Do you consider homosexuality to be a problem that the government needs to address?

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Steve

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: OdiN
I think it's worth some funding to find a cure. But other than that....meh.

A cure for what?

A cure for homosexuality. What else?

Why do we need to cure it? That's like trying to find a cure for being black.

do they have a cure for being Canadian?

I have one in my wallet, it's called a Green Card.

I can't believe I posted in this thread :(
 

Saint Michael

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Except most wouldn't actually die for their liberty... not Libertarians specifically, just people in general, including Libertarians. Everybody's a romantic until reality actually strikes.


<------ Served his country in the first Gulf War in the United States Air Force.

Congratulations. But that's you, and you said "our motto". Which implies everybody else. Hence my statement.
 

hiromizu

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I think they should promote it instead and relieve the stress and oppression homosexual people has suffered throughout history. archive.pst
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Platypus
now we just need fobot's slippery slope argument and we'll have a gay old time.

We already had somebody post a delightful anecdote about monkeys and turtles gettin' it on, isn't that close enough? Or do I have to say FINE! I WANT TO MARRY MY DOG AND MY SISTER AND MY MAILBOX!
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Congratulations. But that's you, and you said "our motto". Which implies everybody else. Hence my statement.


No, I said it is the Libertarian motto. It happens to be a statement from Patrick Henry, and not the national motto. I never implied it was the motto of the whole country.

"Our motto" was in reference to other Libertarians.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
now we just need fobot's slippery slope argument and we'll have a gay old time.

We already had somebody post a delightful anecdote about monkeys and turtles gettin' it on, isn't that close enough? Or do I have to say FINE! I WANT TO MARRY MY DOG AND MY SISTER AND MY MAILBOX!

sigh
 

Saint Michael

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Congratulations. But that's you, and you said "our motto". Which implies everybody else. Hence my statement.


No, I said it is the Libertarian motto. It happens to be a statement from Patrick Henry, and not the national motto. I never implied it was the motto of the whole country.

"Our motto" was in reference to other Libertarians.

By "everybody else" I meant all other Libertarians...
 

KeithTalent

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It's not a problem, so there is nothing to address. To be honest I'm confused by the question. :confused:

If you mean the problem of same-sex marriage not being recognized, then yes, the government should address it.

KT
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Except most wouldn't actually die for their liberty... not Libertarians specifically, just people in general, including Libertarians. Everybody's a romantic until reality actually strikes.

By "everybody else" I meant all other Libertarians...


You lumped everyone in one big group. I bet if you were to do a scientific poll, you would find a majority of the people that served this country are either Libertarian or right of center to Conservative. Just because you might be afraid to die for your country, does not mean the majority are afraid to.
 

Saint Michael

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Except most wouldn't actually die for their liberty... not Libertarians specifically, just people in general, including Libertarians. Everybody's a romantic until reality actually strikes.

By "everybody else" I meant all other Libertarians...


You lumped everyone in one big group. I bet if you were to do a scientific poll, you would find a majority of the people that served this country are either Libertarian or right of center to Conservative. Just because you might be afraid to die for your country, does not mean the majority are afraid to.

Sigh. "everybody else" refers to "all other Libertarians" because you said "our motto" with reference to Libertarians. "just people in general" is a reference to everybody else in a different sense, but that wasn't the reference I was making. So I'll put it all down in unambiguous language:

Most people will not die for their liberty, including most Libertarians. Regardless of whether you can point out an exception, including yourself, I maintain that this generalization holds true.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
now we just need fobot's slippery slope argument and we'll have a gay old time.

We already had somebody post a delightful anecdote about monkeys and turtles gettin' it on, isn't that close enough? Or do I have to say FINE! I WANT TO MARRY MY DOG AND MY SISTER AND MY MAILBOX!

sigh

You do recognize the right of a man to make sweet, sweet love to his mailbox, don't you?
Even if he's a filthy Libertarian?
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
now we just need fobot's slippery slope argument and we'll have a gay old time.

We already had somebody post a delightful anecdote about monkeys and turtles gettin' it on, isn't that close enough? Or do I have to say FINE! I WANT TO MARRY MY DOG AND MY SISTER AND MY MAILBOX!

sigh

You do recognize the right of a man to make sweet, sweet love to his mailbox, don't you?
Even if he's a filthy Libertarian?

Guys I think it's pretty obvious that since both mailboxes aren't in the bible at all and those filthy faggots were that mailbox love should be allowed.. I mean, you can't really argue with God. Furthermore you would never die for your liberty so your opinion is moot on this mailbox issue anyway you sinner.
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
now we just need fobot's slippery slope argument and we'll have a gay old time.

We already had somebody post a delightful anecdote about monkeys and turtles gettin' it on, isn't that close enough? Or do I have to say FINE! I WANT TO MARRY MY DOG AND MY SISTER AND MY MAILBOX!

sigh

You do recognize the right of a man to make sweet, sweet love to his mailbox, don't you?
Even if he's a filthy Libertarian?

So do plastic or metal mailboxes raise your flag?
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Most people will not die for their liberty, including most Libertarians. Regardless of whether you can point out an exception, including yourself, I maintain that this generalization holds true.

I maintain you are wrong and have proved nothing. People in this country will rise to the occasion when they are called upon, as history has shown.

The Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, The Civil War, Pearl Harbor and WWII, and lets not forget 9-11. These events called on ordinary people to sacrifice their lives and they did it without a second thought.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
now we just need fobot's slippery slope argument and we'll have a gay old time.

We already had somebody post a delightful anecdote about monkeys and turtles gettin' it on, isn't that close enough? Or do I have to say FINE! I WANT TO MARRY MY DOG AND MY SISTER AND MY MAILBOX!

sigh

You do recognize the right of a man to make sweet, sweet love to his mailbox, don't you?
Even if he's a filthy Libertarian?

Guys I think it's pretty obvious that since both mailboxes aren't in the bible at all and those filthy faggots were that mailbox love should be allowed.. I mean, you can't really argue with God. Furthermore you would never die for your liberty so your opinion is moot on this mailbox issue anyway you sinner.

Oh, crap, I meant Librarian, sorry, I always get those confused. Yeah, I agree with you.
Except for the mailboxes.
They're hot.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
So do plastic or metal mailboxes raise your flag?

Don't be nasty, plastic mailboxes aren't even real mailboxes. Just because they LOOK like them doesn't mean anything.
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Platypus
now we just need fobot's slippery slope argument and we'll have a gay old time.

We already had somebody post a delightful anecdote about monkeys and turtles gettin' it on, isn't that close enough? Or do I have to say FINE! I WANT TO MARRY MY DOG AND MY SISTER AND MY MAILBOX!

sigh

You do recognize the right of a man to make sweet, sweet love to his mailbox, don't you?
Even if he's a filthy Libertarian?

Guys I think it's pretty obvious that since both mailboxes aren't in the bible at all and those filthy faggots were that mailbox love should be allowed.. I mean, you can't really argue with God. Furthermore you would never die for your liberty so your opinion is moot on this mailbox issue anyway you sinner.

Oh, crap, I meant Librarian, sorry, I always get those confused. Yeah, I agree with you.
Except for the mailboxes.
They're hot.

You can only get aroused with metal mailboxes.. it's your choice if you choose to get aroused around plastic ones and therefore you're choosing sin and going to hell. You make me fucking sick
 

Saint Michael

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Most people will not die for their liberty, including most Libertarians. Regardless of whether you can point out an exception, including yourself, I maintain that this generalization holds true.

I maintain you are wrong and have proved nothing. People in this country will rise to the occasion when they are called upon, as history has shown.

The Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, The Civil War, Pearl Harbor and WWII, and lets not forget 9-11. These events called on ordinary people to sacrifice their lives and they did it without a second thought.

The first bolded statement is possible, the second is improbable, and both are also unprovable. Not to mention that many of the people who served in these conflicts were not people with lofty moral convictions about liberty. Most of the intellectuals espousing the virtues of liberty did not, and in fact have never served. Most of the people who served in early wars and many of them who serve now were poor people who did/do so for economic and social reasons. There are also those who sign up in a nationalistic fervor, but many of them probably would have done so whether they lived in a democracy or in a dictatorship. Nationalism and group-think in general are constants for humanity.

However, I don't mean to denigrate anyone who serves. Rather, I mean to reject rhetoric like "I will die for Liberty", which I consider dishonest when applied to oneself (with a few exceptions), and generally inaccurate when applied to most other people. I think it is a damaging, irrational tool used to incite people. People should put more thought into serving and risking their lives than a knee-jerk response to socially indoctrinated rhetoric like "Give me liberty, or give me death!".
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: ITJunkie
Originally posted by: MrWizzard
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: ducci
Does the government address Down Syndrome?

:confused:

Now 6% of the world has down syndrome (DS) yet 8-10% of the world is gay. (Stats I got from other sites so i don;t know how true they are).

Why is it that gays get more bs from republicans, religious, and other nut jobs yet those with DS get a pass?

Because you don't choose to have down syndrome and you do choose whether or not to have gay sex maybe...

also the government does adress Downs, if you have it you get disability benefits from the government.

That's what I believe, it's a choice that being said I do not think the government has the right to interfere unless they are breaking a law somewhere.

I am stating this putting my moral beliefs aside.

No, you're not. Being gay is not a choice, in my experience. I've seen young male children display feminine traits as toddlers and now that they are grown, have admitted to being gay.

Sometimes it's a choice and sometimes it's not. If it wasn't a choice, there wouldn't be any bisexuals. If it wasn't hereditary somehow, there wouldn't be any total straights or total gays. Why does this make a difference and who really gives a flying fsck? Seriously, I've never understood this it has to be one way or the other argument when it's clearly both.
 

rasczak

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: rasczak
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Answer truthfully now. :D

Seriously, I was thinking about this after that thread on that nutball congresswoman from Oklahoma or where ever the fuck she was from.

Personally, I think politicians should shut the hell up about religion and sexuality. Too often they end up sticking their jackbooted foot in their pie hole anyway either by words or by their actions (tapping foot in the mens room at an airport for example). Homosexuality is not a problem anyone needs to address...especially not our government.

I voted no to the question, but a more serious problem we should vote on is Jules spelling pole correctly :p

it's POLL

:D

unless my meter is broken, it's quite common (and intentional) for people spell poll wrong here.

hehe, that one went right over my head didn't it? :eek: