Do non-Catholics respect the pope?

[GroundZero]

pull his feeding tube and get this over with

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: GroundZero
pull his feeding tube and get this over with

Way to throw gas on the fire while complaining about it not going out.

 

[GroundZero]

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: GroundZero
pull his feeding tube and get this over with

Way to throw gas on the fire while complaining about it not going out.

FLAME ON!

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Lech Walesa?

The Catholic Church supported the movement, and in January 1981 Walesa was cordially received by Pope John Paul II in the Vatican. Walesa himself has always regarded his Catholicism as a source of strength and inspiration.

http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1983/walesa-bio.html

there you go....the pope, through the Catholic Church, both overtly and covertly supported Walsea, an anti-communist


what more do you want?

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: GroundZero

Originally posted by: Literati

Originally posted by: GroundZero
pull his feeding tube and get this over with

Way to throw gas on the fire while complaining about it not going out.

FLAME ON!

I'll see your flame with an ignorant rebuttal and I'll raise you an ad hominem arguement!

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: MedicBob
He is still a human and I respect him for trying to do what he believes in.

ditto, and I'm not christian

 

[dug777]

if you rephrase the thread;

'Do a$$holes not respect the pope'

then we have a clear answer of 'no they do not'

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: beer
I was sitting over my girlfriend's last night, and I was reading about the pope's condition. I'm not a practicing Catholic, and I don't agree with the Pope's view on things such as birth control/Terry Shaivo/abortion/gay marriage, but I still have a great deal of respect for someone who has always promoted peace and sought to heal rifts with the Jews and eastern christianity. So, it makes me very sad to see him in this state. My girlfriend, on the other hand, said she doesn't give two sh!ts about him, since he hasn't exactly had an affect on her life, and since she isn't catholic it doesn't really matter to her. I got mad at her for saying that, but what is more common, my view or her view, among noncatholics?

I dont give a damn about the pope. His views and practices in peace are outweighed by his worthless bigotry.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I respect him and im protestant, cant say the same for some of the past popes tho.

 

[Aharami]

im a non-practicing Hindu. and I do respect him. i understand that this is getting such wide press coverage because this is a HUGE event for the catholics who make up such a large portion of the world. So i have no problem with this getting so much news coverage (dont feel the same way at all about Terri Schivo)

 

[DanTMWTMP]

I'm not religious, but you can't forget his efforts for peace. I don't agree with him in a lot of views, but he was never a figure of contravesy.

I thought he had a bit of humor in during the time when Pokemon was a hit and he said Pokemon's ok. hehe.

RIP

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing

Originally posted by: Ornery
Lech Walesa?

The Catholic Church supported the movement, and in January 1981 Walesa was cordially received by Pope John Paul II in the Vatican. Walesa himself has always regarded his Catholicism as a source of strength and inspiration.

http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1983/walesa-bio.html

there you go....the pope, through the Catholic Church, both overtly and covertly supported Walsea, an anti-communist

what more do you want?

:roll:

Good Lord. Could you PLEASE tell me who didn't want to get rid of Communism in Poland, short of high level Soviets?

The Polish people, hungry for justice, preferred "cowboys" over Communists.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Lech Walesa?

Close second, but without the Pope and his support he would have ended up no different than Alexander Dubcek.

 

[Ornery]

:roll:

Good Lord. Could you PLEASE tell me who didn't want to get rid of Communism in Poland, short of high level Soviets?

The Polish people, hungry for justice, preferred "cowboys" over Communists.

• President Ronald Reagan must have realized what remarkable changes he brought to Poland, and indeed the rest of the world. And I hope he felt gratified. He should have.

 

[Vic]

I'm not Catholic, and I had a great deal of respect for John Paul II. He was a great man who stuck by his righteous convictions.

 

[Miramonti]

I would have like to see him come down much harder on his church's handling of sexual assault complaints and known sex offenders. There seemed to be a lack of 'righteous anger' that was shameful imo, and instead seemed too protective of his own.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Ornery
:roll:

Good Lord. Could you PLEASE tell me who didn't want to get rid of Communism in Poland, short of high level Soviets?

The Polish people, hungry for justice, preferred "cowboys" over Communists.

• President Ronald Reagan must have realized what remarkable changes he brought to Poland, and indeed the rest of the world. And I hope he felt gratified. He should have.

from your own link.
Now, from the perspective of our time, it is obvious that like the pieces of a global chain of events, Ronald Reagan, John Paul II, Margaret Thatcher and even Mikhail Gorbachev helped bring about this new age in Europe.

Of those principle players the pope was the first to encourage and support the poeple, years before Reagan even came to power. Not only was he the first and most fervent supporter, being Polish and living in Poland meant that Poles always respected and listened to him more than Reagan/Thatcher/whomever.

 

[b0mbrman]

I respect him. I respect all peaceful religious leaders

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't particularly care. He did some very good things, and some things I regard as bad. Ultimately, his agenda frequently departed from my own priorities, and did as much harm as good IMO. I wished him no ill will, but I can't say his death is important to me.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: Martin

from your own link.
Now, from the perspective of our time, it is obvious that like the pieces of a global chain of events, Ronald Reagan, John Paul II, Margaret Thatcher and even Mikhail Gorbachev helped bring about this new age in Europe.

Of those principle players the pope was the first to encourage and support the poeple, years before Reagan even came to power. Not only was he the first and most fervent supporter, being Polish and living in Poland meant that Poles always respected and listened to him more than Reagan/Thatcher/whomever.

NOW, would you PLEASE tell me who wasn't encouraging them to shed Communism? You think the Pope's wishes were unique? Where does the organization of independent trade unions fall on your timeline, and list of importance?

 

[housecat]

Originally posted by: beer
I was sitting over my girlfriend's last night, and I was reading about the pope's condition. I'm not a practicing Catholic, and I don't agree with the Pope's view on things such as birth control/Terry Shaivo/abortion/gay marriage, but I still have a great deal of respect for someone who has always promoted peace and sought to heal rifts with the Jews and eastern christianity. So, it makes me very sad to see him in this state. My girlfriend, on the other hand, said she doesn't give two sh!ts about him, since he hasn't exactly had an affect on her life, and since she isn't catholic it doesn't really matter to her. I got mad at her for saying that, but what is more common, my view or her view, among noncatholics?

You have the educated, mature view.. not based on emotion.

She has the uneducated, immature view.. and it shows her lack of life experience.

ps. I'm noncatholic, and i have your view. i believe its more popular by far.
you'd have to be a real f*g to dislike the pope.. theres no reason too other than because you an outcast of society.
he was a good man, and did good things.. period.

only a simpleton retard would hate a man like that.


remember: catholics touch little boys. muslims cut peoples heads off.
choose wisely who you hate.

 

[Sentinel]

to me the pope is a great leader like the president, but he isn't more holy than anyone who is religious just because he has that title. perhaps his strong belief in God makes him more holy, but not because he has a pope in front of his name.

 

[thirdlegstump]

To be honest I really have no idea who the pope is and what he does. All I see is a really old religious dude in a hat that rarely speaks.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: Martin

from your own link.
Now, from the perspective of our time, it is obvious that like the pieces of a global chain of events, Ronald Reagan, John Paul II, Margaret Thatcher and even Mikhail Gorbachev helped bring about this new age in Europe.

Of those principle players the pope was the first to encourage and support the poeple, years before Reagan even came to power. Not only was he the first and most fervent supporter, being Polish and living in Poland meant that Poles always respected and listened to him more than Reagan/Thatcher/whomever.

NOW, would you PLEASE tell me who wasn't encouraging them to shed Communism? You think the Pope's wishes were unique? Where does the organization of independent trade unions fall on your timeline, and list of importance?

Please don't use strawman arguments. If you go back to my original post, you will see I said "more than any other SINGLE person". Never have I suggested that his influence is greater than the sum of the influences of millions of others. In fact, you will never see me claim so for anything, as I happen to be a fan of Tolstoy's view of history. However as far as individual contributions to this movement go, I think JP's is the greatest.

You asked for his achievements and influences, I think (as far as ending communism goes) I have presented a good picture of what he did and why I (a person that dislikes religion believes in no god and is socially progressive) liked and respected the man.

 

[Ornery]

I have presented a good picture of what he did and why...

He did nothing anybody else wasn't already doing. It was the crumbling of the Soviet government that finally gave them a chance. Now, if you want to believe he had a big hand in that, then I have a bridge to sell ya!

From what I've seen, his list of achievements include, heading a miserable religion, and trotting around the world preaching about it. Gee, that's swell! :roll: