Do we really need guns?

[Mxylplyx]

You don't seem to understand that we like the cycle. We live by the gun.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a troll post.

 

[Nebor]

Which is fine if guns didn't affect people who don't live by the gun but they do.

That's their choice.

 

[Svnla]

I hate to break it to you, but your Glock 33 in your waistband makes you and your family CONSIDERABLY more likely to be the victims of a violent death. I know, I know. You and every other gun owner thinks the statistics somehow don't apply to you because you are a responsible gun owner. Every incident you see on the news of a kid killing themselves with daddy's gun was someone who thought themselves a responsible gun owner, until they weren't.

Funny how you forgot to mention about the countless times of how good folks with guns were able to prevent criminals to attack them or their stores/homes such as the Rodney King riot, Katrina, Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. while store owners without guns watched helplessly because the cops were no where to be found.

I rather have it and never need to use it than need it and not have it. Don't want to have gun(s)? Knock yourself out but do not demand that I and million and million of responsible gun owners to give up our guns.

 

[Fenixgoon]

if we didn't have guns, we'd have something else. to say that no one needs to have the ability to defend themselves is to be completely ignorant of reality.

 

[rudder]

This country would be better off, and the murder rate would drop DRASTICALLY if guns simply disappeared from this country. If it were that simple I would fully support pressing the magic button to make them all go away. There is no cost/benefit analysis that could possibly support the claim that firearms are a net benefit to our society, with the real human costs in blood far outweighing any utility value or vague notion of "freedom" that they offer us.

Now obviously there is no magic button, but a multi-decade effort to decrease firearm ownership in this country would be a worthy goal, starting with the serious curtailment in the manufacture of new firearms and restrictions on the supply of ammunition, perhaps followed by a long running gun buyback program.

Yeah yeah, I know. This makes me a freedom hating communist, even though I personally own 4 guns. I don't suffer the cognitive dissonance about the true societal value of guns like many gun nuts do.

So there are ~34,000 gun deaths per year in the U.S. The majority of those are suicides. Not counting suicides there are under ~10,000 gun deaths per year. Of those the majority are drug and gang related.

So you are telling me that if guns were suddenly gone that people would no longer feel the urge to commit suicide? Or that gangs and criminals would not feel the need to defend drug turf or commit armed robbery? Would all the violence in Chicago suddenly end?

 

[ivwshane]

if we didn't have guns, we'd have something else. to say that no one needs to have the ability to defend themselves is to be completely ignorant of reality.

What's equally ignorant is claiming anti gun folks are saying that nobody needs to have the ability to defend themselves. But again, gun nutters have never been about honest debate.

 

[ivwshane]

So there are ~34,000 gun deaths per year in the U.S. The majority of those are suicides. Not counting suicides there are under ~10,000 gun deaths per year. Of those the majority are drug and gang related.

So you are telling me that if guns were suddenly gone that people would no longer feel the urge to commit suicide? Or that gangs and criminals would not feel the need to defend drug turf or commit armed robbery? Would all the violence in Chicago suddenly end?

If you were being attacked which weapon would you prefer to face, a gun or any other weapon?

If you wanted to commit suicide which method do you think gives you the best chance of succeeding?

You can claim the action/violence would all be the same but you couldn't claim the results would be the same.

 

[SparkyJJO]

So there are ~34,000 gun deaths per year in the U.S. The majority of those are suicides. Not counting suicides there are under ~10,000 gun deaths per year. Of those the majority are drug and gang related.

So you are telling me that if guns were suddenly gone that people would no longer feel the urge to commit suicide? Or that gangs and criminals would not feel the need to defend drug turf or commit armed robbery? Would all the violence in Chicago suddenly end?

Isn't Chicago pretty tight fisted about guns anyway? Doesn't seem to work too well.

To the OP and others like him:
Guns are not the problem. Evil people are the problem.

/thread

 

[ivwshane]

Isn't Chicago pretty tight fisted about guns anyway? Doesn't seem to work too well.

