / No

 

[Alienwho]

I know a lot of stupid people with degrees. I also know a lot of stupid people without degrees. The only difference is, in my experience at least the people with degrees tend to make better life decisions and can stick things out. Here is a run down of my closest friends and relatives:

Brother 1 - No degree, took a few classes at a community college. Gave that up, Can't hold a job for more than a few months. Knocked up some skank with 4 kids.
Brother 2 - No degree, sweeps the floor at some construction place. Got married at 19. He used to want to be a doctor (and definitely HAD what it takes)
Friend 1 - 3/4 way done with degree. He used to have a full ride scholarship. Just can't hack it. He's a wanderer. Can't figure out what he's doing.
Friend 2 - No degree. Dude is smart as can be and is very entrepreneurial. So entrepreneurial in fact, that he changes his businesses that he tries to start up every few months. He comes from a very wealthy family so he has virtually no consequences for his actions. He's taken care of.

On the other side:
Bro in Law 1: Just graduated as the top student from one of the best Masters of Accounting programs in the nation. Dude is awesome and very smart.
Bro in Law 2: Midway through the MBA program at one of the top MBA programs in the nation. Also a very cool guy but I don't necessarily think of him as smart. He majored in Psychology, and didn't even do very well in that. He did excellent on the GMAT, however.
Bro in Law 3: Majored in Business, dude is somewhat book smart but I think he's a douchebag and doesn't have the best social skills.
Friend: This guy is a computer Genius, specifically networking. He's trying to force himself into Med School. Yes he's capable of it but he's out to prove to the world that he's smart enough for med school, which IMO makes him an idiot.

This is just a few of my experiences. If I was hiring somebody, I would definitely pay closer attention to a guy with a degree, all other things equal until the interview. Once the interview hits though, the degree goes out the window and personality and cohesion are more important.

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: Lonyo
Given how easy it is to get a degree, it isn't really all that much of an achievement.
If you don't have a degree it doesn't necessarily mean you are lazy etc, just that you chose a different path.

There are people with degrees who are worthless, and people without them who are worthless. Having or not having a degree doesn't mean much unless everything else is the same.

Even idiots can get degrees.

A BS degree maybe, and this is why types of degrees matter. Did you get a BA or a BS. BS tends to be worth more as people know since they're harder to achieve. The second is institution. And on the note of type of degree, higher degrees mean even more.

How prevalent is this?

The reason I ask is because I graduated from a Business school in Information Systems. The major required all the classes that were required for a BS degree. I had the option to get a BA degree in BIS, which meant I had to take all the classes for a BS plus the classes for a BA. I speak portuguese and got about 30 credits of portuguese credits in one semester and was told that I might as well get the BA because it's more unique and is 'beyond' a BS.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Wow, I thought this thread died. . .

Anyhow, chief, none of your "arguments" are truly addressed simply because you do not have any intelligent arguments. Citing yourself as some sort of authority of what should or should not be a valuable major in college is arrogant and idiotic.

Reading comprehension FTL. I never cited myself as some sort of authority, nor did I ever say that my opinion was anything besides that.

Now if you wanted to shut me up, you could have responded with something like. "Your retarded because these majors contribute to society in this way" or "Your retarded because the betterment of ones self is more valuable then their benefit to society." Ect. However, you just said (and yes, I'm paraphrasing) "Your stupid, stupid, stupid!".

I haven't heard an intelligent argument back from you, only flames. Heck, I haven't even heard your opinion on the matter, only that you think mine is stupid.

Yeay the internets! (and yeah, I thought this thread was dead as well.)

 

[Rio Rebel]

I think less of people who post in the P&N forum.

Other than that, I try not to pre-judge.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
I think less of people who post in the P&N forum.

Other than that, I try not to pre-judge.

:thumbsup:

i've seen idiots with degrees and geniuses without degrees. a degree doesn't always make the person.

 

[dud]

No. That would be petty ... to judge someone because of their education.

Judge not lest ye be judged ...

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli


For me, not having a degree is irrelevant to an evaluation of a person. Yet knowing someone does have a degree tends to make me think more of them.

What did you just say? You're not red in the face...but you're red in the face?
How can this be? lol

If you have two people in front of you and think more highly of the individual with a degree then obviously you think less of the one that does not since they are relative only to one another.

I believe this thread is all the evidence one needs to prove that education has zero bearing upon intellect.

Btw I have no degree in anything...at all... whatsoever.

 

[frostedflakes]

I voted no and yes, but then I started to think about it more, and there are a lot of morons who somehow managed to get a college degree. So for the 2nd question I'd say it probably depends more on the person and/or what their degree was in.

 

[zinfamous]

Not at all; unless they make a concerted effort to present themselves as preposterously stupid.

I know plenty of intelligent and gifted people w/o a degree. They're generally more interesting than us crumudgeonly academians.

 

[Red Dawn]

It's not even part of the equation when it comes to what I think of a person.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Anyone that thinks less of someone that doesn't have a degree needs a punch in the mouth. That is all.

 

[oboeguy]

No and no. I have an alphabet soup after my name but that doesn't make me any better or worse than the next guy.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: invidia
You should specify high school and college degrees.

no one cares about High School. Bachelor's degrees are more or less falling to the same status these days, as well.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Nope. I've met plenty of smart people who made other choices than to pursue a college degree. My wife being one of them. Paramedics don't receive degrees, though they've gone through enough school training and certification to receive at least an Associates, IMO. And then there are various trade skills which require pretty advanced knowledge, but don't result in any degrees.

Now if someone doesn't have at least a highschool degree/GED, while they may be perfectly nice people, I will question their commitment, abilities and work ethic.