TehMac
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A while back, they de-gay'd a fruit fly, and then tweaked the gene and the fly became gay again. In this sense, a human, which is more complex than a fly, is probably more capable of making a sentient choice on lifestyle, not just something controlled by his genes.
zinfamous
No Lifer
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you're fallaciously assuming that b/c a fly's genetics were altered, thus controlling its behavior, that this suggests choice in humans ("because we're more complex"). Very bad reasoning. We are more complex, but this study (as you present it) does not address conscious choice. It addresses physical responses to genetic manipulation.
A lot of the conflict in science is between the rather convincing genetic evidence and the behaviorists. Behaviorists don't want to believe genetic components, and while behavioral science puts out some good info too, behaviorists are not Geneticists. This points to a real problem in science, in that individuals do not communicate well across their fields. They simply aren't good at interpreting results from a different niche field.
I don't know too much about physics beyond the basics, and I'm not a field biologist. Hell, even in molecular genetics, most of my experience is in developmental genetics (specifically cardiac development/disease), and so I'm pretty damn rusty rusty when it comes to hardcore immunology and even perhaps the biggest areas of the field, oncology.
Point being, a behaviorist discounting genetic research means nothing. (But hey, they do collaborate more often than not). Actually....the most frightening thing is how a lot of practicing physicians know so little about simple genetics. I've seen this lead to some pretty tragic diagnoses and advice (this from medical professionals with way more training, and supposedly science knowledge, than someone like me).
Homophobes:
Apparently, genetically "defective" people don't deserve marriage. Since I see like dogs do (color blind), I shouldn't get married. Since "carl" from your local supermarket produce section has down-syndrome, he shouldn't get married. Since you're an albino, you shouldn't get married... Am I right? Or is it just the fags that make you uncomfortable? Let me guess, that's how you were brought up to think. What a damn slippery slope that is, amirite? I mean, what happens when we develop precise gene manipulation knowledge in however many decades? Are people going to try and "fix" us? I guarantee, every single one of you sons-of-bitches has some kind of genetic "defect", or as I like to call them, differences. This particular difference just happens to have something to do with sex and fucking, which you retard conservatives already have an irrational taboo problem with in the first place. It's kind of funny, in an ironic way, too... Your bigotry is actually a choice, and there is NO doubt about that. It also a choice that hurts people (mostly because you're actually numerous enough to have an influence, these days). But you think you deserve respect, while the fags don't, even though it's not proven that their sexual preference is a choice yet, and it DOESN'T hurt other people.
Once again, you're cowards. Hypocritical coward pigs.
Apparently, genetically "defective" people don't deserve marriage. Since I see like dogs do (color blind), I shouldn't get married. Since "carl" from your local supermarket produce section has down-syndrome, he shouldn't get married. Since you're an albino, you shouldn't get married... Am I right? Or is it just the fags that make you uncomfortable? Let me guess, that's how you were brought up to think. What a damn slippery slope that is, amirite? I mean, what happens when we develop precise gene manipulation knowledge in however many decades? Are people going to try and "fix" us? I guarantee, every single one of you sons-of-bitches has some kind of genetic "defect", or as I like to call them, differences. This particular difference just happens to have something to do with sex and fucking, which you retard conservatives already have an irrational taboo problem with in the first place. It's kind of funny, in an ironic way, too... Your bigotry is actually a choice, and there is NO doubt about that. It also a choice that hurts people (mostly because you're actually numerous enough to have an influence, these days). But you think you deserve respect, while the fags don't, even though it's not proven that their sexual preference is a choice yet, and it DOESN'T hurt other people.
Once again, you're cowards. Hypocritical coward pigs.
sourceninja
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I think the government needs to address the issue of safety for citizens.
Some citizens are more at risk to become victims of violence due to certain factors.
I think that needs to be addressed.
Some citizens are more at risk to become victims of violence due to certain factors.
I think that needs to be addressed.
- Jul 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Because the religious zealots (who generally make Republicans do their work) believe homosexuality is a choice, and an evil one at that.Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Now 6% of the world has down syndrome (DS) yet 8-10% of the world is gay. (Stats I got from other sites so i don;t know how true they are).Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Why is it that gays get more bs from republicans, religious, and other nut jobs yet those with DS get a pass?
And those same religious zealots believe that incredibly evil things like murder, rape, and being gay should be banned by the government, and people who willfully enage in such events are criminals and should be punished.
Well, they're wrong. All they're doing is further dividing the country and alienating those of us who really do have morals and values with this bullshit religious agenda.
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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Do you really want to go down this line?
Sure.
so the big fat fallacy bomb is a valid method of debate in your experience? I see.
You have yet to:
Good thing you did that for me. You were even so kind as to concede that the research was inconclusive.
Significant evidence is evidence that provides a clear, decisive link between genes passed down from gay parent to child that increase the chances of that child being gay compared to if that child were born from a straight parent. I've only taken undergrad biology, but that's enough to argue this very broad point.
The question here isn't "nature vs nurture", because hormonal influences during fetal development would be "nature". They would not, however, be hereditary. The effect of hormones on a developing fetus does not impart that fetus with genetic material from the mother causing it to be gay, which can then be passed on from the fetus to its potential offspring.
Just because something is genetic doesn't mean it's hereditary either. Hypothetically, if there was a gene in all people that could make that person gay given certain conditions in the womb, does that mean homosexuality is hereditary? Well, in a very broad sense then yes. It would be hereditary. So would having feet be hereditary, but I'm using a definition of hereditary that should hopefully exclude genetic traits that every member of a species has. While technically hereditary such traits serve no practical purpose in a discussion of whether homosexuality is hereditary or not.
Part of the anti-gay parent argument relies on the concept that a gay parent is likely to pass on his "gay gene". In other words a distinct genetic trait that is specific to a certain portion of the population rather than the entire population. I see no compelling evidence that such a gene exists, and that homosexuality can be passed from a homosexual parent to their offspring. No, I have not gone searching through every scientific journal in search of the lack of evidence, I've posed this question over and over again looking for somebody to provide evidence that homosexuality is hereditary, and have never been given any.
I have a serious question for you, what difference would it make either way? Say you can prove that you are gay from birth or say I can prove that people become gay by how they're brought up. What difference does it make?
You still have these people in our society who prefer the company of their own sex. You either choose to accept them and give them the respect they deserve as decent human beings or you choose to hate them for it. Personally, I choose the former.
So about these mailboxes...
What kind of time does someone get for going after MailBait?
We need those MailBait Motivational posters.
What kind of time does someone get for going after MailBait?
We need those MailBait Motivational posters.
Do you consider this thread to be ridiculous and an obvious flame that will not change anyone's opinion?
No pole included, please answer though.
No pole included, please answer though.
TheAdvocate
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Latent genetic defense against overpopulation.
No proof, just a hunch. Seems to occur more often amongst established societies.
No proof, just a hunch. Seems to occur more often amongst established societies.
Nitemare
Lifer
- Feb 8, 2001
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We are far from a secular society, but I would love for the government to do their job in managing the affairs of the nation rather than play morality cop.
Our forefathers wanted a separation of Church and State, because America was essentially created from people that wanted to be free from European rule and religious persecution. They had seen the Salem Witch trials and had heard of the Spanish Inquisition. It wasn't until the Age of Enlightenment until they discovered tolerance to others and ended centuries of religious persecutions.
Hell, even go back before the Spanish Inquisition and you have the Dark Ages. The Greek people were filled with scholars and scientists, however, they were not Christians so they were branded pagans and either ignored, jailed or murdered.
There was a prominent Greek mathematician and philosopher who was branded a pagan because she wasn't interested in the Christian church
Details of the event:
"On a fatal day, in the holy season of Lent, Hypathia was torn from her chariot, stripped naked, dragged to the church, and inhumanly butchered by the hands of Peter the Reader and a troop of savage and merciless fanatics; her flesh was scrapped from her bones with sharp oyster shells, and her quivering limbs were delivered to the flames. The just progress of inquiry and punishment was stopped by seasonable gifts; but the murder of Hypathia has imprinted an indelible strain on the character and religion of Cyril of Alexandria"
key note is Cyril has been granted sainthoods by the Christian church.
the Decree of the Christian Emperor Theophilus in 391 ordered the destruction of all pagan temples and very likely destroyed the Great Library of Alexandria which was the largest in the world at the time.
Other events that started the Dark Ages:
324 The emperor Constantine sacks the Oracle of the god Apollo and tortures the pagan priests to death. He also evicts all non-Christian peoples from Mount Athos and destroys all the local Hellenic temples.
335 Constantine sacks many pagan temples in Asia Minor and Palestine and orders the execution by crucifixion of ?all magicians and soothsayers.? Martyrdom of the neoplatonist philosopher Sopatrus.
341 Constantius II (Flavius Julius Constantius) persecutes ?all the soothsayers and the Hellenists.? Many gentile Hellenes are either imprisoned or executed.
354 A new edict of Constantius orders the destruction of the pagan temples and the execution of all ?idolaters?. First burning of libraries in various cities of the empire.
359 In Skythopolis, Syria, the Christians organise the first death camps for the torture and executions of the arrested non-Christians from all around the empire.
364 Emperor Jovian orders the burning of the Library of Antioch. An Imperial edict (11th September) orders the death penalty for all those that worship their ancestral gods or practice divination. Three different edicts (4th February, 9th September, 23rd December) order the confiscation of all properties of the pagan temples and the death penalty for participation in pagan rituals, even private ones.
370 Valens orders a tremendous persecution of non-Christian peoples in all the Eastern Empire. In Antioch, among many other non-Christians, the ex-governor Fidustius and the priests Hilarius and Patricius are executed. The philosopher Simonides is burned alive and the philosopher Maximus is decapitated. Tons of books are burnt in the squares of the cities of the Eastern Empire.
372 Valens orders the governor of Minor Asia to exterminate all the Hellenes and all documents of their wisdom.
373 The term ?pagan? (pagani, villagers, equivalent to the modern insult, ?peasants?) is introduced by the Christians to demean non-believers. The non-Christians are called ?loathsome, heretics, stupid and blind?. In another edict, Theodosius calls ?insane? those that do not believe to the Christian God. The Christian priests lead the angry mob against the temple of goddess Demeter in Eleusis and try to lynch the hierophants Nestorius and Priskus.
381 At the Council of Constantinople the 'Holy Spirit' is declared 'Divine' (thus sanctioning a triune god). On 2nd May, Theodosius deprives of all their rights any Christians who return to the pagan religion. Throughout the Eastern Empire the pagan temples and libraries are looted or burned down.
385 to 388 Thousands of innocent pagans from all sides of the empire suffer martyrdom in the notorious death camps of Skythopolis.
389 to 390 Hordes of fanatic Christian hermits from the desert flood the cities of the Middle East and Egypt and destroy statues, altars, libraries and pagan temples, and lynch the pagans. Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, starts heavy persecutions against non-Christian peoples, turning the temple of Dionysius into a Christian church, burning down the Mithraeum of the city, destroying the temple of Zeus and burlesques the pagan priests before they are killed by stoning. The Christian mob profanes the cult images.
392 On 8th November, Theodosius outlaws all the non-Christian rituals and names them ?superstitions of the gentiles? (gentilicia superstitio). New full scale persecutions are ordered against pagans. The Mysteries of Samothrace are ended and the priests slaughtered. In Cyprus the local bishop ?Saint? Epiphanius and ?Saint? Tychon destroy almost all the temples of the island and exterminate thousands of non-Christians.
395 Two new edicts (22nd July and 7th August) cause new persecutions against pagans. Rufinus, the eunuch Prime Minister of Emperor Flavius Arcadius directs the hordes of baptised Goths (led by Alaric) to the country of the Hellenes. Encouraged by Christian monks the barbarians sack and burn many cities (Dion, Delphi, Megara, Corinth, Pheneos, Argos, Nemea, Lycosoura, Sparta, Messene, Phigaleia, Olympia, etc.), slaughter or enslave innumerable gentile Hellenes and burn down all the temples. Among others, they burn down the Eleusinian Sanctuary and burn alive all its priests (including the hierophant of Mithras Hilarius).
399 With a new edict (13th July) Flavius Arcadius orders all remaining pagan temples, mainly in the countryside, be immediately demolished.
401 The Christian mob of Carthage lynches non-Christians and destroys temples and ?idols?. In Gaza too, the local bishop ?Saint? Porphyrius sends his followers to lynch pagans and to demolish the remaining nine still active temples of the city.
405 John Chrysostom sends hordes of grey-dressed monks armed with clubs and iron bars to destroy the ?idols? in all the cities of Palestine.