To the OP and others like him:
Guns are not the problem. Evil people are the problem.

/thread

Yes and as has already been covered, the surrounding areas/states don't have the same gun rules which makes Chicago's rules that much less effective.

 

[glenn1]

Yes and as has already been covered, the surrounding areas/states don't have the same gun rules which makes Chicago's rules that much less effective.

Maybe you can ban cars and public transportation next so those mean ol' people can't get to the guns and frighten you.

 

[ivwshane]

Maybe you can ban cars and public transportation next so those mean ol' people can't get to the guns and frighten you.

Or maybe we can have better rules and regulations for guns like we do for cars!

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Or maybe we can have better rules and regulations for guns like we do for cars!

All those rules and regs for cars and they still kill as many as guns.

 

[ivwshane]

All those rules and regs for cars and they still kill as many as guns.

God you guys are fucking dumb!

Here's a fun fact: automobile related deaths have been steadily declining for years! Must be all those regulations they have been getting rid of./s

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

 

[Venix]

God you guys are fucking dumb!

Here's a fun fact: automobile related deaths have been steadily declining for years! Must be all those regulations they have been getting rid of./s

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

Similarly, firearm-related violent crime has dropped 75% since 1993, and firearm homicides 50%. Over that same period, gun laws have become significantly less strict, concealed/open carry much more common, and the total number of privately-owned firearms has more than doubled.

 

[fskimospy]

Similarly, firearm-related violent crime has dropped 75% since 1993, and firearm homicides 50%. Over that same period, gun laws have become significantly less strict, concealed/open carry much more common, and the total number of privately-owned firearms has more than doubled.

Don't forget to mention the percentage of Americans owning guns has also steadily declined.

 

[MtnMan]

Don't forget to mention the percentage of Americans owning guns has also steadily declined.

The percentage of criminals with guns is growing at alarming rates, a reason I am always armed.

 

[ivwshane]

The percentage of criminals with guns is growing at alarming rates, a reason I am always armed.

Do you have a source for that?

 

[ivwshane]

Similarly, firearm-related violent crime has dropped 75% since 1993, and firearm homicides 50%. Over that same period, gun laws have become significantly less strict, concealed/open carry much more common, and the total number of privately-owned firearms has more than doubled.

Crime in general has declined during that period however if we look at gun related crime over a longer period of time you'll see that the overall trend is flat (with it peaking in the mid 90's and dropping after the assault weapons ban). Gun regulations during either time period have been all over the place. It would be pretty hard to conclude one way or another if more or less regulations was the cause of the decline.

 

[Subyman]

My guns haven't killed anyone lately. I keep them under lock and key though so they can't get out.

 

[fskimospy]

My guns haven't killed anyone lately. I keep them under lock and key though so they can't get out.

This is not a good argument.

 

[highland145]

I leave one of mine on my desk. I assume it hasn't sneaked out of the mail slot and killed people.

 

[mu11et]

Georgia mom shoots home intruder in the face five times with a .38-caliber revolver

Woman Shot Intruder 9 Times In Self Defense

Man Shoots, Kills Alleged Home Invader to Save Woman, Baby

Okla. Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder: 911 Operators Say It's OK to Shoot

Blanchard woman shoots, kills intruder

Mom Shoots Intruder Five Times Days After Single Mom Kills Burglar To Protect Her Infant

Attempted Intruder Shot Dead By 17-Year-Old In Hominy, Officials Say

Texas Woman Shoots Home Intruder After he Attacks her Husbandhttp://lastresistance.com/11771/texas-woman-shoots-home-intruder-after-he-attacks-her-husband/

 

[highland145]

That 1st one is crazy. Buy better ammo or something.


Here's a bunch for you.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen

 

[mu11et]

Nice!!

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yes, we need guns. Bad guys will have them. Watch this, just a couple minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9eCrs_MXxo&t=1m14s