Do you think healthcare should be mandatory for America?

[0roo0roo]

maybe. look at the car comparnies. ours can't compete with countries who have national healthcare.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
If you think healthcare if expensive now, wait until it's free and every trailer park and housing project druggy goes to the doctor for every ache and pain and you, the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

The solution is SIMPLE AS HELL. Put in place a $200 deductible, and prevent use of the healthcare benefits to pay for all drugs. The reason insurance costs so damn much is people are happy with paying $300 a month for insurance to pay for their $75 checkups.

That doesn't solve anything. The idea is that it's "free" to those who can't afford it. I'm not paying $300 for a check up. I'm paying $300 incase I have serious health issues. That's why it's called insurance.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Communist!

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: JoPh
who is that?

What's it matter? It seemed like the cool thing to do... I just wanted to hang out with you guys!

 

[Dulanic]

I am semi bias in this question, do I think it should given to everyone even if they never work? No. But take me for example.... I have a life long disease that will never go away (unless a cure is found). I am stuck in one job and can not change, I am on medication that runs well over 1000 a month. So my choices are to stay with the job I have now. I never went to college because of my issues, I got my job in retail in high school, and can't change. I could never afford insurance on my own, with my condition it would cost way too much. And I can't switch jobs because every place has pre-exsisting condition clauses where I wouldnt be covered for 6 months to a year, plus the usual 3 month waiting period before your elegible for health insurance.

So yes I think there are issues with our health care system, does covering everyone through the goverment make sense? I don't know honestly.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
If you think healthcare if expensive now, wait until it's free and every trailer park and housing project druggy goes to the doctor for every ache and pain and you, the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

They already do, have you ever been to a county hospital?

 

[troglodytis]

manditory? nope.

provided? why not.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
If you think healthcare if expensive now, wait until it's free and every trailer park and housing project druggy goes to the doctor for every ache and pain and you, the taxpayer has to foot the bill.

The solution is SIMPLE AS HELL. Put in place a $200 deductible, and prevent use of the healthcare benefits to pay for all drugs. The reason insurance costs so damn much is people are happy with paying $300 a month for insurance to pay for their $75 checkups.

$200 deducatable is outragous. I have no deductable and like to keep it that way.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Absolutely

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: JoPh
F*** no.

Fixed.

Fixed again.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg

Originally posted by: JoPh
Hell no.

Fixed.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
The answer to sh!tty healthcare is not sh!ttier healthcare.

I see your point, but it doesnt have to be like that

And you think Government can make it better?!?!? Lolololololoololo.....

And, healthcare in this country is NOT ******. The cost may be, but the care is definitely not.

 

[FoBoT]

no
capitalism or death!!

 

[gnumantsc]

Originally posted by: Ryan
Yes - but I think there shoudl be some kind of restrictions. Children should be covered until they're 18, everyone over should have to be a working member of society (IE - employed) to be covered.

What does being employed have to do with being able to cover health care costs. If you made minimum wage in the US just to see a doctor would be quite costly. Think about if you had to go to the hospital, there is no way in hell could a poor persom\family could pay for it.

Maybe things would be better down there if healthcare was provided to everyone instead of funding billions and billions to a war on oil.

Just because you might have a high paying job does not mean you can have the money to pay for your health costs, and not everyone can be able to get a high paying job either.

 

[DVK916]

I am against it if it results in the lowering the standard my current healthcare.

 

[MX2]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: upsciLLion
The answer to sh!tty healthcare is not sh!ttier healthcare.

I see your point, but it doesnt have to be like that

And you think Government can make it better?!?!? Lolololololoololo.....

And, healthcare in this country is NOT ******. The cost may be, but the care is definitely not.

Who said the government could make it better

 

[DVK916]

And I think this thread would do better in P&N

 

[TheAreopagite]

No, I have no desire to force greater political pressure on healthcare, nor do I wish to pay for other people's choices that land them in the hospital/GP's office (i.e. smoking, obesity, excess drinking, drugs, etc.).