408 The local bishops lead new heavy persecutions against the pagans and new book burning. The judges that have pity for the pagans are also persecuted. ?Saint? Augustine massacres hundreds of protesting pagans in Calama, Algeria.
409 Another edict orders all methods of divination including astrology to be punished by death.
415 In Alexandria, the Christian mob, urged by the bishop Cyril, attacks a few days before the Judeo-Christian Pascha (Easter) and cuts to pieces the famous and beautiful philosopher Hypatia. The pieces of her body, carried around by the Christian mob through the streets of Alexandria, are finally burned together with her books in a place called Cynaron.
416 The inquisitor Hypatius, alias ?The Sword of God?, exterminates the last pagans of Bithynia. In Constantinople (7th December) all non-Christian army officers, public employees and judges are dismissed.
423 Emperor Theodosius II declares (8th June) that the religion of the pagans is nothing more than ?demon worship? and orders all those who persist in practicing it to be punished by imprisonment and torture.
435 On 14th November, a new edict by Theodosius II orders the death penalty for all ?heretics? and pagans of the empire. Only Judaism is considered a legal non-Christian religion.
448 Theodosius II orders all non-Christian books to be burned.
450 All the temples of Aphrodisias (the City of the Goddess Aphrodite) are demolished and all its libraries burned down. The city is renamed Stavroupolis (City of the Cross).
482 to 488 The majority of the pagans of Minor Asia are exterminated after a desperate revolt against the emperor and the Church.
515 The emperor of Constantinople, Anastasius, orders the massacre of the pagans in the Arabian city Zoara and the demolition of the temple of local god Theandrites.
546 Hundreds of pagans are put to death in Constantinople by the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus.
556 Justinian orders the notorious inquisitor Amantius to go to Antioch, to find, arrest, torture and exterminate the last non-Christians of the city and burn all the private libraries down.
578 to 582 The Christians torture and crucify Hellenes all around the Eastern Empire, and exterminate the last non-Christians of Heliopolis (Baalbek).
Just be glad the fanatics didn't pass any of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_amendment
Lawrence vs Texas
Anti-sodomy or gay laws are still in the books for alot of states as well.
Religion is fine when practiced in the home or in a setting of like-minded individuals, but has absolutely no place in any government.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Our forefathers wanted a separation of Church and State, because America was essentially created from people that wanted to be free from European rule and religious persecution. They had seen the Salem Witch trials and had heard of the Spanish Inquisition. It wasn't until the Age of Enlightenment until they discovered tolerance to others and ended centuries of religious persecutions.
Hell, even go back before the Spanish Inquisition and you have the Dark Ages. The Greek people were filled with scholars and scientists, however, they were not Christians so they were branded pagans and either ignored, jailed or murdered.
There was a prominent Greek mathematician and philosopher who was branded a pagan because she wasn't interested in the Christian church
Details of the event:
"On a fatal day, in the holy season of Lent, Hypathia was torn from her chariot, stripped naked, dragged to the church, and inhumanly butchered by the hands of Peter the Reader and a troop of savage and merciless fanatics; her flesh was scrapped from her bones with sharp oyster shells, and her quivering limbs were delivered to the flames. The just progress of inquiry and punishment was stopped by seasonable gifts; but the murder of Hypathia has imprinted an indelible strain on the character and religion of Cyril of Alexandria"
key note is Cyril has been granted sainthoods by the Christian church.
the Decree of the Christian Emperor Theophilus in 391 ordered the destruction of all pagan temples and very likely destroyed the Great Library of Alexandria which was the largest in the world at the time.
Other events that started the Dark Ages:
324 The emperor Constantine sacks the Oracle of the god Apollo and tortures the pagan priests to death. He also evicts all non-Christian peoples from Mount Athos and destroys all the local Hellenic temples.
335 Constantine sacks many pagan temples in Asia Minor and Palestine and orders the execution by crucifixion of ?all magicians and soothsayers.? Martyrdom of the neoplatonist philosopher Sopatrus.
341 Constantius II (Flavius Julius Constantius) persecutes ?all the soothsayers and the Hellenists.? Many gentile Hellenes are either imprisoned or executed.
354 A new edict of Constantius orders the destruction of the pagan temples and the execution of all ?idolaters?. First burning of libraries in various cities of the empire.
359 In Skythopolis, Syria, the Christians organise the first death camps for the torture and executions of the arrested non-Christians from all around the empire.
