Do we really need guns?

[Svnla]

This is not a good argument.

Female Homeowner Shoots & Kills Intruder in East Texas = http://www.personaldefenseworld.com...lls-intruder-east-texas/#sthash.IifT0ffA.dpuf

Homeowner - "I don't play...I'm too old for that" = http://www.khou.com/story/news/crim...oots-armed-home-invader-in-pasadena/71110278/

Homeowner Kills Intruder During Attempted Burglary = http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/04/23/arlington-homeowner-shoots-intruder-during-attempted-burglary/

Sheriff: Man who killed would-be home intruder 'acted lawfully' = http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime/2014/12/26/wise-county-fatal-shooting-home-invasion/20910051/

AFTER BEGGING 911 FOR HELP, HOMEOWNER SHOOTS INTRUDER = http://abc11.com/news/after-begging-911-for-help-homeowner-shoots-intruder/282017/

Homeowner shoots at intruder in east Harris County = http://www.click2houston.com/news/b...watch-ch-2-news-today-for-the-latest/32228738

And so much more, much more to list them all.

As I said before, if any of you do not want to have a gun, then don't, let you face those bastards as examples above by yourself. I am sure they would listen to you and be reasonable. <snickering>

 

[Fenixgoon]

What's equally ignorant is claiming anti gun folks are saying that nobody needs to have the ability to defend themselves. But again, gun nutters have never been about honest debate.

But the ability to defend oneself is contingent upon having the same tools everyone else does. Since guns are so prevalent in the US, then to maintain parity with a theoretical assailant means you would require one as well. You don't want to bring a knife to a gunfight.

Very few people are gun mutters, and from what I've seen most people who support/enjoy firearms on AT aren't what I'd consider to be "gun nutters". If we have some doomsday preppers...then yeah, I'd count them

 

[highland145]

What's equally ignorant is claiming anti gun folks are saying that nobody needs to have the ability to defend themselves.

So what are they claiming?

 

[alcoholbob]

OP's post count is pretty epic doe.

 

[MtnMan]

I have a number of loaded and chambered guns in the house. They haven't killed anyone since I brought them home. Good guns!

 

[NoStateofMind]

When confronted with an attacker one must be able to meet or exceed the force that's brought to them. Otherwise, chances are it's game over.

There can be no law against self defense.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I have a number of loaded and chambered guns in the house.

Cougar after your livestock?

 

[Zorkorist]

When confronted with an attacker one must be able to meet or exceed the force that's brought to them. Otherwise, chances are it's game over.

There can be no law against self defense.

Shoot first. Ask questions later.

-John

 

[ivwshane]

]But the ability to defend oneself is contingent upon having the same tools everyone else does. [/b]Since guns are so prevalent in the US, then to maintain parity with a theoretical assailant means you would require one as well. You don't want to bring a knife to a gunfight.

Very few people are gun mutters, and from what I've seen most people who support/enjoy firearms on AT aren't what I'd consider to be "gun nutters". If we have some doomsday preppers...then yeah, I'd count them

What? According to who?

 

[Zorkorist]

I have a number of loaded and chambered guns in the house. They haven't killed anyone since I brought them home. Good guns!

-John

 

[fskimospy]

Female Homeowner Shoots & Kills Intruder in East Texas = http://www.personaldefenseworld.com...lls-intruder-east-texas/#sthash.IifT0ffA.dpuf

Homeowner - "I don't play...I'm too old for that" = http://www.khou.com/story/news/crim...oots-armed-home-invader-in-pasadena/71110278/

Homeowner Kills Intruder During Attempted Burglary = http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/04/23/arlington-homeowner-shoots-intruder-during-attempted-burglary/

Sheriff: Man who killed would-be home intruder 'acted lawfully' = http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime/2014/12/26/wise-county-fatal-shooting-home-invasion/20910051/

AFTER BEGGING 911 FOR HELP, HOMEOWNER SHOOTS INTRUDER = http://abc11.com/news/after-begging-911-for-help-homeowner-shoots-intruder/282017/

Homeowner shoots at intruder in east Harris County = http://www.click2houston.com/news/b...watch-ch-2-news-today-for-the-latest/32228738

And so much more, much more to list them all.

