Do you consider homosexuality to be a problem that the government needs to address?

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
I just polished my mailbox. It was fantastic and I love it. I can't wait until next time.

That's your choice sinner. :roll:

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael
The first bolded statement is possible, the second is improbable, and both are also unprovable. Not to mention that many of the people who served in these conflicts were not people with lofty moral convictions about liberty. Most of the intellectuals espousing the virtues of liberty did not, and in fact have never served. Most of the people who served in early wars and many of them who serve now were poor people who did/do so for economic and social reasons. There are also those who sign up in a nationalistic fervor, but many of them probably would have done so whether they lived in a democracy or in a dictatorship. Nationalism and group-think in general are constants for humanity.

However, I don't mean to denigrate anyone who serves. Rather, I mean to reject rhetoric like "I will die for Liberty", which I consider dishonest when applied to oneself (with a few exceptions), and generally inaccurate when applied to most other people. I think it is a damaging, irrational tool used to incite people. People should put more thought into serving and risking their lives than a knee-jerk response to socially indoctrinated rhetoric like "Give me liberty, or give me death!".

We are veering way off topic here. (Not that it is a bad thing considering some responses on the topic.)

Having served myself, the people I served with did it for many reasons. The most important to them has always been the preservation of liberty and freedom. So I am looking at this from a different angle than you are.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: Platypus
That's your choice sinner. :roll:

Just admit you want to give my mailbox a vigorous rubbing and we can skip the foreplay.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
I just polished my mailbox. It was fantastic and I love it. I can't wait until next time.

That's your choice sinner. :roll:

No way, man! Mailbosexuality isn't in the Bible so clearly God approves!

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Vic
Sometimes it's a choice and sometimes it's not. If it wasn't a choice, there wouldn't be any bisexuals. If it wasn't hereditary somehow, there wouldn't be any total straights or total gays. Why does this make a difference and who really gives a flying fsck? Seriously, I've never understood this it has to be one way or the other argument when it's clearly both.

Bi-sexuality is not proof of choice. People can also be genetically predisposed to like both sexes equally. I do believe that some people may choose to engage in sex acts with the same gender to be rebellious somehow. (Damned emo kids make this claim.) But that is a rare occurrence due to the stigma one encounters once they have been exposed to having relations with the same sex.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Answer truthfully now.

Seriously, I was thinking about this after that thread on that nutball congresswoman from Oklahoma or where ever the fuck she was from.

Personally, I think politicians should shut the hell up about religion and sexuality. Too often they end up sticking their jackbooted foot in their pie hole anyway either by words or by their actions (tapping foot in the mens room at an airport for example). Homosexuality is not a problem anyone needs to address...especially not our government.

homosexuality is not a problem.

and yes, i agree that the gov't shouldn't make it their business.

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Answer truthfully now.

Seriously, I was thinking about this after that thread on that nutball congresswoman from Oklahoma or where ever the fuck she was from.

Personally, I think politicians should shut the hell up about religion and sexuality. Too often they end up sticking their jackbooted foot in their pie hole anyway either by words or by their actions (tapping foot in the mens room at an airport for example). Homosexuality is not a problem anyone needs to address...especially not our government.

homosexuality is not a problem.

and yes, i agree that the gov't shouldn't make it their business.

Thing is the government doesn't give a shit. Politicians just know it's a cheap, easy carrot to dangle in front of a petty populace.

 

[lokiju]

They kind of need to when it comes to marriage rights either way, so it's rather unavoidable IMO.

I personally think if a gay couple wants to marry, then go for it, doesn't change my life in any way at all.

 

[soonerproud]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Thing is the government doesn't give a shit. Politicians just know it's a cheap, easy carrot to dangle in front of a petty populace.

Bingo!!!!!!

:thumbsup:

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: soonerproud

Originally posted by: Vic
Sometimes it's a choice and sometimes it's not. If it wasn't a choice, there wouldn't be any bisexuals. If it wasn't hereditary somehow, there wouldn't be any total straights or total gays. Why does this make a difference and who really gives a flying fsck? Seriously, I've never understood this it has to be one way or the other argument when it's clearly both.

Bi-sexuality is not proof of choice. People can also be genetically predisposed to like both sexes equally. I do believe that some people may choose to engage in sex acts with the same gender to be rebellious somehow. (Damned emo kids make this claim.) But that is a rare occurrence due to the stigma one encounters once they have been exposed to having relations with the same sex.

My point is that it doesn't matter. You see, when society believed that homosexuality was a choice, then that made it a sin, whatever. So then it's genetic, and to society it becomes a disease or some malformation (like Down's Syndrome). BS. The truth is that it's none of society's damn business.

 

[dudeman007]

Originally posted by: v1001
Not sure what you want them to do about it.

But they should definitely put some funds toward curing homosexuality. No matter what you say it is NOT normal or the way people are supposed to be. Something is very broken in the human brain and DNA if two creatures of the same sex are attracted to each other. If monkeys all started wanting to mate with turtles everyone would be like "what the hell this isn't right!". Just because the gay community is so outspoken and make themselves so noticed doesn't mean it normal or right.

Now that would of course be their right or not to decide if they wanted to take the drug to cure them. I'm betting you'd get quite a lot that would. Then the rest of the gay community who didn't take it would stand up against it and fight even more to not look abnormal.

I'm really really hoping you're being sarcastic. If not you're a fucking prick. Have some morality asshole. If you don't like ice-cream, most people would see that as different. Is that a problem though? Does it affect you? Is there need for a cure? Jesus christ some of you people are seriously off your rocker.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: dudeman007

Originally posted by: v1001
Not sure what you want them to do about it.

But they should definitely put some funds toward curing homosexuality. No matter what you say it is NOT normal or the way people are supposed to be. Something is very broken in the human brain and DNA if two creatures of the same sex are attracted to each other. If monkeys all started wanting to mate with turtles everyone would be like "what the hell this isn't right!". Just because the gay community is so outspoken and make themselves so noticed doesn't mean it normal or right.

Now that would of course be their right or not to decide if they wanted to take the drug to cure them. I'm betting you'd get quite a lot that would. Then the rest of the gay community who didn't take it would stand up against it and fight even more to not look abnormal.

I'm really really hoping you're being sarcastic. If not you're a fucking prick. Have some morality asshole. If you don't like ice-cream, most people would see that as different. Is that a problem though? Does it affect you? Is there need for a cure? Jesus christ some of you people are seriously off your rocker.

it's best to ignore the ignorant dudeman.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
I just polished my mailbox. It was fantastic and I love it. I can't wait until next time.

That's your choice sinner. :roll:

there is choice in DOING something (ie, having sex), but there is no proof (afaik) that there is a choice in attraction (homosexuality vs. heterosexuality)

hate the sin, not the sinner? "i like your christ, but i do not like your christians. your christians are so very unlike your christ" - Gandi.

whatever your morality/religion is, calling him out as a sinner does not make you any better than him. (going on christian principles here) it only reinforces religion's inability to tolerate, IMO, despite the fact that it claims tolerance.

 

[Platypus]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
I just polished my mailbox. It was fantastic and I love it. I can't wait until next time.

That's your choice sinner. :roll:

there is choice in DOING something (ie, having sex), but there is no proof (afaik) that there is a choice in attraction (homosexuality vs. heterosexuality)

hate the sin, not the sinner? "i like your christ, but i do not like your christians. your christians are so very unlike your christ" - Gandi.

whatever your morality/religion is, calling him out as a sinner does not make you any better than him. (going on christian principles here) it only reinforces religion's inability to tolerate, IMO, despite the fact that it claims tolerance.

lol WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
I just polished my mailbox. It was fantastic and I love it. I can't wait until next time.

That's your choice sinner. :roll:

there is choice in DOING something (ie, having sex), but there is no proof (afaik) that there is a choice in attraction (homosexuality vs. heterosexuality)

hate the sin, not the sinner? "i like your christ, but i do not like your christians. your christians are so very unlike your christ" - Gandi.

whatever your morality/religion is, calling him out as a sinner does not make you any better than him. (going on christian principles here) it only reinforces religion's inability to tolerate, IMO, despite the fact that it claims tolerance.

you gotta be kidding me

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Steve

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
I just polished my mailbox. It was fantastic and I love it. I can't wait until next time.

That's your choice sinner. :roll:

there is choice in DOING something (ie, having sex), but there is no proof (afaik) that there is a choice in attraction (homosexuality vs. heterosexuality)

hate the sin, not the sinner? "i like your christ, but i do not like your christians. your christians are so very unlike your christ" - Gandi.

whatever your morality/religion is, calling him out as a sinner does not make you any better than him. (going on christian principles here) it only reinforces religion's inability to tolerate, IMO, despite the fact that it claims tolerance.

you gotta be kidding me

apparently my sarcasm meter was broken

edit: i was solely responding to platypus.. obviously no one's gonna go and do their mailbox

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Platypus
ELFENIX.............?

if a flame war erupts i'm locking it, but last i looked there hadn't been one yet.

:thumbsup: Feel free if it becomes a flame war. I didn't intend it to become one though.

inevitable when the subject is breeched. ...and you know this.

So what? We should never discuss these things because they might get people riled up?

of course not. but it's silly to start a thread like this and *hope* that it doesn't become a flame war. You go in fully expecting one, or you don't start it at all.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I didn't read all comments, but I just had to share this. The fact that religion, and the bible, is so against homosexuality, is exactly what's keeping homosexuality alive. This is assuming it's in our genes, and not a choice. Because, if you are raised and told being gay is bad, and you end up pretending to be heterosexual, and get kids, your genes get passed on. If all gay people were allowed to be gay, and thus be unable to reproduce for the most part, the homosexual genes would cease to exist sooner or later ?

Discuss ?

There's little (is there any?) evidence that homosexuality is hereditary.

Quite the opposite, actually.

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I didn't read all comments, but I just had to share this. The fact that religion, and the bible, is so against homosexuality, is exactly what's keeping homosexuality alive. This is assuming it's in our genes, and not a choice. Because, if you are raised and told being gay is bad, and you end up pretending to be heterosexual, and get kids, your genes get passed on. If all gay people were allowed to be gay, and thus be unable to reproduce for the most part, the homosexual genes would cease to exist sooner or later ?

Discuss ?

There's little (is there any?) evidence that homosexuality is hereditary.

Quite the opposite, actually.

Links?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Steve

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Platypus

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
I just polished my mailbox. It was fantastic and I love it. I can't wait until next time.

That's your choice sinner. :roll:

there is choice in DOING something (ie, having sex), but there is no proof (afaik) that there is a choice in attraction (homosexuality vs. heterosexuality)

hate the sin, not the sinner? "i like your christ, but i do not like your christians. your christians are so very unlike your christ" - Gandi.

whatever your morality/religion is, calling him out as a sinner does not make you any better than him. (going on christian principles here) it only reinforces religion's inability to tolerate, IMO, despite the fact that it claims tolerance.

you gotta be kidding me

apparently my sarcasm meter was broken

edit: i was solely responding to platypus.. obviously no one's gonna go and do their mailbox

I don't know. naked frog and mmmmskyscraper have divulged some rather scandalous fetishes here.

personally, I find them disgusting and immoral. :|

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I didn't read all comments, but I just had to share this. The fact that religion, and the bible, is so against homosexuality, is exactly what's keeping homosexuality alive. This is assuming it's in our genes, and not a choice. Because, if you are raised and told being gay is bad, and you end up pretending to be heterosexual, and get kids, your genes get passed on. If all gay people were allowed to be gay, and thus be unable to reproduce for the most part, the homosexual genes would cease to exist sooner or later ?

Discuss ?

There's little (is there any?) evidence that homosexuality is hereditary.

Quite the opposite, actually.

Links?

I do believe the burden of first attack is on you, my friend. Being that my reply with its lack of evidence is just as relevant as your assertion.

 

[Platypus]

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ducci
Does the government address Down Syndrome?

In the sense that it's a genetic defect.

A post of mine from another thread on this subject:

My view tends not to be exceedingly popular - that homosexuality is simply a birth defect. Note, it's not evil, it's not immoral, it's just a genetic anomaly. Some people are born with blindness in one eye, some are born missing part of a limb. Most people are born and will develop a desire to find a mate who is of the opposite gender. Some are not. Simple as that. Problem is, because it is in the realm of involving sex, ooooooh, suddenly it's a big deal. It happens all the time. If a public official lies about sex, it's a big deal, it's a scandal. If a public official taps on the floor to get sex in a bathroom, it's a big deal. But if he'd be tapping to get an illegal payoff from a lobbyist, it'd never even be in the news. Homosexuality - right there in the term is the word "sex." Teehee, teehee, "sex." Now for some reason it's a major concern, a "moral threat."
It's no more a moral threat than someone who was born without a forearm. Either person can lead a normal life, pursuing life, liberty, and happiness, as we are all guaranteed in this country.

 

[zinfamous]

Hell

Here's a rather "old" summary of some research, and the history of "gay diagnosis" link

There was some highly-publicized research published late last year that suggested 2nd-born male siblings have a higher rate of homosexuality than other children in the birth order. The theory bing that the Mother's body releases extra hormones into the placenta, that has a "feminizing" (I'm pulling this word out of my ass) effect on the developing fetus. this could be a survival strategy, in that the 2nd-born male will be less competitive, and have a greater chance of survival as the younger male progeny.

This was all over the news. I'm sure you saw it...or at least read the threads on AT that discussed it.

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: Saint Michael

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I didn't read all comments, but I just had to share this. The fact that religion, and the bible, is so against homosexuality, is exactly what's keeping homosexuality alive. This is assuming it's in our genes, and not a choice. Because, if you are raised and told being gay is bad, and you end up pretending to be heterosexual, and get kids, your genes get passed on. If all gay people were allowed to be gay, and thus be unable to reproduce for the most part, the homosexual genes would cease to exist sooner or later ?

Discuss ?

There's little (is there any?) evidence that homosexuality is hereditary.

Quite the opposite, actually.

Links?

I do believe the burden of first attack is on you, my friend. Being that my reply with its lack of evidence is just as relevant as your assertion.

Ah yes, you mean I have to prove a negative. "Prove that evidence doesn't exist."

In actuality the onus is on you to provide some evidence.