364 Emperor Jovian orders the burning of the Library of Antioch. An Imperial edict (11th September) orders the death penalty for all those that worship their ancestral gods or practice divination. Three different edicts (4th February, 9th September, 23rd December) order the confiscation of all properties of the pagan temples and the death penalty for participation in pagan rituals, even private ones.
370 Valens orders a tremendous persecution of non-Christian peoples in all the Eastern Empire. In Antioch, among many other non-Christians, the ex-governor Fidustius and the priests Hilarius and Patricius are executed. The philosopher Simonides is burned alive and the philosopher Maximus is decapitated. Tons of books are burnt in the squares of the cities of the Eastern Empire.
372 Valens orders the governor of Minor Asia to exterminate all the Hellenes and all documents of their wisdom.
373 The term ?pagan? (pagani, villagers, equivalent to the modern insult, ?peasants?) is introduced by the Christians to demean non-believers. The non-Christians are called ?loathsome, heretics, stupid and blind?. In another edict, Theodosius calls ?insane? those that do not believe to the Christian God. The Christian priests lead the angry mob against the temple of goddess Demeter in Eleusis and try to lynch the hierophants Nestorius and Priskus.
381 At the Council of Constantinople the 'Holy Spirit' is declared 'Divine' (thus sanctioning a triune god). On 2nd May, Theodosius deprives of all their rights any Christians who return to the pagan religion. Throughout the Eastern Empire the pagan temples and libraries are looted or burned down.
385 to 388 Thousands of innocent pagans from all sides of the empire suffer martyrdom in the notorious death camps of Skythopolis.
389 to 390 Hordes of fanatic Christian hermits from the desert flood the cities of the Middle East and Egypt and destroy statues, altars, libraries and pagan temples, and lynch the pagans. Theophilus, Patriarch of Alexandria, starts heavy persecutions against non-Christian peoples, turning the temple of Dionysius into a Christian church, burning down the Mithraeum of the city, destroying the temple of Zeus and burlesques the pagan priests before they are killed by stoning. The Christian mob profanes the cult images.
392 On 8th November, Theodosius outlaws all the non-Christian rituals and names them ?superstitions of the gentiles? (gentilicia superstitio). New full scale persecutions are ordered against pagans. The Mysteries of Samothrace are ended and the priests slaughtered. In Cyprus the local bishop ?Saint? Epiphanius and ?Saint? Tychon destroy almost all the temples of the island and exterminate thousands of non-Christians.
395 Two new edicts (22nd July and 7th August) cause new persecutions against pagans. Rufinus, the eunuch Prime Minister of Emperor Flavius Arcadius directs the hordes of baptised Goths (led by Alaric) to the country of the Hellenes. Encouraged by Christian monks the barbarians sack and burn many cities (Dion, Delphi, Megara, Corinth, Pheneos, Argos, Nemea, Lycosoura, Sparta, Messene, Phigaleia, Olympia, etc.), slaughter or enslave innumerable gentile Hellenes and burn down all the temples. Among others, they burn down the Eleusinian Sanctuary and burn alive all its priests (including the hierophant of Mithras Hilarius).
399 With a new edict (13th July) Flavius Arcadius orders all remaining pagan temples, mainly in the countryside, be immediately demolished.
401 The Christian mob of Carthage lynches non-Christians and destroys temples and ?idols?. In Gaza too, the local bishop ?Saint? Porphyrius sends his followers to lynch pagans and to demolish the remaining nine still active temples of the city.
405 John Chrysostom sends hordes of grey-dressed monks armed with clubs and iron bars to destroy the ?idols? in all the cities of Palestine.
408 The local bishops lead new heavy persecutions against the pagans and new book burning. The judges that have pity for the pagans are also persecuted. ?Saint? Augustine massacres hundreds of protesting pagans in Calama, Algeria.
409 Another edict orders all methods of divination including astrology to be punished by death.
415 In Alexandria, the Christian mob, urged by the bishop Cyril, attacks a few days before the Judeo-Christian Pascha (Easter) and cuts to pieces the famous and beautiful philosopher Hypatia. The pieces of her body, carried around by the Christian mob through the streets of Alexandria, are finally burned together with her books in a place called Cynaron.