As I said before, if any of you do not want to have a gun, then don't, let you face those bastards as examples above by yourself. I am sure they would listen to you and be reasonable. <snickering>

Do you seriously want me to link some of the thousands of suicides and mistaken shootings that happen?

 

[ivwshane]

So what are they claiming?

Unless you can show me a source for the claim that anti gun folks don't think people should be able to defend themselves, the arguement is bullshit. Not having a gun doesn't make you defenseless.

 

[Zorkorist]

Do you seriously want me to link some of the thousands of suicides and mistaken shootings that happen?

What part of the 2nd amendment, the right to "keep and bear arms" do you not understand?

-John

 

[ivwshane]

What part of the 2nd amendment, the right to "keep and bear arms" do you not understand?

-John

What part of the conversation are you having trouble following?

Perhaps you and your new friend can have a few drinks and play with each other's guns?

 

[Darwin333]

This is not a good argument.

Perhaps not, mine was though.

 

[piasabird]

The right to defend yourself is a natural right. When Russia is attacking your country it is too late to decide you need a firearm. Keep that in mind. You may think it will never happen to you. It is like the Riot in Ferguson, MO. Don't expect the police to protect your store from being burned down. Even the Governor did not care if the town went up in smoke.

 

[ivwshane]

The right to defend yourself is a natural right. When Russia is attacking your country it is too late to decide you need a firearm. Keep that in mind. You may think it will never happen to you. It is like the Riot in Ferguson, MO. Don't expect the police to protect your store from being burned down. Even the Governor did not care if the town went up in smoke.

The discussion is about the "need" for guns, the right to defend yourself is irrelevant to the discussion as that right doesn't change based on whether or not you have a gun.

 

[Zorkorist]

Deffinetly need a gun.

-Johm

 

[Zorkorist]

May I have two?

I need two.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Are they very expensive?

I'd like one for each room, my car, and office at work.

-John

 

[Nebor]

The discussion is about the "need" for guns, the right to defend yourself is irrelevant to the discussion as that right doesn't change based on whether or not you have a gun.

How do you propose someone without a gun defends themselves from someone with a gun?

 

[ivwshane]

How do you propose someone without a gun defends themselves from someone with a gun?

You can ask this woman:

http://wreg.com/2014/03/18/double-shooting-in-whitehaven/

I mean, we all know you'd shit yourself if someone pulled a gun on you and you can't possibly imagine someone defending themselves but that doesn't mean it can't happen. There are also plenty of other weapons people can and do use everyday to defend themselves like mace, knives.

But you know what the number one way people can protect themselves? By avoiding putting themselves in bad situations in the first place, sure that's not always possible but that doesn't make it not smart

 

[Victorian Gray]

How do you propose someone without a gun defends themselves from someone with a gun?

Not sure that I'd try this but you did ask:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnlLeWLS5Iw

 

[mu11et]

Not sure that I'd try this but you did ask:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnlLeWLS5Iw

Why rely on luck? I give the guy credit though he did the best he could with what he had.

 

[Svnla]

Do you seriously want me to link some of the thousands of suicides and mistaken shootings that happen?

Ok, let say there are no guns, can people still kill themselves? Yup. Thousands and thousands.

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/...-lbj-freeway-after-argument-with-mother.html/

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=34495527

http://cliffviewpilot.com/13th-gwb-suicide-of-year-a-former-college-of-new-jersey-assistant-provost/

http://nypost.com/2015/05/29/man-fatally-jumps-off-nyc-bridge/

Heck, even in china, where guns are banned, people still killed themselves by jumping off buildings, remember those multiple jumping off incidents at Foxconn factory buildings? Even in Thailand, a woman killed herself by jumping into a pond full of alligators in a zoo. In Japan, one of the safest countries on Earth, a few of the crazies of a cult killed themselves and scores of others in a subway just a few years ago by chemical fume, 9/11 terrorists had no gun but were able to kill several thousands. Shall we ban tall buildings, bridges, zoos, subways, airplanes?

Mistaken shootings such as kids killed themselves were due to irresponsible gun owners did not secure their guns safely or gun owner(s) violated the golden rules of gun ownership (do not aim at places/people that you do not want to shoot/keep finger off trigger at all time until you are ready to shoot safely).

My points? Million and million of responsible gun owners should not pay the penalties for idiots and you can not ban or legislate stupid and crazy.