 

[Boxxcar]

Many countries in western Europe have free medical care and quite frankly, many people still pay out of pocket for private care because the free care is not very good, have long waiting lists for appts and necessary operations, or the doctors are unskilled. Socialized medicine would never work in the US, but I'll tell you what should be done. The US govt needs to place caps on the costs that the medical community charges for service. My wife recently spent three hours in the emergency room at the local hospital. The bill was over $2700! My insurance paid it, but either way you look at it, that's highway robbery!

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Boxxcar
Many countries in western Europe have free medical care and quite frankly, many people still pay out of pocket for private care because the free care is not very good, have long waiting lists for appts and necessary operations, or the doctors are unskilled. Socialized medicine would never work in the US, but I'll tell you what should be done. The US govt needs to place caps on the costs that the medical community charges for service. My wife recently spent three hours in the emergency room at the local hospital. The bill was over $2700! My insurance paid it, but either way you look at it, that's highway robbery!

Exactly! There's a problem when someone has a medical emergency that is out of their control (say - maybe a poor college student), and they must file for bankruptcy and ****** up their credit history because they cannot afford their medical bills.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

No, but in reality it already is funded by our tax dollars. Peoplewho have no med insurance go to emergency rooms and get treatment all of the time.

The biggest costs to our medical system from my point of view is that people think everyone should have a long long life regardless of the cost.

Those rpeemie babies need to be allowed to die rather than live in a incubator. Preemies have a lifetime of problems from mental retardation to health issues.
Cost per day for hospital stays is close to $5000/day.

Every person I know over 40 is on a drug cocktail of life extenders from lower blood pressure to lower cholesterol. So basically these 40yr olds that have 40yrs of high cost drug benefits.

Don't get me started on illegals, drug users, and welfare recipients.

 

[SparkyJJO]

blah, no, like I need more of my paycheck getting taken away to pay for someone stranger's medical problem. If I want to help out someone I sure as heck will, but I don't want the government forcing me to do it.

Originally posted by: broon
No. Americans should get of their lazy butts and work for it.

exactly, why should I pay for someone's medical care when he's too lazy to work and pay for his own?

This post should be in P&N

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: gnumantsc
Maybe things would be better down there if healthcare was provided to everyone instead of funding billions and billions to a war on oil.

It's not a "war on oil." If it were, money wouldn't be an issue because we'd be stealing all that sweet Iraqi crude. Unfortunately it doesn't quite work that way...

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Fmr12B
No, but in reality it already is funded by our tax dollars. Peoplewho have no med insurance go to emergency rooms and get treatment all of the time.

The biggest costs to our medical system from my point of view is that people think everyone should have a long long life regardless of the cost.

Those rpeemie babies need to be allowed to die rather than live in a incubator. Preemies have a lifetime of problems from mental retardation to health issues.
Cost per day for hospital stays is close to $5000/day.

Every person I know over 40 is on a drug cocktail of life extenders from lower blood pressure to lower cholesterol. So basically these 40yr olds that have 40yrs of high cost drug benefits.

Don't get me started on illegals, drug users, and welfare recipients.

First off, a lot of premies have no life long health problems. I was born after only 28 weeks of gestation and 5lbs. I suffered no ill effect from this, as far as my doctors know. And didn't require incubation. My mother was able to take me home after only a few days.


The only medical problem I suffered was I need to have a tub placed in my ear, and I suffered from dozens of febrile seizures until the age of 5, when they stoped. Which happens to non premies too. Minor problems, in my opinion.

 

[farmercal]

Many countries in western Europe have free medical care and quite frankly, many people still pay out of pocket for private care because the free care is not very good, have long waiting lists for appts and necessary operations, or the doctors are unskilled. Socialized medicine would never work in the US, but I'll tell you what should be done. The US govt needs to place caps on the costs that the medical community charges for service. My wife recently spent three hours in the emergency room at the local hospital. The bill was over $2700! My insurance paid it, but either way you look at it, that's highway robbery!

Germany is in western Europe, they have free medical but it not really free. Talk to a German and they will tell you how much money is taken from their check to pay the theirs and others health care. The reason your wife's bill was so high it to pay for all those people who run to the emergency room for health care and don't pay for the visit. Your insurance companies and mine are paying their bills.