416 The inquisitor Hypatius, alias ?The Sword of God?, exterminates the last pagans of Bithynia. In Constantinople (7th December) all non-Christian army officers, public employees and judges are dismissed.
423 Emperor Theodosius II declares (8th June) that the religion of the pagans is nothing more than ?demon worship? and orders all those who persist in practicing it to be punished by imprisonment and torture.
435 On 14th November, a new edict by Theodosius II orders the death penalty for all ?heretics? and pagans of the empire. Only Judaism is considered a legal non-Christian religion.
448 Theodosius II orders all non-Christian books to be burned.
450 All the temples of Aphrodisias (the City of the Goddess Aphrodite) are demolished and all its libraries burned down. The city is renamed Stavroupolis (City of the Cross).
482 to 488 The majority of the pagans of Minor Asia are exterminated after a desperate revolt against the emperor and the Church.
515 The emperor of Constantinople, Anastasius, orders the massacre of the pagans in the Arabian city Zoara and the demolition of the temple of local god Theandrites.
546 Hundreds of pagans are put to death in Constantinople by the inquisitor Ioannis Asiacus.
556 Justinian orders the notorious inquisitor Amantius to go to Antioch, to find, arrest, torture and exterminate the last non-Christians of the city and burn all the private libraries down.
578 to 582 The Christians torture and crucify Hellenes all around the Eastern Empire, and exterminate the last non-Christians of Heliopolis (Baalbek).
Just be glad the fanatics didn't pass any of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_amendment
Lawrence vs Texas
Anti-sodomy or gay laws are still in the books for alot of states as well.
Religion is fine when practiced in the home or in a setting of like-minded individuals, but has absolutely no place in any government.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Are they? I did not think the Matthew Shepard Act had been made into law yet.
I may be wrong, but I think the bill has been approved by the senate but Bush said he would veto it if it ever made it's way to him.
I seem to recall something being allowed to expire a while back, not sure if anything new came of it since then.
zinfamous
No Lifer
- Jul 12, 2006
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Originally posted by: Platypus
you've got a nice flag on your mailbox
here we go again...now you're going to want to start marrying your mailboxes.
How long before we see people marrying staplers, marrying their hole punchers? Staplers marrying mailboxes? You're dragging our society into the pits of hell!
Nitemare
Lifer
- Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Platypus
you've got a nice flag on your mailbox
here we go again...now you're going to want to start marrying your mailboxes.
How long before we see people marrying staplers, marrying their hole punchers? Staplers marrying mailboxes? You're dragging our society into the pits of hell!
Have you seen my stapler?
I swear that bisch is cheating on me with the pencil sharpener
If even one cent of my tax dollars are spent by the government trying to "fix a homosexuality problem" over the next few years then I am going to be really upset. People's feelings on this matter are trivial in comparison to what we need to be concentrating on right now despite whether you are ok with gays or not.
MmmSkyscraper
Diamond Member
- Jul 6, 2004
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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Because the religious zealots (who generally make Republicans do their work) believe homosexuality is a choice, and an evil one at that.Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Now 6% of the world has down syndrome (DS) yet 8-10% of the world is gay. (Stats I got from other sites so i don;t know how true they are).Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Why is it that gays get more bs from republicans, religious, and other nut jobs yet those with DS get a pass?
And those same religious zealots believe that incredibly evil things like murder, rape, and being gay should be banned by the government, and people who willfully enage in such events are criminals and should be punished.
Well, they're wrong. All they're doing is further dividing the country and alienating those of us who really do have morals and values with this bullshit religious agenda.
I get tired of this, but here we go again.
It is not only the religious and the conservatives who discriminate against gays. Many on the left, especially Communist use false scientific reasoning to justify discrimination against homosexuals. This discrimination still goes on in atheist/communist China, socialist Latin America and in large parts of Russia. The Soviet Union for years killed homosexuals for being genetically inferior as did the Nazi's. (The Nazi's were secularist and based this discrimination on faulty science, not religion.)
Even in America today, there is a large number of people who consider themselves "liberal" who discriminate against gays. The Defense of Marriage act was overwhelmingly supported by people on the left. The White House in 1993 was ordered by President Clinton's staff to wear glove during a visit of Gay Activist. The right does not have a monopoly on discriminating against homosexuals.
I'm personally against hate crime laws. All crime is a hate crime and the laws that protect everyone just need to be enforced equally.
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